If the Leafs choose to move Andersen, I'm sure a deal involving Dermott and Murray makes sense for both sides

penguins should avoid the leafs at all cost..... what the leasfs did to the penguins is just wrong... 1st (15oa) and a top 3 organization prospect for a 40 point winger..... they need to delete that number and never cll back

It's not even that much of an overpayment. You're exaggerating quite a bit

It all depends on how well Kapanen plays and who the Leafs draft with that pick or who they trade it for

No, it is that much of an overpayment, they barely got the better roster player and traded the 2 best assets as well

I see CDS as our backup. Has preformed admirably in that tole in the past.

No it's not. Kapanen is realistically worth a pick between 20-31 right now. So 15 is only a bit higher. Hallander (while maybe high in Pittsburgh's prospect chart) isn't that great of a prospect. He'll likely be a third liner at most, maybe a second liner if he develops well but he won't be that in Toronto. He's not that great of skater and hasn't produced at an extremely high level to date. He's just a very smart player. That doesn't always transition to a top 6 guy. So it really depends what Toronto does with that pick. Kapanen could easily get 25 goals and 60 points playing with Malkin most likely or even Crosby. Add in that he's a quality PK guy and it's really not a terrible deal. Slight overpayment, yes. But to how much has been exaggerated? Absolutely not.

lmfao what? exaggerating what part? did the penguins not give up the 15oa pick? was Hållander not a top 3 prospect for the penguins? did Kappy score 50+ points at some point and i missed it? hes 24 i dont think i overlooked that? either you know something i dont or i didnt exaggerate ..... bc from how i had to break this down for you to understand it seems like im spot on lol

And whoever they would’ve drafted with the 15th pick would not help the pens win the cup in their window. And Hallander is a decent prospect in the worst prospect pool in the nhl. It’s now or never with Pittsburgh, and they are all in

McCann and Bjugstad to Chicago for De Haan and Caggiula

Idk I'm a big fan of McCann what would you want from Chicago for him?

oh boy i love logic like this.... so 15 picks higher isnt that much? top 15 in this draft could easily be top 10 in any other draft.... but lets ignore the obvious and focus on your logic. A 40 point winger is worth a late first? so logic tells you that a good prospect and a mid 2nd would be closer to his value not a mid 1st and a good prospect...... just using common sense.... does this mean Rust is worth a top 10 pick and a prospect?

Lol. Just because someone is a top 3 organizational prospect doesn't mean he's that good. Pittsburgh system is weak. As I said, Hallander isn't THAT good. But I guess you missed all that when I said it the first time. Maybe if you learned to read, you'd know a bit more before you'd think you were "on spot"

fair enough.... hypothetically not but would you pay me $20 bill for a $10 bill? why give up this much value for a players thats worth maybe a 2nd and Hallander

you sent that after/same time lmfao sorry i didnt heat up my time machine.

Ya deff an overpayment, cant disagree with that. Would’ve rather used those pieces for someone more established. But even if the 15th overall turns out to be a solid player, as well as Hallander, Pittsburgh will not be a contender anymore. Might as well go for a compete rebuild once crosby and Malkin retire

lets say with the 15overall you drafted Jarvis and he pulls a complete Mcmichaels or Denisenko. that means in 2 years he would be a really solid nhl ready player. or lets say Sanderson fall to that pick. i think this was an embarrassingly bad choice... you could have literally trade that for Domi who is much much much better.... does Kappy really add that WOW factor that the penguin are missing? i personally would love to have a more proven player for that cost.... seems like this site agree based on the voting..

Now way to that trade de haan has only played 39 games this year and cagguila is of zero value. Chicago and the pens just are terrible trade partners this offseason.

2020 2nd (COL) for McCann from SJ

A fair offer but McCann is our best trade asset beside MM and i need 2 defenseman cause JJ aint gonna cut it.

First things first, Toronto won the trade.

Referring to Hallander as a top 3 organizational asset is true, but a bit off base. It's probably better to think of him in the vacuum of young forward with legit NHL potential - a top 6 ceiling but most likely more like top 9 potential. All that to say, a pretty valuable if you're up against the cap but by no means a guarantee.

The 15th overall pick is what really shook me, specifically in a draft this deep. My hope was that Pittsburgh would begin the process of a soft transition into building their prospect pool.

GMJR has absolutely zero interest in preparing for the transition after Malkin's contract expires and that's what has me super concerned. I get the idea of win now, but have any of these moves actually improved their chances of winning? They've been bounced in two straight playoff series.

Two bad takes, but okay

SJ is not very likely to trade Simek being that they just signed him, but...

Simek + 3rd/4th? -> McCann + 6th?

imo they could have easily got Kappy for Hallander and a 2nd round pick.. im just baffled at the cost of a 40 point 24 year old winger. idk if hes the guy that pushes them over the edge... GMJR is really banking a lot on KAppy and Sid clicking... i would have went for Domi.... i think hes more of what they need...

Cagguila never scored more than 20 points in a season. We have enough of those forwards on the roster de haan may be good but not qhen he only plays 39 games a year.

Can simek play RD? I dont know much about him but the value is there enough to say id accept.