youre gonna have to give something good for Roy

3,75M on third pair.......kick in Sandin ( now when they burned his year for nothing ) and Lehtonen for 1,7M intotal and you wont be forced to play 3,04 GAA and 91,4% Georgiev as part of tandem ( Andersen went from 2,32 GAA and 92,0% to 2,77 GAA and 91,5% since he met infamous TML Defence policy, imagine what it will do to Georgiev )

I was working on same build earlier today at my work, but decided theres no point in hitting that PUBLISH button ( instead good C that you brought to 3rd Line I have Murphy on 2nd Pair and Sandin + Roy on 3rd and ofc keeping Andersen )

I think the difference between Andersen and Georgiev in age hopefully covers up any shortcomings this version of the D core may have.

Overall I don't mind this but think abit more needs to be added to the Georgiev trade. Also considering injuries will probably happen, having Lehtonen and Sandin ready to step in are going to be good options.

Its Goalies, its always a gamble ( believe me, i know it from first hand ) and as i said before i met like 5000 of them running to be the best, 4997 ended washing dishes in local restaurant.

And while talking about gamble, i dare to bet Andersen behind Tricksters D will go back to his 2,4 GAA and 92,0% for next three years, not sure if Georgiev could do that, from what ive seen hes just another G.Sparks....ruling AHL but not enough "juice" to play with big bois. Remember me preaching Campbell over DeSmith and Georgiev ? well at least here Dubarelli didnt disappoint me.....

I don't like that Andersen is hitting 30 now. You know what they say about aging goalies right? Tends not to end well. I really don't want to sign 30 years old Andersen to any extension. Too much mileage, and the injuries list is there too.

Don't get me wrong, Andersen over the course of his tenure with the Leafs played extremely well and I'm appreciative but it's time to move on.

Calgary says no

Montour is worth more than Kerfoot, Toronto adds a decent pick to that deal.

The 3 way trade was made by Sabres fan.
It's good idea, all teams get something they need.

I feel Sandin needs to add size right now, yes the year is burned but only happened cause of the injuries.
I am okay with letting him stay with Marlies even though the year is burned.

Lehtonen can be the 1st guy called up in case of injuries.

What I am coming with terms is that we need better defensive guys, I really like Holl but tbh hes 3rd pair guy and only used as 2nd pair because that's all we had.


My intent here was to sign Pietrangelo and add another RD.
We will have to move on from Andersen anyway, I dont see the Leafs improving over after trading the likes of Marner or Nylander.

I had come up with another trade that I wanted to bounce off of someone.
Please tell me what you think.

To Devils =
Marner
Rights to Kokkonen
2021 3rd rounder

To Leafs =
Palmieri
Severson
Zacha
2020 Arizona 1st rounder

Is it enough to both teams? Need to add? Bad trade?

Picks and cap space to a team that is retooling is perfect IMO.
Roy is 3rd pair on Kings right now.

I hear you but are the goalies the year later better or worse?
And are they doable cap wise?

I want to hear your plan on goaltending past Andersen's current deal.

If we keep Andersen, one of the top4 will have to go, no?

I feel Flames will roll it back with keeping Gaudreau and Monahan, they need a RW and a goalie.
This fills needs.

Value wise =

Andersen = 2x 2nd rounders
Kapanen = Dube and the 3rd rounder


Maybe change 3rd to be conditional on Andersen resigning with Flames.

Sabres came up with this, not me.
And I like it as is.

@jamiepo and @palhal

Mind if I ask you guys to weigh in on this?

Very few people have come up with plans in goaltending beyond Andersen's current deal. The biggest issue with goaltending is that it's a very volatile position.

That's why giving up too much value for a goalie is just generally bad business. I'd even say to lower the picks for Andersen for this very reason.

Thing is Andersen is only A-level goalie TML landed since Curtis & Belfour era and yes, i would say those age well, check Crawford, Lundqvist ( tho Andersen floats in the middle of the pool of them ), A-level Gs start to decline from 34 on i would say. As i said before, infamous TML D actually made him look average due stats ( something else is eye-test ) and that could lower his price to 4 x 6,5M i would guess. With the D you set, he would be on his pre-TML stats and also now when he finally got a talented backup, no more 69 Games will be needed for him, so he could enter Play-offs rested.




Damn, that Covid flat cap situation cant last for years, right ?

I’d be a little surprised if that’s all Buffalo gets in return, especially an in division trade. Montour has been talked about as possibly enough to get the Sabres Alex Tuch, who is twice the player Kerfoot is.

There is very little doubt that Andersen is a starter in the league and he is good.
Playing with the Leafs, with their D setup has manipulated his his value.

Well it is certainly a web of trades.

My personal opinion is that a petro signing would be bad news in a few years... if not right away.

You have down graded quite a few pisition s to shoehorn this in.

Why not make a better offer for Roy? Holl and muzzin are fine together if Roy can really be that partner for Rielly why not give the proper package?

Well cap is set for 81.5 for the next 2 seasons and 82.5 million after that.

I dont see how 6.5 million will fit in this team.
Would love to see your image of this.

No chance yo get Tuch for Montour IMO.
Knights are also gonna look to resign Lehner.

My thoughts are that yes Pietrangelo will decline at the end of this deal but it might be worth it short term.

I dont feel I down grades TBH, I looked for guys that could fit cap wise and could fit those roles.

You think I'm under paying for Roy? What needs to be added?

so 81,5M for 2020 / 2021 and 2021 / 2022...despite Seattle Expansion Draft ? Well in that case not just Andersen, also Pietrangelo nor Reilly shouldnt be a thing. Dubarellis Premium Contracts ( aka overpayment aka New Era Contracts called by some homers ) were already dooming the franchise, with those facts about Cap you can forget about above average depth on 3rd Line and Quality Defence let alone to mention average goaltending he would only be able to afford.....

I feel Dubas's plan involved cap increasing yearly.
TBH no one could have predicted the cov19 and that continued impact its having.

I'm surprised cap didn't lower.

Johnsson>Mikheyev, moore and engvall
Kerfoot>zacha
Kapanen>dube... for now, that’s why calgary declines

For Roy, it’s hard to say. You would need to impress them. I would move Kapanen for Roy but they may want more.

The thing I will agree with you on is that Leafs will have to take a chance on some type of top tier D before the the core pieces hit UFA status. The other problem nobody saw coming was what COVID did to revenues and ultimately the cap. For the next 3 years the cap increase is stated to only be a million and that won't be enough for the Leafs to bring in help via the ownership's biggest weapon, which of course is money.

I dunno... this is a tough decision on keeping all 4 big money forwards or trading one for help elsewhere.