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Leafs Can Stop Sucking I hope

Created by: Amakiir
Initial Creation Date: Aug 26, 2020
Published: Aug 26 at 12:53
Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
Team Explanation
Intent would be to trade Johnsson late in the season when his value is back up. Right now everyone seems to have forgotten that he's basically another Hyman when he's top of his game.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Bracco, Jeremy2$950,000
Mikheyev, Ilya3$2,300,000
Rodrigues, Evan2$2,200,000
Pulock, Ryan4$3,850,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Spezza, Jason1$800,000
Byfuglien, Dustin2$2,000,000
Vatanen, Sami2$4,875,000
Hoffman, Mike4$6,950,000
Trades
TOR
  1. Pulock, Ryan [RFA Rights]
NYI
  1. Holl, Justin
  2. Engvall, Pierre
  3. 2021 2nd round pick (TOR)
TOR
  1. 2020 1st round pick (CHI)
  2. 2021 1st round pick (CHI)
CHI
  1. Nylander, William
  2. 2020 2nd round pick (TOR)
TOR
  1. 2020 1st round pick (TOR)
  2. 2020 2nd round pick (NYR)
  3. 2020 3rd round pick (BUF)
CAR
  1. Andersen, Frederik
  2. 2020 1st round pick (PIT)
TOR
  1. 2020 2nd round pick (OTT)
OTT
  1. Bracco, Jeremy
  2. 2020 4th round pick (VGK)
TOR
  1. 2020 2nd round pick (WPG)
  2. 2021 2nd round pick (WPG)
WPG
  1. Dermott, Travis [RFA Rights]
  2. 2020 2nd round pick (OTT)
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
CHI
TOR
NYR
WPG
BUF
TOR
VGK
TOR
CAR
COL
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
CHI
WPG
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
25$81,500,000$85,655,100$0$582,500-$4,155,100
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Johnsson, Andreas
$3,400,000
LW
UFA - 3
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,634,000
C
UFA - 4
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$10,893,000
RW
UFA - 5
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$2,300,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 5
Hoffman, Mike
$6,950,000
RW, LW
UFA
TOR
Robertson, Nicholas
$821,667
LW
RFA - 3
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
$3,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 3
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Rodrigues, Evan
$2,200,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
TOR
Hållander, Filip
$764,167
C
RFA - 3
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$800,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
TOR
Barabanov, Alexander
$925,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
TOR
Korshkov, Yegor
$925,000
RW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
Pulock, Ryan
$3,850,000
RD
UFA - 2
TOR
Campbell, Jack
$1,650,000
G
UFA - 2
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$5,625,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 4
Vatanen, Sami
$4,875,000
LD/RD
UFA
TOR
Woll, Joseph
$800,000
G
RFA - 1
TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
$894,167
LD
RFA - 2
TOR
Liljegren, Timothy
$863,333
RD
RFA - 2
TOR
Král, Filip
$810,000
LD
RFA - 3
TOR
Hollowell, Mac
$799,766
RD
RFA - 2
TOR
Lehtonen, Mikko
$925,000
LD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Byfuglien, Dustin
$2,000,000
RD
UFA

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Aug 26 at 12:56
#1
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Yeah Bracco is not worth a 2nd, not even close
Aug 26 at 12:59
#2
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Waaaaaay off on pulock value there
Aug 26 at 1:06
#3
In Pridham we trust
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Is your goal for Leafs to stop sucking in 3 or 4 years??

Aside from the unrealistic Pulock trade, your deals and lineup looks more like a rebuild.

Obviously the Hoffman signing doesn't work as your way over the cap.
Aug 26 at 1:06
#4
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Quoting: Isles555
Waaaaaay off on pulock value there


Last I checked (1) You guys have too much D, and (2) You can't afford to re-sign him.
Offersheet comp on a player under $4,227,437 is a 2nd soooo....you were saying?
Aug 26 at 1:08
#5
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Quoting: Amakiir
Last I checked (1) You guys have too much D, and (2) You can't afford to re-sign him.
Offersheet comp on a player under $4,227,437 is a 2nd soooo....you were saying?


Pulock will get more than 4.2M
Aug 26 at 1:08
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Hawks pass!
Aug 26 at 1:08
#7
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Quoting: Barilko14
Is your goal for Leafs to stop sucking in 3 or 4 years??

Aside from the unrealistic Pulock trade, your deals and lineup looks more like a rebuild.

Obviously the Hoffman signing doesn't work as your way over the cap.


See comment above on Pulock. As for being over the cap, remember the LTIR means I'm only over by $2M and I have about 5 players who are on there that are simply to show they'll likely play during an injury or fighting for a spot in camp. Lastly, As I said in my notes above, the intent would be to trade Johnny soooo no, I'm not over the cap at all.
Aug 26 at 1:10
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Quoting: Jeeerrd
Hawks pass!


You can't get in the way of family! No seriously, why not? And if it's compensation, then what would you propose?
Aug 26 at 1:10
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To tell you how far off you are on value for Pulock you are, first Pulock will most likely get between 6 and 7 Million AAV. I would not trade Pulock for Marner Straight up nor Nylander. He is the Islanders Top RHD.
Aug 26 at 1:11
#10
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Quoting: Amakiir
Last I checked (1) You guys have too much D, and (2) You can't afford to re-sign him.
Offersheet comp on a player under $4,227,437 is a 2nd soooo....you were saying?

Pulock gets 6-6.5 isles can move contracts with prospects and picks they are in a negotiable position and not gonna move arguably their best dman for pennies get out of here with your homer trades man
Aug 26 at 1:12
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Quoting: KrisBeKreame
To tell you how far off you are on value for Pulock you are, first Pulock will most likely get between 6 and 7 Million AAV. I would not trade Pulock for Marner Straight up nor Nylander. He is the Islanders Top RHD.


Okay now you sound like a fanboy with no logic / rationale so I'll stop discussing.
Aug 26 at 1:13
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Quoting: Isles555
Pulock gets 6-6.5 isles can move contracts with prospects and picks they are in a negotiable position and not gonna move arguably their best dman for pennies get out of here with your homer trades man


Fair enough. Do you have an Armchair for the Islanders? Curious to see what you'd do for the team.
Aug 26 at 1:14
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Quoting: Amakiir
You can't get in the way of family! No seriously, why not? And if it's compensation, then what would you propose?


The hawks are trying to reload and are looking more on the blueline. 2 firsts is steep for Nylander in my opinion. Id say a 1st, a good prospect and a roster player maybe.
Aug 26 at 1:14
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I will guarantee you that Carolina is not making any deal for a one year rental
Aug 26 at 1:20
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Quoting: CanesTings
I will guarantee you that Carolina is not making any deal for a one year rental


A 2nd and a 3rd is dirt cheap on a goalie with an off year who was a Vezina candidate and extremely likely to have a bounce back year. You all could have gone way further with a better goalie and I wish you did. I think it's a better trade for you than it is us, but I could see how since you probably don't watch Leafs games you think Freddy isn't worth way more. We'd be selling low on him.
Aug 26 at 1:21
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Quoting: Jeeerrd
The hawks are trying to reload and are looking more on the blueline. 2 firsts is steep for Nylander in my opinion. Id say a 1st, a good prospect and a roster player maybe.


Fair enough, thanks for explaining. I think the value on Nylander here is very fair and even potentially underpriced, but I also get what you're saying. If it doesn't work for the team I hear you.
Aug 26 at 1:31
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Quoting: Amakiir
Last I checked (1) You guys have too much D, and (2) You can't afford to re-sign him.
Offersheet comp on a player under $4,227,437 is a 2nd soooo....you were saying?


Why on Earth would Pulock sign an offer sheet that low?
Aug 26 at 1:35
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Quoting: Amakiir
Okay now you sound like a fanboy with no logic / rationale so I'll stop discussing.


First off you dont know me, so you cant say Im just another fanboy, Look at some of the Islanders AGMs you can see that many others are saying the same thing for his AAV. As for trade value, Pulock vs Nylander is close but I would always put the edge towards RHD over wingers. As far as the Pulock Vs Marner, Marner comes with a cap hit of 11M that the Islanders can in no way fit. The Value is not there for trading Pulock as they have no way to replace him. By the way, several AGMs between Jets and Islanders fans talked about Kyle Conner for Pulock straight up. The Islanders should not do that either because thier defense is too important to thier game.
Aug 26 at 1:41
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Quoting: KrisBeKreame
First off you dont know me, so you cant say Im just another fanboy, Look at some of the Islanders AGMs you can see that many others are saying the same thing for his AAV. As for trade value, Pulock vs Nylander is close but I would always put the edge towards RHD over wingers. As far as the Pulock Vs Marner, Marner comes with a cap hit of 11M that the Islanders can in no way fit. The Value is not there for trading Pulock as they have no way to replace him. By the way, several AGMs between Jets and Islanders fans talked about Kyle Conner for Pulock straight up. The Islanders should not do that either because thier defense is too important to thier game.


It's one thing to say Marner doesn't fit your team, it's another to say they're worth the same. We'll see what happens but I think Pulock signs a 2 year deal. I'll take your word for it that it'll still be 6-6.5M. I'm not sure if Nylander would be a good comp then, Nylander still has a lot of upside. And holy **** would he do well under Trotz. Scare the lazy out of his bones. As for your D game, I've heard Islanders fans split on this. You guys have too much D and need offensive help.

I will say, based on what you're saying, I see what you're saying about the value here being way too low. Thanks
Aug 26 at 1:46
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Quoting: Amakiir
See comment above on Pulock. As for being over the cap, remember the LTIR means I'm only over by $2M and I have about 5 players who are on there that are simply to show they'll likely play during an injury or fighting for a spot in camp. Lastly, As I said in my notes above, the intent would be to trade Johnny soooo no, I'm not over the cap at all.


You need to do some more research on the cap. Ltir is already accounted for in your numbers. This site automatically takes it into account.

You said you are trading AJ in-season, therefore you are over the cap.

It's really not that hard.
Aug 26 at 1:51
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Quoting: Amakiir
Fair enough, thanks for explaining. I think the value on Nylander here is very fair and even potentially underpriced, but I also get what you're saying. If it doesn't work for the team I hear you.


I dont know if thats underpriced for Nylander. 2 firsts is a lot for any team to give up. Nylander is a good winger but I cant think of a player the has been traded for 2 first round picks.
Aug 26 at 1:58
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Quoting: Barilko14
You need to do some more research on the cap. Ltir is already accounted for in your numbers. This site automatically takes it into account.

You said you are trading AJ in-season, therefore you are over the cap.

It's really not that hard.


That's not how cap hit works. It's only a hit if and while they are on the roster and like I said I have 5 spares. Then if someone is on LTIR, that is cap space that can be used by a call up. And if Johnny is traded then the cap is freed up by the % of games unplayed. It's really hard for you apparently.
Aug 26 at 2:00
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Quoting: Amakiir
It's one thing to say Marner doesn't fit your team, it's another to say they're worth the same. We'll see what happens but I think Pulock signs a 2 year deal. I'll take your word for it that it'll still be 6-6.5M. I'm not sure if Nylander would be a good comp then, Nylander still has a lot of upside. And holy **** would he do well under Trotz. Scare the lazy out of his bones. As for your D game, I've heard Islanders fans split on this. You guys have too much D and need offensive help.

I will say, based on what you're saying, I see what you're saying about the value here being way too low. Thanks


I didnt say anything about Marners value, just that I wouldnt do the trade 1 for 1. However I was implying that its not out of the ball park value wise. I think higher than Nylander, Lower than Marner. Im not sure that Nylander can play in Trotz's style. Trotz and Lou ask you to sacrifice personal for team. If you can buy in you can thrive, if not you sink. The Islanders do have too much D, right now its a LHD abundance until Dobson can take a top 4 spot, then it will be a RHD abundance. Pulock and Mayfield are 2 very important pieces for the team right now, niether one can be replaced internally till Dobson is ready.
I dont think the Islanders will do anything short term with Pulock, I think you go short with Barzal and long with Pulock. Barzal will play against the short term deal while hoping for a bigger contract after the Covid affected CAP ends. 3 years or less at 7-8 Million now, 9-10 later.
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Aug 26 at 2:03
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Quoting: Jeeerrd
I dont know if thats underpriced for Nylander. 2 firsts is a lot for any team to give up. Nylander is a good winger but I cant think of a player the has been traded for 2 first round picks.


It's not just two 1sts for Nylander, it's a 2nd back. So to be honest, I think a poor team would take this trade a lot more eagerly. I was trying to think of someone like Florida or Arizona. Reason being is they're poor and most of his salary has been paid for the remainder of the contract. I only picked Chicago because his brother is there. But after discussions in this thread, I honestly believe he'd reach his potential under some hard ass like Trotz or Torts. Nylander is a sick player, but dear god can he be a lazy sh**.
Aug 26 at 2:05
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Quoting: KrisBeKreame
I didnt say anything about Marners value, just that I wouldnt do the trade 1 for 1. However I was implying that its not out of the ball park value wise. I think higher than Nylander, Lower than Marner. Im not sure that Nylander can play in Trotz's style. Trotz and Lou ask you to sacrifice personal for team. If you can buy in you can thrive, if not you sink. The Islanders do have too much D, right now its a LHD abundance until Dobson can take a top 4 spot, then it will be a RHD abundance. Pulock and Mayfield are 2 very important pieces for the team right now, niether one can be replaced internally till Dobson is ready.
I dont think the Islanders will do anything short term with Pulock, I think you go short with Barzal and long with Pulock. Barzal will play against the short term deal while hoping for a bigger contract after the Covid affected CAP ends. 3 years or less at 7-8 Million now, 9-10 later.


Alright you have me sold on what you're saying. And as for Nylander, I wish you were wrong. Seriously he has potential to be a star, I just don't understand him sometimes. Maybe Torts can get to him.
 
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