If the deal from Detroit doesn’t include Suzuki or KK, why would Detroit do it? Also, nice Rugrats username.

That doen't get us Mantha, I'm afraid... starts with Domi + a 1st and a prospect...

Wings pass, this is wildy insufficient

Maybe I could be convinced into changing the 2nd into a 1st. But as much as I think mantha would fit our needs he isn't worth giving away Suzuki or KK. Also the only way something like this happens is if mantha has no interest in signing long term in Detroit. Which I think is likely as he would be agreeing to spend his prime years at the bottom of the league. He may say all the right things in public but I dont think that many guys want to waste their best years.

Hard to say the motivations of a player. We have a lot of cap so we can pay him and maybe he likes to golf. If he wanted to win though wouldn’t he want to go to a true contender? We also have 2 RFA years on him so maybe he likes the direction of our team with some youngsters getting spots (Zadina, Seider, Rasmussen, Veleno, 2020 4OA) and/or some FA acquisitions or trades. If he doesn’t I’d have no problem flipping him in the last year of that deal and dealing with it then when he’s established what kind of player he is. Suzuki or KK is the only thing on that roster outside Romanov that fills an area of need while being in our window.

260 gp 84 g 89a 173pts 0.665 ppg Mantha
375gp 81g 170a 251pts 0.669 ppg Domi
I would like Detroit fans to stop pretending mantha is some elite winger compared to domi.
They are very different players but as far offensive impact on the game they are very close. The 2 things that pop out to me hear is mantha is a better goal scorer but also injury prone

Right and you can keep Domi who showed exactly what he was in the playoffs and we'll keep our guy unless you pay for what his value is. I wish other people would understand that he's one of the core pieces of our rebuild and just cause you want a guy and think his stats are whatever doesn't mean we are trading him. If you want him, you overpay, if not then we keep him and that's the end of the story. Guy was on pace for 70 points this year before he got hurt, was Domi? Domi so soft and mantha is about to be one of the top power forwards in the league.

As per usual, Detroit declines.

One of these players has put up over 70 pts and one hasn't. I dont mind when ppl want to say this kind of offer doesn't interest Detroit because they dont think it meets their needs. Just stop acting like I'm trying to trade for pastrnak. Also beware the regression to the mean and enjoy next season 🙂 also my next offer for mantha will be lower just for fun

This is one of the cases where i'm ok to use the Kapanen trade as an example. This trade puts Mantha minimally ahead of Kapanen, which is absurd. He was on a 70 point pace on the worst team on the league, Kapanen was on pace for 45 on one of the league's most potent offences.
Habs fans clearly have a ridiculous valuation of Mantha.
Please stop.

Lol the case where it helps your argument is one that you are okay using the kapanen trade as an example. Using a trade where one team got fleeced is never a good argument so no I will not stop. I could also use the kapanen trade as an example as to why domi is worth 2 first and decent prospect.

Exactly this. Just say Domi doesn't fit Detroits needs. To suggest that they are not even close is ridiculous, the numbers speak for themselves.

One year ago if Detroit fans were to suggest Mantha for Domi straight up habs fans would be like "we aren't trading our #1C who just put up 72 pts for an injury prone player."

So one year later its the opposite?

The truth is these are similarly productive (again look at the numbers) players with totally different skill sets.

Mantha is a 6'5" powerforward/sniper wing who has had injury issues.

Domi is a feisty 5'10" skilled speedy playmaking center.

Totally different skill sets, but very similar value.