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How to annoy me

Created by: Gordon_Bombay
Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 26, 2020
Published: Aug. 26, 2020
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How to annoy me:

Sing Pietrangelo

Trade Freddie and think Murray or Georgiev are solid alternatives

Overpay for Dumba

Think Johnsson is worth a 3rd round pick or less

And of course, trading Willie for ****, after he scored the 15th most goals in the NHL and actually proved that he is absolutely worth his contract.
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Aug. 26, 2020 at 11:10 a.m.
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AG has literally outplayed Andersen over the past year with whatever you want to call Ruff's defensive system without getting banned on here but let's just ignore that
Aug. 26, 2020 at 11:12 a.m.
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
AG has literally outplayed Andersen over the past year with whatever you want to call Ruff's defensive system without getting banned on here but let's just ignore that


I mean I don't think he's better, but I think he's a younger, fresher option that is pretty good. I'd like to see a trade for him, at the right price of course
Aug. 26, 2020 at 11:14 a.m.
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
AG has literally outplayed Andersen over the past year with whatever you want to call Ruff's defensive system without getting banned on here but let's just ignore that


I'm with Gordo on this one, if they replace Freddie with Georgiev the Leafs are taking a huge step back in net.
He's the Connor Murphy of goalies on capfriendly, hugely overrated for reasons unknown.
Aug. 26, 2020 at 11:16 a.m.
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I'm with Gordo on this one, if they replace Freddie with Georgiev the Leafs are taking a huge step back in net.
He's the Connor Murphy of goalies on capfriendly, hugely overrated for reasons unknown.


If you compare his play to our defensive play over the past 2 seasons (18-19 and 19-20) he's EASILY above average
Aug. 26, 2020 at 11:18 a.m.
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
If you compare his play to our defensive play over the past 2 seasons (18-19 and 19-20) he's EASILY above average


The same should be said for Andersen and his results have been better, hence why I think Georgiev is a step in the wrong direction
Aug. 26, 2020 at 11:20 a.m.
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Quoting: I4evrblue
I'm with Gordo on this one, if they replace Freddie with Georgiev the Leafs are taking a huge step back in net.
He's the Connor Murphy of goalies on capfriendly, hugely overrated for reasons unknown.


Connor Murphy is rated highly because he is very good. Same could be said about Georgiev. Is he as good as Freddie? Probably not. But he's cheaper, under team control, and younger. He's not that bad of a step-down, and still has plenty of room to grow. Freddie is likely gone in a year, or else costs too much money, and has not been all that clutch in the playoffs, generally speaking. Might be nice to get a cheaper, longer term, younger goalie who looks pretty good. Looks ready to be a starter, with a solid backup in Campbell to take many games.
Aug. 26, 2020 at 11:21 a.m.
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Trading Freddie Andersen is the epitome of recency bias. He was one of like 3 goalies (Crawford and Gibson iirc) to be consistently good for 3+ years, he was carrying a huge load for the Leafs that would hang him out to dry most nights. He has one bad season and people start drawing up the trades...

GSAx, past 5 seasons: 7, 19, 10, 8, -10
GSAx cumulative NHL rank in those 5 seasons: 7th

People see those numbers and think his GSAx will drop to -28 when the data suggests it's way more likely that it returns back to the 8-10 range.

it annoys me too lol
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Aug. 26, 2020 at 11:21 a.m.
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
If you compare his play to our defensive play over the past 2 seasons (18-19 and 19-20) he's EASILY above average


We tend to forget that playing in Toronto is a differnt thing. Maybe you are too young to remeber the days before Freddie, but I still remember when a lot of talented goalies such as Georgiev, playing in similar roles than he did came to the Leafs and did nothing. Bernier etc.

And the Rangers have talent, but no goalie close as good as Freddie right now, guess which of the 3 did not get a shot in the playoffs?

It is great to play for the Rangers, because the pressure is not there in New York. The pressure of the city is on the Yankees, the Leafs are the Yankees of hockey
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Aug. 26, 2020 at 11:23 a.m.
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Quoting: Gordon_Bombay
We tend to forget that playing in Toronto is a differnt thing. Maybe you are too young to remeber the days before Freddie, but I still remember when a lot of talented goalies such as Georgiev, playing in similar roles than he did came to the Leafs and did nothing. Bernier etc.

And the Rangers have talent, but no goalie close as good as Freddie right now, guess which of the 3 did not get a shot in the playoffs?

It is great to play for the Rangers, because the pressure is not there in New York. The pressure of the city is on the Yankees, the Leafs are the Yankees of hockey


The Yankees of hockey are the Habs dude... the history, the success

Also Igor and AG are already better than Freddy (if he continues to play like he did in 19-20)
Aug. 26, 2020 at 11:24 a.m.
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Quoting: leafs101
Connor Murphy is rated highly because he is very good. Same could be said about Georgiev. Is he as good as Freddie? Probably not. But he's cheaper, under team control, and younger. He's not that bad of a step-down, and still has plenty of room to grow. Freddie is likely gone in a year, or else costs too much money, and has not been all that clutch in the playoffs, generally speaking. Might be nice to get a cheaper, longer term, younger goalie who looks pretty good. Looks ready to be a starter, with a solid backup in Campbell to take many games.


Connor Murphy is a scrub
Aug. 26, 2020 at 11:26 a.m.
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Trading Freddie Andersen is the epitome of recency bias. He was one of like 3 goalies (Crawford and Gibson iirc) to be consistently good for 3+ years, he was carrying a huge load for the Leafs that would hang him out to dry most nights. He has one bad season and people start drawing up the trades...

GSAx, past 5 seasons: 7, 19, 10, 8, -10
GSAx cumulative NHL rank in those 5 seasons: 7th

People see those numbers and think his GSAx will drop to -28 when the data suggests it's way more likely that it returns back to the 8-10 range.

it annoys me too lol


absolutley true. The Leafs defending (not just the Ds) is an absolut shambles in many games.

Look at Columbus. They play very well in their own end, which is why Bobrovski looked like a 10m goalie and now Merzlikins and Korpisalo look almost as good as he did.

And we should not forget the pressure in Toronto. The toxic fans and media expect every goalie to play like Hasek (best goalie in my opinon), There are a lot of good goalies who failed in Toronto because of the pressure. Freddie is the best since Cujo, and that is like 20 years ago or so
Aug. 26, 2020 at 11:26 a.m.
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Ego masturbation. OK sure. Usually indicates little dick syndrome but whatever does it for you.
Aug. 26, 2020 at 11:27 a.m.
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
The Yankees of hockey are the Habs dude... the history, the success

Also Igor and AG are already better than Freddy (if he continues to play like he did in 19-20)


with a very small sample size. Look at how Freddie was before this season, and he was not even terrible this season. He just had to play all the back to backs because Hutchinson was unable to win a single game.
Aug. 26, 2020 at 11:28 a.m.
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Ego masturbation. OK sure. Usually indicates little dick syndrome but whatever does it for you.


you are the expert, you must know if first hand I guess
Aug. 26, 2020 at 11:29 a.m.
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Quoting: Gordon_Bombay
with a very small sample size. Look at how Freddie was before this season, and he was not even terrible this season. He just had to play all the back to backs because Hutchinson was unable to win a single game.


Freddy was pretty bad this year... consistently allowing bad goals
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Aug. 26, 2020 at 11:31 a.m.
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Freddy was pretty bad this year... consistently allowing bad goals


exactly. Its not his stats and numbers for me, its when he allows bad goals. He lets in bad goals at the worst times possible, every year, in elimination games - the Foudy goal as an example
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Aug. 26, 2020 at 11:31 a.m.
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Quoting: Gordon_Bombay
you are the expert, you must know if first hand I guess


I'm not the one who thinks they run armchair and are the last word on trades.
Aug. 26, 2020 at 11:33 a.m.
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
The Yankees of hockey are the Habs dude... the history, the success

Also Igor and AG are already better than Freddy (if he continues to play like he did in 19-20)


I'd agree with Igor, but man...AG was, by any statistic available, league average. Freddie's year this year was basically the same. They also both play in a shaky defensive scheme. The biggest difference here is that Freddie has been above average every other year, which AG has not done. Maybe, at 30, Freddie is done, but I would say he's a likelier bounce back player than AG is a future stud.
Aug. 26, 2020 at 11:37 a.m.
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exactly. Its not his stats and numbers for me, its when he allows bad goals. He lets in bad goals at the worst times possible, every year, in elimination games - the Foudy goal as an example


well. if you pay guys over 10 million to not score a single goal in the playoffs, it is hard to blame the goalie I think
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Aug. 26, 2020 at 11:38 a.m.
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Many seem to forget how crap the leafs perform every time Freddy went down with injury. I love the guy and think the team is better off with Freddy vs Murray, Georgiev,...but always better to trade a guy 1 year too early than 1 year too late.

I have to imagine Dubas has had preliminary discussions with Freddy's agent and if he's expecting a big raise, why not explore finding a trade now than losing him in the off-season for nothing. Not ideal, but has to be explored.
Aug. 26, 2020 at 11:41 a.m.
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well. if you pay guys over 10 million to not score a single goal in the playoffs, it is hard to blame the goalie I think


Not blame, and not just looking at the one series. This has happened for years now. Not saying its all his fault, but you can't absolve him of some blame too. Might be better to get a fresh start, get assets for him, and get younger before you (a) Lose him in FA or (b) overpay him in FA
Aug. 26, 2020 at 11:42 a.m.
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Many seem to forget how crap the leafs perform every time Freddy went down with injury. I love the guy and think the team is better off with Freddy vs Murray, Georgiev,...but always better to trade a guy 1 year too early than 1 year too late.

I have to imagine Dubas has had preliminary discussions with Freddy's agent and if he's expecting a big raise, why not explore finding a trade now than losing him in the off-season for nothing. Not ideal, but has to be explored.

keep in mind when he went down in recent years it meant you either had Hutchinson or Sparks playing
Aug. 26, 2020 at 11:44 a.m.
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Not blame, and not just looking at the one series. This has happened for years now. Not saying its all his fault, but you can't absolve him of some blame too. Might be better to get a fresh start, get assets for him, and get younger before you (a) Lose him in FA or (b) overpay him in FA


I just don't see any of those guys as an upgrade. On good days, they are as good as Freddie on bad days.
Aug. 26, 2020 at 11:47 a.m.
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I just don't see any of those guys as an upgrade. On good days, they are as good as Freddie on bad days.



As I said many times, I don't think he is a better goalie, but for a variety of reasons mentioned, it might be smart to move Fredide and go for a younger starter
Aug. 26, 2020 at 11:49 a.m.
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keep in mind when he went down in recent years it meant you either had Hutchinson or Sparks playing


Oh, absolutely. Depending on how the cap space was used, I'd be okay moving Freddy for futures and trying to roll with Campbell + a quality backup.
 
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