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Get Young - Get Fast - GMJR is keeping his word from MM Interview - I LOVE IT

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Team: 2020-21 Pittsburgh Penguins
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 25, 2020
Published: Aug. 26, 2020
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+ Why are Pens Fans mad about getting a RH-RW (that we needed) & is only 23yrs old who has better Analytics than Zucker from 18'-20' , is faster, is more physical, and has way more upside & cheaper Cap....
For a 1st & a C+ prospect ??
BUT
Pens fans were Happy about getting another tiny LWer, Will be 29yrs old & out of prime hockey yrs, has worse Analytics than Kappy from 18'-20' & has No upside w/ a high Cap
For a 1st & a B+ Prospect

I SWEAR TO GOD PENS FANS ARE EXTREMELY DUMB AND DON'T THINK
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********** - AFTER THE KAPPY TRADE - {That I Loved} - GMJR IS STICKING TO HIS WORD FROM Mark Madden INTERVIEW, From Last Friday !!!


~ GMJR said (From his own mouth) in Mark Madden interview "not an article" ===== *** MM does do a great interview - he asks the hard questions.

** ~ GMJR has FULL support of ownership to Spend to the Cap {or about $1m away from it} & do Whatever is Needed to get the team better & Make changes.
BUT if he can stay $2m-$3m under Cap, by bringing in young players. He would like to do that BUT w/ CAP staying flat, that mite be hard too.

~ There will be Changes, something is wrong in "The Room" - The players we brought in are not taking a leadership role like.. Bones, Daley, & those guys did ==== Bjugstad? Zucker? - Both Gone??
** Can't have Horny the only guy on bench saying something & Need some Young energy Players.

~ I HOPE & PRAY = GMJR is talking JJ up, like he did Kessel last yr bc he is trying to Trade him.

***** ~ Letang #58 is NOT going to be moved, GMJR also said - He played some of his best Defensive 1st Hockey in the playoffs and thinks Letang has multiple great years left.
~ Murray is getting Moved, I think everyone knows this tho & I bet we get more than everyone expects.
When GMJR was talking of Guentzel & Rust taking that next step... He threw this in -
~ DO WE NEED THAT 3rd STAR FORWARD Again or Can these guys or a young guy like McCann step up??

- GMJR then said === PENS - No Matter What - " MUST GET YOUNGER"
And proceeded to talk about all of the Players on other teams in Playoffs making an Impact = They are all in their early 20's.
*** ~ McCann is one of those young players we need to take that next step & prob need to leave him at 1 position next yr. (Instead of moving him from ~ 3rd line LW, to 2nd line Center, to 1st line LW, to 3rd line C, then back to 3rd line LW, then in playoffs he was 3rd line Center??? YOU CAN NOT DO THAT TO A 23yr Old KID!!! Also worried he will ask for to much this off-season & Wants to sign McCann to a fair longer term deal - BUT - being a 23 yr old guy w/ upside, those are the kind of players we need more of in this line-up.
- If a younger player is NHL ready over a NHL guy w/ Contract = That guy will be put into AHL - DeSmith & Pateryn

GMJR then Stressed.....
~ Getting an Upgrade of an entire NEW 3rd line & Most Importantly we NEED a more - Defensive 3rd Line Center that is a Top 2-way player is a Big Off-season Need.
~ And getting - a RH-Wing that is a shooter for PP#1 is another = DONE - Kappy
~ And Needing 2-more D-Men Upgrades in Top 6. - For Schultz & JJ?? - I hope

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[UFA] - 20'-21' - Off-Season Signings :

~ LW- Taylor HALL #9 - 1 yr @ $6m ~~~~~ GMJR, Mario, Sid, Geno, & Letang all talk Hall into being The New Phil Kessel "3rd Star" and Winning a Cup. By taking a 1yr "Prove It Deal" after a injury riddled season then a down yr, this past yr. Getting a Promise of a long term deal (like Pettersson's Promise) - when we will have the Cap space & if Hall turns it around.

~ LHD- Derek FORBORT #20 - 1 yr @ $2.1m ~~~~ Forbort is a 6'-4" - 220lbs & only 28yrs old, was injured for 80% of season & could prob get on the cheap for another prove it Deal here. I always liked his game w/ LAK - he can skate great for a big guy & moves the puck great. Plus his physical side has been getting better.

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************ MY PITTSBURGH PENGUINS ROSTER ~ "BREAK-DOWN" **************

OFFENSE :
- Line 1A : 59 - 87 - 24 ~ OMG, It only took 16yrs but Sid has 2- Legit wingers & a young 1st Rder {RH}-RWer w/ Insane Speed
- Line 1B : 19 - 71 - 17 ~ Geno & Rusty are the Duo but keeping McCanner @ LW (all year please) w/ his Shot & Speed, IMO he breaks out BIG.
- Line 1C : 9 - 18 - 25 ~ [25-Roslovic] This is the line that makes this team great - Hall - Dvorak - Roslovic = GTFOH a 3rd Line???
- Line 4 : 13 - 53 - 72 ~ I kno Horny isn't a 4th Liner but this gives us the option of having 4- Legit scoring lines to role 4 lines always & NOT killing 87 & 71 all yr w/ a ton of min.

H/S : 12 / 37 ~ Both - Simon & Laffy can play on any line & all 3 pos. = perfect back-ups
1st Call Ups - Poulin22 / Angello57 / Lettieri95 / O'Conner__ / McLeod70
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DEFENSE :
Pair #1 : 8 - 58 ~ Still one of the best Top pairs in NHL
Pair #2 : 28 - 6 ~ The Stolen Pair Pettersson takes that next step & Marino is just scratching the surface - Now w/ real Top 4 min & PP time = Watch out!!
Pair #3 : 20 - 75 ~ A perfect vet in Forbort to pair w/ the young Bouchard

H/S : 50 ~ Can play both sides = as good - Riikola would be a perfect #7
1st Call Ups - LHD : P.O.J.73 / Dahlstrom23 ~~ RHD : Trotman5 / Welinski3 / Maniscalco__
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GOALIES :
1A : 35 ~ Jarry is ready (like I said 3-5yrs ago while everyone traded him) but It's his Time!!
1B : 31 ~ Hill - Everyone should know how good this kid is - Matt Murray Jr w/ a Glove Hand, lol

#3 & #4 : 1 / 30 ~ DeSmith would be a perfect vet #3 to the 2 young Goalies. Sign S. Martin in case DeSmith gets claimed.
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********** ~ LOOKING AHEAD TO ~ THE 21'-22 : PITTSBURGH PENGUINS ~ ************

~ Seattle Expansion Draft :
Protect - Crosby / Geno / Guentzel / Kappy / McCann / Dvorak / Roslovic / Letang / Dumo / Pettersson / Jarry ~ [Dont need to protect - Marino or Bouchard]
** I would try to make a Deal w/ Seattle to try to move : Horny72 "OR" Rusty17 - So we don't lose : Blueger or Tanev or Hill

~ 21'-22' Off-Season ~ Cap Situation :
With this team The Cap would be in Perfect order Having around [$17.5m - $15.5m] of Cap space in 21'-22' (depending on who Seattle takes in trade) - Horny or Rusty??
++ w/ LHD- POJ & LW- Poulin in starting line up -
This team would have [0] open spots on [23] Man Roster w/ [$17.5m - $15.5m] of Cap Space......
To sign [3] RFA's - Marino - Lock up long term / Blueger - Lock up / Riikolla ???

*** Is it time to move Geno w/ 1yr left ??? / What kind of Return ?? / Is Dvorak ready for 2C - "OR" Is Roslovic ready for 3C ??? /
~ Do we resign Hall Long term ??? (Could have the Cap Space anyways)

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Free Agent Signings
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3$2,250,000
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Trades
1.
PIT
  1. Dvorak, Christian
  2. Hill, Adin [RFA Rights]
Additional Details:
3. [UFA] Rights to :
LW- Taylor HALL #9

* [PIT] - GMJR keeps Wheeling & Dealing. Finally landing that 3rd line Center w/ Versatility, Gets that 1B Goalie to back-up Jarry, & takes a chance on UFA Rights of Hall.

~ DVORAK- is a crazy fast GREAT 2-way player, that can play Top 9 Center or LW, can be that 3rd line Center that GMJR wants or a responsible / Fast LW like Hags was for Geno. PLUS is locked up long term.
~ HILL - I love this kid (I think everyone knows, lol) & actually reminds me of Murray (w/ his size & his calmness in net) but IMO, Hill is a 1B Goalie rite now at just 24yrs old.
~ HALL- If we can afford him or 87 & 71 talks him into staying for 1 yr to be that 3rd Star? Maybe GMJR promises him a long term Contract after 1 yr?
ARI
  1. Zucker, Jason
Additional Details:
* [ARZ] Gets best player in Deal & gives ARZ a legit replacement to Hall at LW that can play Top line or Top 6. Also, ARZ is able to move a Top 9 Center w/ Hayton starting.

- ZUCKER- a faster / quicker Top 6 Winger, that plays hard all the time, Will go to the net & dirty areas too. I really really liked Zucker here but Pens must get younger & the NEED is a 3C.
2.
PIT
  1. Bouchard, Evan
  2. McLeod, Ryan
  3. 2021 4th round pick (EDM)
Additional Details:
* [PIT] - GMJR keeps rolling w/ Trades & like always We take EDM's best RHD again, lol. In a Prospect that I love in Bouchard & a solid Center prospect in McLeod, & a 4th Rd pick in 22'.

~ BOUCHARD- This kid is a future Top 4 RHD that will be a PP point guy but after a yr in AHL could be ready to be 3rd Pairing guy that needs to work on his skating & in D-Zone.
~ McLEOD- Looks the part of a Center being 6'-2" / 210+lbs & skates at an Elite level & has the skill - BUT- his effort isn't there tho. Needs a kick in arse & has a chance. (A Hallander replacement Prospect)
EDM
  1. Almeida, Justin
  2. Murray, Matt [RFA Rights]
Additional Details:
* [EDM] - Gets a real NHL Starting & Proven winning Goalie & a solid prospect to help McJesus win some playoff games & series bf they lose him.

- MURRAY- Had a injury riddled & down yr & needs a change at this point. BUT he is still only 26, a 6'-4", 2- Time Starting Cup winning Goalie. That just last season started the last 25 gms of yr & was the only reason we made the Playoffs.
- ALMEIDA- Had 2 great yrs in WHL w/ a 98 & 111 point seasons but struggled in 1st pro yr last yr. But the skill is there.
3.
PIT
  1. Dahlström, Carl
  2. Roslovic, Jack [RFA Rights]
Additional Details:
* [PIT] - GMJR keeps going all in on younger players & get a good younger (23yr old) NHLer that plays hard. And a younger Depth #7 - #8 LHD.

~ ROSLOVIC- The late 1st Rdr is a player I've always liked a ton & would be exactly what GMJR is looking for - (younger NHLers w/ upside). Roslovic is prob a 3rd line RWer but has potential to be a really good 3rd line Center or possibly a Top 6 RWer.
~ DAHLSTROM- Former 2nd Rdr is a depth D-man but IMO, is worth it to take a shot on the 6'-4" / 230+lbs LHD. (Goes to WBS) & is a cheaper call-up than JJ.
WPG
  1. Aston-Reese, Zach
  2. Bjugstad, Nick
  3. Ruhwedel, Chad
  4. 2022 3rd round pick (PIT)
Additional Details:
** CONDITIONAL - 22' - 3rd Rdr [PIT]
** Pick becomes - 22' - 6th Rdr [PIT]
-If Bjugstad plays over {69} gms
** Pick Returns to [PIT]
- If Bjugstad Resigns w/ [WPG]

* [WPG] gets a guy who could replace Little at 2nd or 3rd line Center & could be a steal -"If Healthy" tho, A Defensive bottom 6 LWer, & an underrated #6-#7 RHD.

- JUGGS- Is still a 6'-6" - Top 9 Forward that has produced in the NHL at Center & at RW. Even tho he was injured last year, he is still a very good player & only 27.
- ZAR- Bottom 6 LWer on a controlled contract, that could be the best Defensive Forward in NHL & great PK guy.
- RUHWEDEL- is the best #7 RHD-man in NHL & would be a 3rd pairing for 40% of NHL teams.
4.
PIT
  1. Pateryn, Greg
Additional Details:
* [PIT] Gets out of JJ Contract & picks up another RHD option for IF Bouchard isn't ready .

~ PATERYN- is a solid 6'-3" / 225lbs - #6 to #7 RHD-man & is coming off of Sports hernia surgery a yr ago & has even worse analytics than JJ but maybe a change of scenery & being fully healthy will boost his game.
(Prob ends up in WBS)
MIN
  1. Björkqvist, Kasper
  2. Johnson, Jack
Additional Details:
* [MIN] Opens up a spot at RHD for Soucy, Menell, or Belpedio, & gets a vet 3rd pairing Dman, & a prospect GMBG loves.

- JOHNSON- is Cap relief for Pens but is still good enough to be a 3rd Pairing guy still. + only for 1 yr until Seattle Exp. Draft.
- BJORKQVIST- The former 2nd Rdr isn't ranked highly as a prospect but will be a 10yr Bottom 6 NHLer w/ his motor
5.
PIT
    Put on waivers to try to sneak into AHL & being RHD, he prob gets claimed
    OTT
    1. Pateryn, Greg
    Additional Details:
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    Aug. 26, 2020 at 7:12 p.m.
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    Aug. 26, 2020 at 7:15 p.m.
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    I would feel bad criticizing any of this because it looks like you spent hours on it lol
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    Aug. 26, 2020 at 7:15 p.m.
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    tl;dr

    I don't think anyone is upset that they acquired Kapanen, just that they paid the #15 overall pick and a quality prospect to get him. Kapanan clearly has potential when paired with the right linemates, that was just a steep price to pay after having so few 1st round picks in the last decade.
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    Aug. 26, 2020 at 7:16 p.m.
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    I think Pittsburgh needs to add more to make the Wild take Jack Johnson. We don’t have room for a pylon.
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    Aug. 26, 2020 at 7:19 p.m.
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    Don't know how you can argue Kapanen has better analytics than Zucker when most models this past season had him as a below replacement level player. Horrible defensive numbers.

    The year before was really good. But this year was a huge step back.

    He also doesn't have a great shot and has pretty bad PP numbers. Not sure how you can view him as a PP solution.

    Rust was great there all season. Sullivan just refused to use him in the playoffs because he's a stubborn fool.

    Also, Johnson is not a useful 3rd pairing guy. He's literally the worst D man to play a significant number of games this year. You have to pay to get rid of him.

    Trading Zucker again is so freaking stupid and the worst asset management. Despite quoting one interview JR did (he's done several over the past few days), you have failed to recognize that he views the top 6 as complete and stable with the additions of Zucker and Kapanen. Not going to happen. Stop.
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    Aug. 26, 2020 at 7:20 p.m.
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    Those are some of the worst trades I’ve ever seen here. Most of them aren’t even close
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    Aug. 26, 2020 at 7:29 p.m.
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    Not gonna sit here and read the essay of information.. I'll give you credit on whatever it is. Something that takes that long musta taken hours and you did some research on. But I will agree with your evaluation of the Kapanen trade. It makes a lot more sense for both sides than people seem to realize
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    Aug. 26, 2020 at 7:31 p.m.
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    Edited Aug. 26, 2020 at 8:01 p.m.
    (He was a sub replacement guy analytically 2 of the past 3 years, while Zucker was a fringe top 10 LW analytically 2 of the past 3 years, and we paid more for option 1... and Hallander is a better spec than Addison, slightly, and we also added a competent 3rd liner in ERod as well...)

    Kap also is not very good on the PP with a whopping 0 goals on the PP in 19-20 and was dead last in PP G/60 did TOR over the past 3 years (among forwards) and he's not a particularly great shooter either, underscoring his PP ixG by 0.4 G/60 over the past 3 years, and only outscoring is overall ixG by 0.07 G/60...

    Hall/his agent also already said he's not taking a short term deal (and i would be stunned if it's only 6 mil anyway)

    Kap also isn't a legit first line winger, even TOR fans will agree to that, most don't even call him to 6, at best he's a mid 6 guy, ideally a 3rd liner (tho that doesn't mean he can't play with sid, and he is an upgrade over Simon/Sheary)

    Can't call up Poulin once you send him down (to the Q)

    In what world would you think of trying to keep Blueger or TANEV over Rust, ik Rust had a career year and won't be PPG, but Blueger and Tanev are both easily replaceable 4th liners, and not even the best ones on the team! And even if Tanev was the best 4th liner in the league (and he's not even the best on the team) 3.5 mil for him would still be quite bloated compared to 3.5 mil for Rust being a complete steal

    I doubt ARZ does that, Dvo is their best C, (tho Zucker is still the better player) and that trade doesn't give them much cap relief, and it takes away their freedom to move Raanta bc they have an NHL caliber goalie in the system

    Still strongly against trading ZAR, especially for Roslo, who i love, but just don't really see being a fit with the team, idk why

    Bjorkqvist won't be a 10 year NHLer lmfao, I'd be surprised if he plays more than 10 games, A. He wasn't particularly good in providence, B. He did not look good in the AHL, and just suffered an ACL injury (well, not just, but he hasn't played a regular season game since getting hurt) and is a 23 year old with 6 games of pro experience playing in Liiga for the season, meaning he'll be 24 before he even gets a shot at NHL time (which by the way is the same age the average player peaks) and based off his AHL time i really don't think he'll make that jump next year lol
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    Aug. 26, 2020 at 7:50 p.m.
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    Can't say I agree with everything, but I definitely respect the time and effort lol, you know your team
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    Aug. 26, 2020 at 8:22 p.m.
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    Gonna need to add more for Minnesota to take on Johnson
    Aug. 26, 2020 at 10:20 p.m.
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    Quoting: Dan10900
    (He was a sub replacement guy analytically 2 of the past 3 years, while Zucker was a fringe top 10 LW analytically 2 of the past 3 years, and we paid more for option 1... and Hallander is a better spec than Addison, slightly, and we also added a competent 3rd liner in ERod as well...)

    Kap also is not very good on the PP with a whopping 0 goals on the PP in 19-20 and was dead last in PP G/60 did TOR over the past 3 years (among forwards) and he's not a particularly great shooter either, underscoring his PP ixG by 0.4 G/60 over the past 3 years, and only outscoring is overall ixG by 0.07 G/60...

    Hall/his agent also already said he's not taking a short term deal (and i would be stunned if it's only 6 mil anyway)

    Kap also isn't a legit first line winger, even TOR fans will agree to that, most don't even call him to 6, at best he's a mid 6 guy, ideally a 3rd liner (tho that doesn't mean he can't play with sid, and he is an upgrade over Simon/Sheary)

    Can't call up Poulin once you send him down (to the Q)

    In what world would you think of trying to keep Blueger or TANEV over Rust, ik Rust had a career year and won't be PPG, but Blueger and Tanev are both easily replaceable 4th liners, and not even the best ones on the team! And even if Tanev was the best 4th liner in the league (and he's not even the best on the team) 3.5 mil for him would still be quite bloated compared to 3.5 mil for Rust being a complete steal

    I doubt ARZ does that, Dvo is their best C, (tho Zucker is still the better player) and that trade doesn't give them much cap relief, and it takes away their freedom to move Raanta bc they have an NHL caliber goalie in the system

    Still strongly against trading ZAR, especially for Roslo, who i love, but just don't really see being a fit with the team, idk why

    Bjorkqvist won't be a 10 year NHLer lmfao, I'd be surprised if he plays more than 10 games, A. He wasn't particularly good in providence, B. He did not look good in the AHL, and just suffered an ACL injury (well, not just, but he hasn't played a regular season game since getting hurt) and is a 23 year old with 6 games of pro experience playing in Liiga for the season, meaning he'll be 24 before he even gets a shot at NHL time (which by the way is the same age the average player peaks) and based off his AHL time i really don't think he'll make that jump next year lol


    on the Kap trade - I have been vouching for him as a top 6 RW all year. He got buried behind Marner and Nylander, and I don't think they ever gave him at fair shot at the top 6 like they did Johnsson. The stretch he did play with Matthews in 2018-19 while Willy was being a little b*tch I thought he looked pretty damn good.

    That said, he's not driving a line. That's how the Leafs used him, making him drive the 3rd line, and he did pretty well, but that's not where he's best. I absolutely think he deserves top 6 minutes, and I think he creates space with his tenaciousness and speed for guys like Crosby and Guentzel. Also his speed plus Crosby's mind and playmaking might be a great combo. Gets like a breakaway per game, doesn't score on a lot of them though. Either way he spaces the D out for the top guns and has plenty of room to grow.

    I'm sad to see him go, but at the same time, prospect + 15th is more than I could have expected. I do think Kap will play well enough to make this trade seem a little bit more reasonable, unless of course the Leafs draft an absolute stud with that pick. I could see him drop 60 points if used correctly
    Aug. 26, 2020 at 11:10 p.m.
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    I would feel bad criticizing any of this because it looks like you spent hours on it lol


    LOL, Thanks
    Aug. 26, 2020 at 11:11 p.m.
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    Quoting: tkecanuck341
    tl;dr

    I don't think anyone is upset that they acquired Kapanen, just that they paid the #15 overall pick and a quality prospect to get him. Kapanan clearly has potential when paired with the right linemates, that was just a steep price to pay after having so few 1st round picks in the last decade.


    I dont think we even know what a 1st Rd pick is here in PIT, LOL
    Aug. 26, 2020 at 11:16 p.m.
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    Quoting: Chigurrhh
    Don't know how you can argue Kapanen has better analytics than Zucker when most models this past season had him as a below replacement level player. Horrible defensive numbers.

    The year before was really good. But this year was a huge step back.

    He also doesn't have a great shot and has pretty bad PP numbers. Not sure how you can view him as a PP solution.

    Rust was great there all season. Sullivan just refused to use him in the playoffs because he's a stubborn fool.

    Also, Johnson is not a useful 3rd pairing guy. He's literally the worst D man to play a significant number of games this year. You have to pay to get rid of him.

    Trading Zucker again is so freaking stupid and the worst asset management. Despite quoting one interview JR did (he's done several over the past few days), you have failed to recognize that he views the top 6 as complete and stable with the additions of Zucker and Kapanen. Not going to happen. Stop.


    Its easy just hit 2018 - 2020 Analytics & Kappy is better 5 on 5 & has more 5 on 5 points and more 5 on 5 Goals
    Kappy also never played in the top 6 while Zucker always had
    Kappy is 23 & in his prime hockey yrs & Zucker will be 29 & out of prime hockey yrs & will start declining

    Now we over paid for an old, tiny LH-LW Not for a young fast RH-RWer
    Aug. 26, 2020 at 11:19 p.m.
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    Quoting: NorthStarHockey
    I think Pittsburgh needs to add more to make the Wild take Jack Johnson. We don’t have room for a pylon.


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    I think Pittsburgh needs to add more to make the Wild take Jack Johnson. We don’t have room for a pylon.


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    Can't say I agree with everything, but I definitely respect the time and effort lol, you know your team


    Thank you
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    Aug. 26, 2020 at 11:34 p.m.
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    Quoting: Dan10900
    (He was a sub replacement guy analytically 2 of the past 3 years, while Zucker was a fringe top 10 LW analytically 2 of the past 3 years, and we paid more for option 1... and Hallander is a better spec than Addison, slightly, and we also added a competent 3rd liner in ERod as well...)

    Kap also is not very good on the PP with a whopping 0 goals on the PP in 19-20 and was dead last in PP G/60 did TOR over the past 3 years (among forwards) and he's not a particularly great shooter either, underscoring his PP ixG by 0.4 G/60 over the past 3 years, and only outscoring is overall ixG by 0.07 G/60...

    Hall/his agent also already said he's not taking a short term deal (and i would be stunned if it's only 6 mil anyway)

    Kap also isn't a legit first line winger, even TOR fans will agree to that, most don't even call him to 6, at best he's a mid 6 guy, ideally a 3rd liner (tho that doesn't mean he can't play with sid, and he is an upgrade over Simon/Sheary)

    Can't call up Poulin once you send him down (to the Q)

    In what world would you think of trying to keep Blueger or TANEV over Rust, ik Rust had a career year and won't be PPG, but Blueger and Tanev are both easily replaceable 4th liners, and not even the best ones on the team! And even if Tanev was the best 4th liner in the league (and he's not even the best on the team) 3.5 mil for him would still be quite bloated compared to 3.5 mil for Rust being a complete steal

    I doubt ARZ does that, Dvo is their best C, (tho Zucker is still the better player) and that trade doesn't give them much cap relief, and it takes away their freedom to move Raanta bc they have an NHL caliber goalie in the system

    Still strongly against trading ZAR, especially for Roslo, who i love, but just don't really see being a fit with the team, idk why

    Bjorkqvist won't be a 10 year NHLer lmfao, I'd be surprised if he plays more than 10 games, A. He wasn't particularly good in providence, B. He did not look good in the AHL, and just suffered an ACL injury (well, not just, but he hasn't played a regular season game since getting hurt) and is a 23 year old with 6 games of pro experience playing in Liiga for the season, meaning he'll be 24 before he even gets a shot at NHL time (which by the way is the same age the average player peaks) and based off his AHL time i really don't think he'll make that jump next year lol


    Go to Billius27 charts 2018 -2020- 5 on 5 analytically = Kappy >>>> Zucker in almost everything also more points & goals 5 on 5
    while Kappy never even played top 6 while old little Zucker was.

    Kappy never got on PP in TOR

    Kappy will be on Sids RW

    Poulin would make the team then get sent down so he can be available

    I like Rusty but he will be 30 at the end of Next season w/ 1 yr remaining on deal after next yr = GoodBye

    ARZ will have Stepan, Hayton, Schmaltz at Center next yr

    ZAR is good Defensively but the dude should not be allowed to touch the puck, he mite be the worst skilled player ive seen in a while... go watch him in playoffs, its actually funny, like lol funny watching him w/ Puck... The dude has hands like feet ---- Id def sell high on him while he is the Defensive Forward king analytically
    Aug. 26, 2020 at 11:35 p.m.
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    Quoting: Ryminister_27
    Not gonna sit here and read the essay of information.. I'll give you credit on whatever it is. Something that takes that long musta taken hours and you did some research on. But I will agree with your evaluation of the Kapanen trade. It makes a lot more sense for both sides than people seem to realize


    Thank, I do go a lil nutty on my teams, lol
    Aug. 26, 2020 at 11:48 p.m.
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    Quoting: Sidstick87
    Its easy just hit 2018 - 2020 Analytics & Kappy is better 5 on 5 & has more 5 on 5 points and more 5 on 5 Goals
    Kappy also never played in the top 6 while Zucker always had
    Kappy is 23 & in his prime hockey yrs & Zucker will be 29 & out of prime hockey yrs & will start declining

    Now we over paid for an old, tiny LH-LW Not for a young fast RH-RWer


    More points doesn't mean better analytics lol.

    Kapanen spent a lot of time on the top six with Marner out and Nylander out at various points. He did not do well in that role this year.

    You have a weird dislike of Zucker who was great in the games he played for the penguins and absolutely his the better "analytics" player. This is stupid.

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    Quoting: Chigurrhh
    More points doesn't mean better analytics lol.

    Kapanen spent a lot of time on the top six with Marner out and Nylander out at various points. He did not do well in that role this year.

    You have a weird dislike of Zucker who was great in the games he played for the penguins and absolutely his the better "analytics" player. This is stupid.

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    without a doubt Zucker is the better player and they aren't trading him.

    People are pissed because they wasted a good prospect and a 1st for a 3rd line winger.
    Kap on the PP.....are you kidding me. He has no shot.
    TOR fans described his signature move of blazing down the ice to smack a puck off the backwall.

    My real problem with this is the team that won cups bringing in youth, has become allergic to it.
    Hallander could have played this year. There were guys at 15 capable of coming in and playing.
    But they don't want to give them the chance. They risked it with all these younger guys to win cups...but now they are unwilling to?
    I figured them taking Jarvis at 15. Who is a much better player than Kap. His skating is really good. He could have laced up and kept up with anyone.
    I know, we got a million excuses as to why they couldn't......but we got roster room for Sheary and Marleau.

    I will give them credit they didn't bring in a 5'9 midget winger again.
    One can only hold their breath on that though.
    Aug. 27, 2020 at 12:34 a.m.
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    Quoting: Sidstick87
    Go to Billius27 charts 2018 -2020- 5 on 5 analytically = Kappy >>>> Zucker in almost everything also more points & goals 5 on 5
    while Kappy never even played top 6 while old little Zucker was.

    Kappy never got on PP in TOR

    Kappy will be on Sids RW

    Poulin would make the team then get sent down so he can be available

    I like Rusty but he will be 30 at the end of Next season w/ 1 yr remaining on deal after next yr = GoodBye

    ARZ will have Stepan, Hayton, Schmaltz at Center next yr

    ZAR is good Defensively but the dude should not be allowed to touch the puck, he mite be the worst skilled player ive seen in a while... go watch him in playoffs, its actually funny, like lol funny watching him w/ Puck... The dude has hands like feet ---- Id def sell high on him while he is the Defensive Forward king analytically


    I like Bill Comeau, but he tracks microstats, where speed guys tend to excel, they're good for looking at how a player plays and what specifically he's good at, but they're not real analytics in the way of measuring a player's impact on the game, in macrostats, Zucker>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kap and it's not remotely close

    he played 322 mins with Tavares and AM last year, he was def at least given a shot in the top 6

    He did a bit (at least 50 mins last year) and wasn't very good... and his EV finishing ability doesn't really line up with him being as good as you think he will be as a shooter on the PP

    Yes, but he is not a legit top liner, he is a slightly better Crosby winger

    If Poulin makes the team out of camp he makes the team, he won't be a call up, unless he gets hurt and goes to WBS on a conditioning loan, he can't get called up once he gets sent down

    And Blueger will be a pending UFA and almost 27, and Tanev will be 29 (ooo, so much younger) and signed for 4 more years while probably regressing early bc his playstyle... and it's not like he's even remotely close to as good as Rust rn, there is literally no justification to keeping him over Rust

    Stepan is an average 3C and is likely otb and regressing, Dvo is significantly better than both him and Schmaltz, and unless Hayton takes massive strides he won't be better than Dvo

    He's not Dom Simon or Conor Sheary... idk how many tape to tape passes I saw Sheary just completely mishandle... but ZAR isn't here for offense, if all you want back is another bottom 6 forward just keep him, he's one of the best in the game, play Hornqvist on the 3rd line instead of Roslo, and keep the best 4th line in hockey together
    Aug. 27, 2020 at 8:59 a.m.
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    Sorry so long


    Pass on that comment...

    Zucker - Rutherford tried for too long and too many times to trade him so soon, especially if the return is not a sock knocker.
    Edmonton - I am just happy to see a trade with Edmonton that doesn't have Yakupov v2.0 in it.
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    the EDM, WPG, and MIN trades are about 50%-70% of what they need to be....I think PIT needs to add a little more in each but especially the EDM trade is close. the ARI one not as much...I doubt they give up Dvorak...I don't really want hall either....the team still has not fixed the PP. I hoped the RW we got would fix the PP but Kapanen hasn't really done well there...I put rust there and hope it works....I think we need a new #3C who can play PP net front. I wish Horny would waive but Seattle is a safer bet.
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    Quoting: Chigurrhh
    More points doesn't mean better analytics lol.

    Kapanen spent a lot of time on the top six with Marner out and Nylander out at various points. He did not do well in that role this year.

    You have a weird dislike of Zucker who was great in the games he played for the penguins and absolutely his the better "analytics" player. This is stupid.

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    They are actually pretty even analytically.....
    BUT
    1- Player will be 24 , entering his hockey prime, is faster, more physical, & never had a Top 6 role BUT still has more points & more Goals??
    1- Player will be 29, out of his prime hockey yrs, is tiny, gets tossed around, & always is in the Top 6 BUT not as productive??

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    Aug. 27, 2020 at 11:49 a.m.
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    I like Bill Comeau, but he tracks microstats, where speed guys tend to excel, they're good for looking at how a player plays and what specifically he's good at, but they're not real analytics in the way of measuring a player's impact on the game, in macrostats, Zucker>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kap and it's not remotely close

    he played 322 mins with Tavares and AM last year, he was def at least given a shot in the top 6

    He did a bit (at least 50 mins last year) and wasn't very good... and his EV finishing ability doesn't really line up with him being as good as you think he will be as a shooter on the PP

    Yes, but he is not a legit top liner, he is a slightly better Crosby winger

    If Poulin makes the team out of camp he makes the team, he won't be a call up, unless he gets hurt and goes to WBS on a conditioning loan, he can't get called up once he gets sent down

    And Blueger will be a pending UFA and almost 27, and Tanev will be 29 (ooo, so much younger) and signed for 4 more years while probably regressing early bc his playstyle... and it's not like he's even remotely close to as good as Rust rn, there is literally no justification to keeping him over Rust

    Stepan is an average 3C and is likely otb and regressing, Dvo is significantly better than both him and Schmaltz, and unless Hayton takes massive strides he won't be better than Dvo

    He's not Dom Simon or Conor Sheary... idk how many tape to tape passes I saw Sheary just completely mishandle... but ZAR isn't here for offense, if all you want back is another bottom 6 forward just keep him, he's one of the best in the game, play Hornqvist on the 3rd line instead of Roslo, and keep the best 4th line in hockey together



    - LOL, 322 min of top 6 of 1930 min last 2 yrs

    - If he makes team he can then get sent down, there are a cpl of 19yr old that did it this yr.

    - I just showed u why to keep them & move Rust or Horny to Seattle like we did w/ MAF
    There would be value w/ moving Rust but prob would have to pay to move Horny

    - Stepan is there 1st to 2nd line Center now? + they already said Hayton will be in Top 9 as a Center next yr, so unless they move Dvorak back to LW??

    - I really like Roslovic and think he could be a future 3C or maybe even Top 6 RWer in a cpl yrs but he is already much better than ZAR & 4 yrs younger.

    - seriously, just go back and watch ZAR's shifts in playoffs ... U will LOL, he mite be the worst player w/ the puck since Tanner Glass, it's like he is allergic to Puck.
    A 4th line of .. Tanev - Blueger - Horny would be better by far & could actually use that 4th line, all the time. Instead of just when we have a lead or early in games.
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    Quoting: Sidstick87
    They are actually pretty even analytically.....
    BUT
    1- Player will be 24 , entering his hockey prime, is faster, more physical, & never had a Top 6 role BUT still has more points & more Goals??
    1- Player will be 29, out of his prime hockey yrs, is tiny, gets tossed around, & always is in the Top 6 BUT not as productive??

    https://public.tableau.com/profile/bill.comeau#!/vizhome/SKATR2019-2020/SKATR


    They really aren't though. Kapanen was below replacement level by most models this year. Zucker is not tiny and tossed around wtf. Genuine ignorance here.
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