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Created by: marc
Team: 2017-18 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 14, 2016
Published: Sep. 14, 2016
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Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$3,250,000
5$5,750,000
2$1,250,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
6$6,750,000
3$5,500,000
Trades
1.
ANA
  1. Emelin, Alexei ($1,100,000 retained)
Additional Details:
Trade until trade deadline 2017
one of the second round picks 2017
Hudon
2.
MTL
    Las Vegas expansion draft
    3.
    EDM
    1. Juulsen, Noah
    2. Plekanec, Tomas ($1,500,000 retained)
    3. 2018 1st round pick (MTL)
    4. 2018 2nd round pick (CHI)
    Retained Salary Transactions
    DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
    2018
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    Logo of the MTL
    Logo of the MTL
    2019
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    Logo of the MTL
    Logo of the MTL
    Logo of the MTL
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    2020
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    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
    23$75,000,000$68,277,499$0$1,407,500$6,722,501
    Left WingCentreRight Wing
    $4,050,000$4,050,000
    LW
    UFA - 2
    $5,750,000$5,750,000
    LW, C, RW
    UFA - 3
    $3,750,000$3,750,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 4
    $839,166$839,166
    LW, RW
    UFA - 2
    $6,000,000$6,000,000
    LW, C
    UFA - 4
    $5,500,000$5,500,000
    RW
    UFA - 5
    $725,000$725,000
    LW
    UFA - 1
    $3,900,000$3,900,000
    C, RW
    UFA - 5
    $1,250,000$1,250,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 2
    $1,166,667$1,166,667
    LW, RW
    UFA - 2
    $912,500$912,500
    C
    UFA - 1
    $1,200,000$1,200,000
    C, RW
    UFA - 1
    $863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
    LW, RW
    UFA - 2
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    $4,000,000$4,000,000
    LD/RD
    UFA - 1
    $6,750,000$6,750,000
    RD
    UFA - 4
    $6,500,000$6,500,000
    G
    NMC
    UFA - 1
    $3,250,000$3,250,000
    LD/RD
    UFA - 2
    $5,500,000$5,500,000
    RD
    NMC
    UFA - 4
    $714,167$714,167 (Performance Bonus$132,500$132K)
    G
    UFA - 1
    $894,166$894,166 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
    LD/RD
    UFA - 3
    $800,000$800,000
    RD
    UFA - 1
    $750,000$750,000
    LD
    UFA - 1
    $612,500$612,500
    RD
    UFA - 1

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    Sep. 14, 2016 at 9:37 a.m.
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    LongtimeLeafsufferer
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    Shattenkirk isn't signing with Montreal, unless he is "desparate". Sorry, the Vegans don't take Weber. The Vegans would be better to draft an AHLer from Montreal and then have 7m to spend on a UFA,(like Shattenkirk)
    Sep. 14, 2016 at 10:56 a.m.
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    Quoting: palhal
    Shattenkirk isn't signing with Montreal, unless he is "desparate". Sorry, the Vegans don't take Weber. The Vegans would be better to draft an AHLer from Montreal and then have 7m to spend on a UFA,(like Shattenkirk)


    The problem is, I totally agree with your comment. But let me have this dream:-)
    Sep. 14, 2016 at 11:03 a.m.
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    Quoting: palhal
    Shattenkirk isn't signing with Montreal, unless he is "desparate". Sorry, the Vegans don't take Weber. The Vegans would be better to draft an AHLer from Montreal and then have 7m to spend on a UFA,(like Shattenkirk)


    Unless he's set on going to a handful of teams then your right but if he wants top dollar, MTL might be able to over pay if we wanted to (In this scenario where we lose Weber for nothing).

    Sorry the vegans don't want Weber? Uuugghh yeah they would. Your under the presumption that LV will be able to just throw money at any of their problems. You mention them spending that money on guys like Shattenkirk, no big name free agent will sign with LV you do know that right? LV will be an average team at best so no big name player wants to play for a non playoff team especially one that is just starting off, if they want a player bad enough they will have to overpay which will defeat the purpose of not taking someone like Weber, LV is a probably the least desirable destination for non-American players, above the age of 30 who are married and have a family. I'm almost certain 90% of players in the league fall into this category. The vegans would be insane not to take Weber palhal because LV won't win a cup within those ten year anyways so getting an established guy like Weber would be paramount and they certainly won't be struggling to stay under the cap anyway. Its different if it were NYR. They can attract just about any player as long as the money is there.

    Now this is all pointless because WHY THE **** would MTL put Weber on the unprotected list? That is the dumbest thing I've ever seen. Yeah lets trade Subban for a player we'll lose a year later. We do all realize that Weber is still one of the best dmen in the league right? Players don't die after their 30's, they decline yes but they don't turn into mush. Yeah he'll suck in 2026 and Montreal will probably have to buy him out when that time comes but for now he's better than 90% of defenceman in the league. Not too mention HE IS OUR BEST DMAN. Guess all these players were garbage and should of been given away for nothing before they played another game right?

    http://www.hockey-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&year_min=2006&season_start=1&season_end=-1&rookie=N&age_min=31&age_max=99&pos=D&is_playoffs=N&c1stat=points&c1comp=gt&c1val=40&threshhold=5&order_by=points
    Sep. 14, 2016 at 11:27 a.m.
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    Marco, yes Weber is Montreals best D. And he will be it for the next 3 years. And I really like Shea Weber and his style to play D. But in my opinion this scenario could fit for Montreal.

    But would you accept the trades without the Weber/Shattenkirk change?
    Sep. 14, 2016 at 11:36 a.m.
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    Marco, yes Weber is Montreals best D. And he will be it for the next 3 years. And I really like Shea Weber and his style to play D. But in my opinion this scenario could fit for Montreal.

    But would you accept the trades without the Weber/Shattenkirk change?


    Weber will be the best dman in Montreal until Sergachev is. No one else in the entire MTL organization comes close. Not one for the next 5 years. It'll have to be either a player not currently on the team or a guy like Beaulieu turning into a reincarnation of Bobby Orr in the next 5 years. My money is on Sergachev.

    The Fowler trade will not happen. Anaheim can't afford it. They need to lose salary without taking any back. This is not like my proposal with Columbus. It makes more sense for Columbus than it does for Anaheim. The RNH trade is quite an a lot to give up. Pleky can replace RNH's scoring for the remaining season then we're also retaining salary. The we're adding two 1st rounders and a 2nd rounder. That a lot. You'd have to tweak the trade a little bit for me to like it.
    Sep. 14, 2016 at 12:32 p.m.
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    Marco: Actually Vegas is family friendly city, no state taxes also. Montreal is the worse NHL city for taxes, although most players are "corporations" so it isn't a big effect. Young American families adjusting to the the French culture and mandatory French schooling, not so appealing to Americans. Europeans are much more adaptable to any city in North America.
    "Throw money at their problems". Wouldn't one guy (Weber) whose cap hit is over 10% of the total, be throwing money around?
    Vegas isn't going to win the Cup in first few years, but they could establish a great base with good ELC signing and in the next summer or two add UFAs.
    IMO there are going to "lots" of high priced players available in the expansion draft. The Vegans are going to have to manage their cap wisely. Also they just can't draft 30 NHLers and then send some of these guys to the minors after training camp, cause they might be picked up waivers. They will have to draft a core of guys that are still waiver exempt and will fill the roster in the following years.
    Sep. 14, 2016 at 2:27 p.m.
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    Quoting: palhal
    Marco: Actually Vegas is family friendly city, no state taxes also. Montreal is the worse NHL city for taxes, although most players are "corporations" so it isn't a big effect. Young American families adjusting to the the French culture and mandatory French schooling, not so appealing to Americans. Europeans are much more adaptable to any city in North America.
    "Throw money at their problems". Wouldn't one guy (Weber) whose cap hit is over 10% of the total, be throwing money around?
    Vegas isn't going to win the Cup in first few years, but they could establish a great base with good ELC signing and in the next summer or two add UFAs.
    IMO there are going to "lots" of high priced players available in the expansion draft. The Vegans are going to have to manage their cap wisely. Also they just can't draft 30 NHLers and then send some of these guys to the minors after training camp, cause they might be picked up waivers. They will have to draft a core of guys that are still waiver exempt and will fill the roster in the following years.


    Have you been to LV palhal? I have. I don't know how one can construe that it would be a family friendly place to live. Fine maybe not as bad as some places in N.A but definitely not one of the better places. Taxes are definitely a problem in Montreal but fortunately for MTL that can be combated by simply paying the player more then the market value to make up for it. Also according to CapFreindly, Toronto and Ottawa are worse. Not too mention that some big American teams are pretty close to what it is in Montreal and it doesn't hurt their chances at landing a player? Montreal is the most english place in all of Quebec palhal. An english person can live a normal life here with only the most basic french like Oui, non et merci. The private schools in the west end are bilingual friendly. The construction is by far the hardest part about Montreal not the language. Confused

    Sure Montreal might not be the most appealing to American players but the qualities that MTL does offer, Las Vegas does not. Any player not American will play anywhere but if given the opportunity they'd much rather choose a team with some history or that is more competitive if its for the same price. Plus its not like we've never had American players come here recently. Of recent memory Gionta, Cole, Montoya, etc all chose Montreal over American teams.

    And then throw on top of that there are 30 other teams bidding for a players service. Not just MTL. Hmm choose Las Vegas or New York, Tampa, Anaheim, Chicago, etc Who would you choose?

    Weber would be their best player for a long time until some of their high draft picks come of age and are ready to step in. They'll need vets though to take the brunt of the work load in order to teach them at their pace. Unlike in Edmonton where every 1st rounder became the teams best player at that position almost right away. That didn't turn out very well did it?

    You quoted me about "Throwing money at their problems" out of context palhal, the quote is "Your under the presumption that LV will be able to just throw money at any of their problems." Which by this i mean just because LV has 10 millions in cap space, doesn't mean they will be able to sign the best players. They have to accept going to Las Vegas and LV has to outbid the other teams also. How many big name UFA's have chosen Arizona or Nashville over the years? (Ones that were on the free agent market already)

    You are under the presumption that every team operates like Toronto can. "we need to be as perfect with our signings as possible because we want to make sure we're making the best decision from the group". When is reality other teams are ecstatic just to get that asset in the first place. Spend that money more wisely? Most teams can't spend that money on wise choices even if they wanted to! What does a team like LV whose unknown and probably going to be somewhat bad for the first little while going to do to beat out the other teams?

    Establish a good base with ELC? Of course they will but they also have to spend enough money to reach the cap right? So what they are going to do? Spend that extra money on bargain bin UFA's and over pay them instead? They'd rather spend 7M on 3 average 3rd liners then 7M on one all star? Are you kidding me? How many quality UFA's are they realistically going to get? Shattenkirk, Marchand, Oshie and Thornton? Come on man. They'd be lucky to even be in the running with one of those guys and even if one of them was contemplating it, LV would have to overpay to get them anyway. Once again that is if one of them was willing.

    LV will not take on players with bad contracts who are bad also. They have so many options. They'll take the overpriced guys who can actually play still but if you think the likes of Voracek, Weber and Ryan are going to be those guys your wrong. Every team will have a couple bad contract players and some AHL'ers available for picking. LV won't be "forced" to take a LUPUL off the Leafs hands because they are desperate... if that is their only best option they'll take an AHL'er whose on a cheap contract. There are too many teams that will be forced to leave a decent player exposed that should be the consensus player taken by LV when the time comes. In MTL that could be a guy like Beaulieu for example. Not a star but a capable player. They aren't going to take Emelin just because he's available and he's the player with the most street cred left unexposed....

    Thennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn we haven't even got to the fact that LV is a business. They need to put butts in the seats in order to sell tickets (Maybe not the first year due to hype), if they have a chance to put an all star in their lineup like a Weber, believe me they will. Anyways its not even the point, MTL will never give Weber away for nothing unless his game completely implodes. The guy is a pro, he'll adapt and be a minimum of "good" player for the duration of his contract. He'll be overpaid by year 5 for sure but will be very good for those first 5. If anything by then he'll be bought out. Hopefully an amnesty buy out period will happen with the next lockout. That's if he's really that bad by that time.

    It drives me nuts how much of a bad rap this guy gets. A team like LV who has no base of quality players yet, loads of cap space to spend on players, not a single big name to help sell tickets, no player capable of putting up Weber like numbers, is not going to lose a chance at a guy like Weber if he were available.

    Yes every team has to be smart about their cap or they could end up in trouble but these teams that we are referring to are teams that have spent big money on guys like Dustin Brown, Girardi, Clarkson, etc etc. Not guys like Weber and also made numerous lower big money signings on guys not worth their money. Weber right now is still better than 90% percent of the dmen in the league at least. You don't scoff at that, even if it is because his contract is long. You deal with that when the time comes but for the time being, enjoy the ride.
    Sep. 14, 2016 at 3:31 p.m.
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    I wish some Vegans or close to Vegans could tell about living in Vegas. It isn't just the "strip" that tourists go to. Yes, I have been to Vegas and Montreal too. I'll agree with you that living in Montreal in as an adult....is kinda great (especially if you're single.) But coming to Montreal with an English wife only who may want a job or with kids, would they want to go to private schools just to have an English program?
    You mentioned five American teams...and cities where an NHLer would prefer to work....New York, Tampa, Anahem and Chicago. All of those teams have cap issues. So I do the possibility of of Vegas getting UFAs very soon, even next year. Every person is different but Vegas besides the desert has mountains not too far away and the ocean is just 2.5hours away.
    I guess we will know in a few years, but I really wonder if Vegas has the PAYING fan base to support an NHL in the long run.

    Best wishes to the Habs and Shea Weber. Hopefully we can have this discussion in three years during Leafs/Canadians Conference final.smile
    Sep. 14, 2016 at 5:13 p.m.
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    I wish some Vegans or close to Vegans could tell about living in Vegas. It isn't just the "strip" that tourists go to. Yes, I have been to Vegas and Montreal too. I'll agree with you that living in Montreal in as an adult....is kinda great (especially if you're single.) But coming to Montreal with an English wife only who may want a job or with kids, would they want to go to private schools just to have an English program?
    You mentioned five American teams...and cities where an NHLer would prefer to work....New York, Tampa, Anahem and Chicago. All of those teams have cap issues. So I do the possibility of of Vegas getting UFAs very soon, even next year. Every person is different but Vegas besides the desert has mountains not too far away and the ocean is just 2.5hours away.
    I guess we will know in a few years, but I really wonder if Vegas has the PAYING fan base to support an NHL in the long run.

    Best wishes to the Habs and Shea Weber. Hopefully we can have this discussion in three years during Leafs/Canadians Conference final.smile



    What Vegan is going to bash their own city palhal? A quick couple google searches shows a pretty clear idea. Its not for certain types of people. Family oriented men with million dollar contracts? Probably not the best idea. Your average joe, probably it isn't so bad. With Vegas You live there for the exact things people preach to stay away from. You do go to Toronto to get peace and quiet.

    Regarding the school system here, I only mentioned the private schools because these are million dollar families, they can easily afford it. Regarding the language, its no different than states where Spanish is a large portion of the language spoken. Learning a new language is not a burden if your willing. Like i said, you don't need to be fluent at all. But it definitely helps. Outside of Montreal however, speaking french is much more mandatory.

    Those teams I mentioned were only examples off the top of my head. Also they are cap tight teams now. LV isn't even a team now so who cares. In 3-4 years, lots could change with those teams. NJ has oodles of cap space, didn't see players lining up to play there and Jersey is an established franchise with quality players on it. Even if those teams are tight, there are other teams that aren't so tight that are more attractive then a start from scratch LV.

    LV has some qualities yes. Of course they do. Their prime qualities are however the things that make living there less attractive. They will have a solid first and possible second year but fans who haven't been exposed to hockey for a long time will slowly stop going when they realize that their team isn't as competitive as it needs to be in order to keep the casual fan in their seat. They need star power and they need it fast. Hence why (our original discussion) adding Weber would make sense for them. Once again if Montreal was dumb enough to let him go for nothing, which they won't especially after trading a fan favorite for him.

    God, what i would pay to have a Leafs-Habs meaningful game again! cheers Its so weird, its like when one is a good team, the other isn't. (Minus this past season). When's the last time both Montreal and the Leafs were in the playoffs? 2001? Jesus! Funny enough though, I smell it coming. T.O is doing all the right things. Montreal is not. I think my prediction is coming true again and it will be TO in the playoffs and Montreal not. Lets hope both can continue to improve.
     
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