lol that Carolina trade is funny, for less than half the price you can a guy with practically the same production

yeah. sure thing. "almost the same" eh? 18 points less last year and 4 less this year in 11 more games. And dont try that "plays with better players" angle.
Oh, and he's 2 years older too.
good try, good effort

Yeah no. Production is similar offensively, and TT is better EVERYWHERE else. Carolina are already in a cap crunch, they're not trading one of the best 1st line contracts in the league for Marner.

I'm torn on that NSH trade because I don't think either player is worth a 2nd -- however, that would improve the Preds 3rd D pair substantially. Josi - Ellis // Ekholm - Fabbro // Dermott - Holl would be a very good D core and it would give Dermott/Holl a chance to play in their more natural 4/5/6 spot on a deeper blueline. I'd counter for with 2 3rds, but getting a solid 3rd pairing like that would relieve a lot of stress off the big 3 so it may be worth it anyway. I don't see a deal like this ever happening anywhere but this site, but it would be intriguing from a NSH perspective.

I would guess Carolina declines 11/10 times

lol

Marner is obviously better, but not $5 mil better. Teuvo's advanced stats were also better across the board this past season. Again-Marner is better, but he's not worth blowing all remaining cap space away for the Canes.

sure, you can argue that, but let's just not say silly things like their production is almost the same. Turbo is a good player, but then the canes arnt really hurting for cap space. In fact their cap situation is hilarously good despite having some not great contracts already like Skjei and Staal. an extra 5 mill for a guy like Marner wouldnt be close to the end of the world and they could find another 4ish pretty easy if they wanted to move a forward

I am in no way a fan of the Dermott/Holl deal here's what I will say about Nashville. Having a crazy good D-core has not made this team good enough offensively so maybe it's time for Poile to change things up slightly and get stronger offensively?

I mean the strong D pairings has been a trademark there for quite a long time right? I guess the next change would be at GM if Nashville continues to just have regular season success and only moderate playoff success.

When was the last time Nashville had a good 3rd pair on D? It's been at least 5 years. And they have tried getting stronger offensively in the past 5 years - Johansen, Forsberg, Turris, Duchene, Granlund were all brought in through trade or free agency to provide offense. It hasn't always worked out, but it's not because of complacency.

If you made these comments pre-Laviolette, then it would be more justified. The Lavy-era was much more about offense than defense, and Poile's moves show that.

Yeah.....Marner is better, but I wouldn't touch that contract. To me, he's just not worth that money. Maybe 9 million per. Maybe. Still, I'd rather spend less on the wings and put more money on the backend.

LOL Did you forget to read what I wrote? One makes 11 million and the other 5 million. I dont care what angle you think I am getting at in your imaginary world. For that price I would not even do this deal straigt up. I can have 2 Teräväinen's and it isnt even close.

they are hurting for cap space in exactly one year from now when they have to pay hamilton, svechnikov and a host of other ELC raises.

and they have over 32 million to do it, so after a potential Marner for Tuvo trade they'd have 28ish or so million without making another move. They could do it pretty easy if they so desired

wow, and you could get 2 pastrnak's for a mcdavid!'s cap space the oilers should make that trade, similar stats too! but naturally, the bruins wouldnt do it

yea, with 9 players under contract.

hamilton and svechnkov would cost 16-20 million alone, so nice try. necas will get a good bump, this is also with zero goalies under contract. it doesn't work.

yes if i can have 2 pastas for one McDavid, yes i make that trade every single day of the week

and they have a few guys they can move pretty easily in Dzingle, Martinook, McGinn, Skjei and even Trochek can probably be moved if they so desire. I never said the SHOULD do it, just that they could pretty easily take the hit for a year try to win the cup and then see how it all shakes out going into the Seattle expansion draft. heck, the Kracken will probably be all over a guy like Skjei who is expendable to the Hurricanes.

wow, you missed the point in a way that i wasnt even prepared for. The point was that Carolina isnt getting 2 Tuvo's. they are getting one Marner and losing one Tuvo. And you cant just go out there and get another Tuvo to make that gap up so your point was utterly meaningless.

Are you 14, you missed the point. They can have Svechnikov and Teräväinen or Slavin and Teräväinen for that price and for the next 5 years or they can JUST HAVE MARNER................THAT IS THE POINT. I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND NOW THAT THE DIFFERENCE IN PRICE IS TO BIG.I never said anything about anyone being better, It is the contract amount why they will not do this deal.

no, i didnt miss your point. I got your point that you dont think the contract difference is enough. I wasnt talking about that, i was talking about your hilariously poor argument that the canes could have 2 tuvo's for the price of Marner despite that not being an option. Now, if you want to debate the finer points of a 90+ point guy vs a 70 point guy for an additional 5 million, go nuts. just dont pretend that you can simply add a second 70 point guy for that 5 million

They have TERÄVÄINEN and Svechnikov for that price, both pretty decent players and both under Marners cap hit. I will take 2 70 point guys over 1 90 point guy anyday of the week, I will take 2 60 point guys over 1 90 point guy anyday of the week. In fact the way it sits I could get 3 70 point guys for the Marner price. Svechnikov and Teräväinen and Hamilton. Question for you now is do you choose Marner or those 3????????

wow, and they could have Marner and Svechnikov for 5 million more! and not spending that 5 million dollars on marner does not bring in another 5 million dollar 70 point player. But spending it on Marner gets them a better player than Tuvo. crazy how that works. You keep saying weird things like "i can get all these players for this much money!" without, you know, having a way to get these three players.
So, to simplify this, the actual comparison you are looking for here is "would you rather have Tuvo, Svechnikov and Hamilton and 9 mill in cap space or Marner, Svechnikov and Hamilton and 4 mill in cap space?" because i know which one i'd pick.

You would be over their cap with that Marner and other 2 deal. So that sure doesnt work out that way.

I retained making the difference only 2.8M.