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Kap to Kings AJ to Wild

Created by: TML1991
Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 17, 2020
Published: Aug. 19, 2020
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My thought process

kap is easily worth a mid to late first. toss in roy/frk as depth pieces, and it downgrades the pick to a 2nd, probably the later of VGK and VAN (used VGK because they were higher ranked)

donato / AJ would be a fair trade 1 for 1. Bracco's rights might get the 1 year salary retention

Demelo / Dermott / Mikheyev contracts seem pretty consistent with everyone else on this site.

Leafs end up with decent depth on the left (Mo, Muzz, sandin) and right side (Demelo, holl, roy, lily), with dermott being able to flip sides as needed.
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  1. Frk, Martin
  2. Roy, Matt
  3. 2020 2nd round pick (VGK)
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Aug. 19, 2020 at 12:04 p.m.
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Kings fans would probs make an argument that Roy is better than a depth piece

i think the 2nd gets removed
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Aug. 19, 2020 at 12:05 p.m.
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Problem is we already have too many wings, especially left shot wings. If we trade Donato it will most likely be either in a package for a center or for picks so we don't have to scratch him.
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Aug. 19, 2020 at 12:07 p.m.
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Parise, Fiala, Zuccarello, Foligno, Greenway and apparently Kaprizov plays LW.

Not really sure AJ to Minny makes much sense.
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Aug. 19, 2020 at 12:07 p.m.
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1) Bracco is maybe worth a 6th round pick and definitely not worth one penny of retention. 2) IF the Wild needed Johnsson, they can just keep Donato and not take on more cap. 3) please stop this kind of crud and tell all your friends to stop too! My head is getting extremely sore from beating it against a brick wall...
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Aug. 19, 2020 at 12:09 p.m.
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Quoting: BigOaf69
Kings fans would probs make an argument that Roy is better than a depth piece

i think the 2nd gets removed


Im no kings fan but from researching Roy its clear this kid is better than a depth piece. Roy is showing signs of becoming a dangerous young top 4 rhd. He was a late bloomer but at 700k and having defensive skills on par with Pesce this kid is a bargain for the leafs. His production is pretty good to. A 1 for 1 would probs be what were looking at as there is enormous potential for both sides. In general Walker or Roy are probs on Dubas radar as both have enormous potential.
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Aug. 19, 2020 at 12:09 p.m.
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So trade Kapanen for 2 healthy scratches and a prospect that won't even sniff the league for at least 3 years? .. nah.

I think others areas can be addressed by moving Johnsson. Donato was too inconsistent this year to really aim for him, I don't think they'll be much interest there for Toronto.

Demelo deal is decent, though he likely gets either more money or more term from someone else.

I wouldn't give that much to Dermott. Been way too inconsistent and injury prone since he made the league full time. I wouldn't give him much more than what Jacob Larsson signed for in Anaheim ($1.2M x 2 years). Seems like a good comparable.

I don't understand why so many people overpay Mikheyev on this site. He played 39 games which he was up and down, then suffered a serious season ending injury which had some people thinking he might not ever play in the NHL again, comes back for 5 play in games and does nothing. Seems incredibly dumb to give him anything that they can't bury fully in the AHL if they need to. Give him a 1 year x $1M show me deal and see what he can do if he's fully healthy for a season
Aug. 19, 2020 at 12:12 p.m.
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Quoting: TanSor
Problem is we already have too many wings, especially left shot wings. If we trade Donato it will most likely be either in a package for a center or for picks so we don't have to scratch him.


fair enough. value wise i think it makes sense, but yeah not every trade proposed on here is going to make sense for each team's fit
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Aug. 19, 2020 at 12:12 p.m.
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Im no kings fan but from researching Roy its clear this kid is better than a depth piece. Roy is showing signs of becoming a dangerous young top 4 rhd. He was a late bloomer but at 700k and having defensive skills on par with Pesce this kid is a bargain for the leafs. His production is pretty good to. A 1 for 1 would probs be what were looking at as there is enormous potential for both sides. In general Walker or Roy are probs on Dubas radar as both have enormous potential.


i agree i just wanted to be nice about it lol, Frk would be a nice addition to the Leafs 2nd PP Unit he can really shoot the puck
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Aug. 19, 2020 at 12:13 p.m.
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The reason that you're trading for Matt Roy is that he's an on-ice improvement on Justin Holl at less than half the cost and he saves you $2.5 million in cap space. Moreover, trading him away will create a hole that Los Angeles will just have to go out and fill with a free-agent RD. So if the Kings trade him for Kapanen at all, that will be all you get.

I think that DeMelo will get at least $3.5 million for 4 years or more. It will be very interesting to see what the final amount (and destination) is.
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Aug. 19, 2020 at 12:14 p.m.
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i agree i just wanted to be nice about it lol, Frk would be a nice addition to the Leafs 2nd PP Unit he can really shoot the puck


If kings fans agree the value is fair im all for it. But the consensus with them seems to be a 1 for 1.
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Aug. 19, 2020 at 12:14 p.m.
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Quoting: MNBassman
1) Bracco is maybe worth a 6th round pick and definitely not worth one penny of retention. 2) IF the Wild needed Johnsson, they can just keep Donato and not take on more cap. 3) please stop this kind of crud and tell all your friends to stop too! My head is getting extremely sore from beating it against a brick wall...


relax mate, it's an armchair gm post.

oh and AJ > Donato which is why 1 for 1 makes sense from a value perspective given cap hits.

but no need to hit yourself in the head again if you disagree
Aug. 19, 2020 at 12:15 p.m.
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The reason that you're trading for Matt Roy is that he's an on-ice improvement on Justin Holl at less than half the cost and he saves you $2.5 million in cap space. Moreover, trading him away will create a hole that Los Angeles will just have to go out and fill with a free-agent RD. So if the Kings trade him for Kapanen at all, that will be all you get.

I think that DeMelo will get at least $3.5 million for 4 years or more. It will be very interesting to see what the final amount (and destination) is.


In general if Leafs get Roy theres no need for Demelo. Muzzin and Holl have taken over as the top pairing and it works as long as Muzzin stays healthy. Rielly is now on the 2nd pairing and Roy would be the ideal fit for him as one plays well in the offensive zone and the other in the defesive zone. Dermott can move to RD and be paired with Lehtonen and we can see

Muzzin-Holl
Rielly-Roy
Lehtonen-Dermott
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Aug. 19, 2020 at 12:17 p.m.
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Quoting: Barilko14
Parise, Fiala, Zuccarello, Foligno, Greenway and apparently Kaprizov plays LW.

Not really sure AJ to Minny makes much sense.


Fiala is actually a RW, but they're still deep at LW as you pointed out. They also may need the cap space next summer to extend Fiala, Kaprizov, and hopefully a top 6 center that they badly need.
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Aug. 19, 2020 at 12:20 p.m.
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In general if Leafs get Roy theres no need for Demelo. Muzzin and Holl have taken over as the top pairing and it works as long as Muzzin stays healthy. Rielly is now on the 2nd pairing and Roy would be the ideal fit for him as one plays well in the offensive zone and the other in the defesive zone. Dermott can move to RD and be paired with Lehtonen and we can see

Muzzin-Holl
Rielly-Roy
Lehtonen-Dermott


I'm glad you noted that Roy and Holl had virtually identical records over the full season. One of your hilariously and habitually ignorant colleagues referred to him as a "healthy scratch" -- after he played in all 70 games!
Aug. 19, 2020 at 12:23 p.m.
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oh and AJ > Donato which is why 1 for 1 makes sense from a value perspective given cap hits


Donato had 14 goals mostly playing 4th line minutes. Johnsson had 8 playing mostly 3rd line minutes so not sure I'd agree with AJ being better especially at roughly twice the cap hit. I get that Johnsson was injured, so if you add on 20 games played and adjust his goals for that place, you're still short by 2.
Aug. 19, 2020 at 12:25 p.m.
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Quoting: BigOaf69
Kings fans would probs make an argument that Roy is better than a depth piece

i think the 2nd gets removed


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In general if Leafs get Roy theres no need for Demelo. Muzzin and Holl have taken over as the top pairing and it works as long as Muzzin stays healthy. Rielly is now on the 2nd pairing and Roy would be the ideal fit for him as one plays well in the offensive zone and the other in the defesive zone. Dermott can move to RD and be paired with Lehtonen and we can see

Muzzin-Holl
Rielly-Roy
Lehtonen-Dermott


yeah i think LA and toronto are both dealing from positions of strength here. LA is pretty set on the right side with Doughty / Walker with other guys like macdermid, durzi, and some other prospects in the wings, while kap is blocked by willy / marner. Roy is a bit older than kap, and kap has a bit longer of a trackrecord with more pedigree, i dont have an issue downgrading the 2nd, but definitely think LA adds in a roy / kap swap for sure.

I dont mind the D set up without demelo either, and gives lehtonen a spot in the line up.
Aug. 19, 2020 at 12:25 p.m.
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I'm glad you noted that Roy and Holl had virtually identical records over the full season. One of your hilariously and habitually ignorant colleagues referred to him as a "healthy scratch" -- after he played in all 70 games!


Yeah i never understood that. Demelo is good but honestly Roy saves cap, allows us to keep Johnsson and then leave him for Seattle. With the 3.4 mill in cap savings leafs can extend, Roy and Hyman and decide on Freddie or investing in a new goalie.
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Aug. 19, 2020 at 12:28 p.m.
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relax mate, it's an armchair gm post.

oh and AJ > Donato which is why 1 for 1 makes sense from a value perspective given cap hits.

but no need to hit yourself in the head again if you disagree


Im not hitting my head against a brick wall because of THIS post...it’s this post PLUS the 6000 other posts sending Johnsson, a player the Wild have no want or need for, to Minnesota... Enough!
Aug. 19, 2020 at 12:29 p.m.
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relax mate, it's an armchair gm post.

oh and AJ > Donato which is why 1 for 1 makes sense from a value perspective given cap hits.

but no need to hit yourself in the head again if you disagree


P.S. I’m sorry I blew up.
Aug. 19, 2020 at 12:36 p.m.
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Nope from the Kings.
Aug. 19, 2020 at 12:41 p.m.
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1) Bracco is maybe worth a 6th round pick and definitely not worth one penny of retention. 2) IF the Wild needed Johnsson, they can just keep Donato and not take on more cap. 3) please stop this kind of crud and tell all your friends to stop too! My head is getting extremely sore from beating it against a brick wall...


Sorry Bassman that you are inflicting some imposed injuries. Although, I am not a not inflicted head injuries on myself, I have writers cramp in my right hand when I comment that Bracco has no value in an NHL trade. Still many think he is the deciding factor in a Leaf deal. Also Johnsson's trade value is minuscule, especially if the Leafs expect no cap or minimum cap back in a trade. Happy fishing.
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