Bryan Rust for Max Domi 😂😂🤣🤮😂😆🤣

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Hronek >> Murray, and Detroit views him how we view Marino
Rust for Domi doesn't really help either team's needs

You are absolutely correct and Thank You.

rust had 56 points last year thats a career high

I agree that the Detroit trade isn't fair value for Hronek which makes me wonder, what is Filip Hronek actually worth?

I see Murray's value like this:

Max value - First Round Pick
Good value - 2 - Second Round Picks
Fair Value - Second Round + Third Round pick

I think the fact that he's an RFA push his value up a bit, but the fact that he is unsigned and wants a raise drives his value down. Add in that there are going to be a lot of goalies available in the next few weeks and I think the Pitt will get "Fair Value" at best. Timing is important, because as soon as other options enter the room Murray's value will decrease.

ALL THIS TO SAY - if that's Murray's value, what is Hronek's? I'm interested to know how far off the value is.

because he played with crosby
domi is the better player without question

He spent the year being carried by Sid and Geno there’s no way he’d replicate that in Montreal. Domi had 72 points two years ago and had a decent year this year with 44. Domi has a higher ceiling and Rust probably hit his last year. He’s 28 years old and definitely would decline on Montreal. He’s a product of Sid and Geno I don’t like him.

so youre saying rust is trash and hes only good because of crosby? He put up a 9 game point streak when crosby was out and guentz was out

Thanks, guys. This is fun. As for Hronek, if he's unavailable, he's unavailable. I do like the idea of Murray for a young, cheap RD that can step into the Schultz void. But if he's Detroit's Marino, I get it.

But I think Domi is a great add for the Pens. Helps them get a viable 3C (the 3rd line was puke in the playoffs) and be a potential replacement for Malkin down the line. I heard the Habs want a scoring winger, and Rust has a good contract and had a great season. Kapanen makes him expendable. Have to give to get, and I stand-by this one in theory (may need extra pieces to balance things out) as strong on both sides.

when did i say rust was trash
i said domi was better

domi might be better but rust had the better year this year and will next year too

I think Rust is better than you're giving him credit for but I agree that a straight up trade for Domi is unrealistic.

This was Rust's best season but he's proven to be a pretty consistent goal scorer over the last 4 seasons. I do expect his goal total to decrease next season as he was scoring at nearly an 18% clip.

Even so, his shooting % sits at about 15% over the last four years. He shoots a little over 2 shots per game and even if he regresses back to 15% he's good for 25 goals in a 82 game season. (For context- league average for a good shooting percentage is about 12.5%).

A 25 goal scorer locked in at 3.5 M for 2 more years is a very good player.

ur right but playing with crosby boosts those stats a lot
he still can produce without crosby but not as much as with him

He actually barely played with Crosby this year.

Take a look at the line combos for 19-20

https://frozenpool.dobbersports.com/players/bryan-rust

To your point, he did play with Malkin and Guentzal so he wasn't necessarily driving play. But I do find it interesting that as his minutes went up and the quality of his line mate increased, his performance improved. I know that seems obvious, but some guys shrink in an increased role. Rust got better, to me, that speaks to his value.

Look at his Q2 production. He actually played his best when Sid wasn't even in the line up.

I think it is a good assessment on Murray's Value, the goalie market this summer is extensive and likely affordable, so I fear you're right that the 'fair value' is most likely, a lot would depend on how much value is placed on his playoff and cup experience. I personally am not as against Murray to Detroit as many.

Hronek is challenging to value, his offensive numbers are great, and he plays with an edge, dude is a real competitor. I think he is best as a 2nd pairing D who runs a PP and puts up maybe 40 points. His defensive game is hard to evaluate because his partners are, to be diplomatic, not ideal. I'd say at the worst he's the next Jake Gardiner.
Valuation is difficult because, a guy who is 22, is therefore cost controlled and seems to have a floor of Jake Gardiner is a great asset, and an overpayment would be necessary.
Fair value, similar age top 6 forward with a floor of someone who floats between the 2nd and 3rd line and tops out on the top line, or a top 15 1st.
Realistically, established player with higher ceiling or package including one of the mentioned assets.