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Quoting: Klara

swap Johnsson with Kerfoot and SJ accepts.

In that case I'd probably up it to a 2nd round pick coming back... Kerfoot has a bit more value than Johnsson since he plays C.

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Aug. 27, 2020 at 3:43 p.m.

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The Kings don't have any use for Dermott or Engvall. The 2nd is welcome, but unfortunately the Kings can't do without Walker right now. There are 3 RHD slots, and the Kings have exactly 3 RHD. They're not going to open a gap in the roster just to add the 45ish overall pick.

Aug. 27, 2020 at 3:44 p.m.

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Please not that Anaheim one. It’s such an overpayment for Manson

Aug. 27, 2020 at 3:49 p.m.

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Quoting: tkecanuck341

I mean Dermott coming back could fill that hole. Most people who think he's going to stay here have him pencilled in as Rielly's partner on the right side. Plus the Kings are in a rebuild, they could use Dermott as a top-4 right-sided defender in the short term, take advantage of the pick, and shift him to the bottom pair LHD if he hangs around long enough for the next era of contention.

Aug. 27, 2020 at 3:53 p.m.

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Quoting: MMXD

Please not that Anaheim one. It’s such an overpayment for Manson

That’s awful for the ducks what do you mean 😂

Aug. 27, 2020 at 3:57 p.m.

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Quoting: NR1203

The Kings have a logjam at 3LHD, with MacDermid, Clague, Hults, and Brickley all looking to make the jump in the next season or two. Dermott isn't a significant upgrade over any one of those guys.

The Kings are certainly willing to unload spare parts to bring in draft picks, but Walker and Roy not spare parts. They're necessary players in this defense right now, and trading either one would necessitate them finding someone else to fill that spot. Both are young enough to where they could be long-term staples on this team. A 2nd round pick just isn't enough to lose them.

If Durzi or Spence improve significantly over the next season or two, then Walker could become expendable and then a trade like this would be explored. Realistically, both of those guys are 3-4 years away from being NHL ready, so I don't see that happening.

I just can't see the Kings going for this deal. I'm not saying it's not fair value, it just doesn't make sense for the Kings to do it.

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Aug. 27, 2020 at 4:01 p.m.

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were not paying a 1st for Manson. Were paying a 1st for a muzzin caliber player. Manson aint that guy

Aug. 27, 2020 at 4:02 p.m.

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That’s awful for the ducks what do you mean 😂

How much do you think manson is worth 😂

Aug. 27, 2020 at 4:05 p.m.

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How much do you think manson is worth 😂

Everyone: Manson can get a muzzin package

Reality: manson can get a 2nd and a prospect. He is regressing and honestly i see the ducks giving him to a team if they take that Kesler contract as lets face it hes not coming back.

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Aug. 27, 2020 at 4:06 p.m.

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I will leave this here for everyone "Dubas wants a Muzzin Caliber player" that means a guy like Parayko, Pulock, Ellis, etc. Manson is not nor will be that caliber

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Aug. 27, 2020 at 4:15 p.m.

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Quoting: MMXD

How much do you think manson is worth 😂

Manson Terry and a 2nd is worth waaaay more than AJ Holl a 1 and a 6

Aug. 27, 2020 at 4:37 p.m.

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Quoting: Salzy

Manson Terry and a 2nd is worth waaaay more than AJ Holl a 1 and a 6

It really isn't. Holl is an NHL Dman on a cheap contract with term (1 more year than Manson), Kerfoot is probably better than Terry right now, and that pick is 15th overall in a deep draft... which means the Ducks could get another impact NHL player down the line. For a team knee-deep in a rebuild like they are, that's a lot more important than a 28-year old defenceman.

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I will leave this here for everyone "Dubas wants a Muzzin Caliber player" that means a guy like Parayko, Pulock, Ellis, etc. Manson is not nor will be that caliber

Parayko and Pulock are both significantly younger and they play for winning teams who would have less incentive to trade them... and both their cap hits (assuming Pulock signs for what I think he will) are too high for the Leafs. Not to mention the return would have to be a lot more than a late first and 2 level B prospects. I wouldn't want to touch Ellis because he's locked up to a long-term contract, and Nashville wouldn't trade him because they're also a contender, and he would cost a lot. Dubas can't go big game hunting without parting with one of Marner or Nylander and he's said he doesn't want to do that.

Manson is a solid top-4 D with a couple years left on his contract and who would fit in well playing alongside an offensive guy like Rielly. Plus, with the additions of Walker and Demelo, the Leafs won't need to lean as heavily on Manson, and Muzzin too for that matter, because they'll be able to confidently roll out 3 pairings.

Aug. 27, 2020 at 4:38 p.m.

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The Ducks can just LTIR Kesler. If anything, a team like Ottawa's gonna come calling for Kesler to help them reach the cap floor and they won't need a sweetner.

Aug. 27, 2020 at 4:39 p.m.

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Quoting: tkecanuck341

I guess that's fair. But hypothetically speaking, how much more would the Kings need in that trade to be convinced to part with Walker? At some point the trade becomes too good to turn down, so what is that point?

Aug. 27, 2020 at 4:42 p.m.

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Please not that Anaheim one. It’s such an overpayment for Manson

I'd break it down this way: Manson and Terry for Holl and the pick, and Kerfoot for the 2nd rounder.

Aug. 27, 2020 at 4:43 p.m.

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Quoting: NR1203

The Ducks can just LTIR Kesler. If anything, a team like Ottawa's gonna come calling for Kesler to help them reach the cap floor and they won't need a sweetner.

there organization does want to spend LTIR money on him and they will get 0 relief from it. Leafs at least get relief and cause of their organizational profits have the money to be able to pay him. It was a similar situation with Vegas and Clarkson.

i suggest watching an LTIR video cause one of them actually explained how the ducks are better off moving that Kesler contract as it wont benefit them and actually hurts them

Aug. 27, 2020 at 4:46 p.m.

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Quoting: NR1203

I think the Kings would consider it if they could get their hands on the #15 pick. Something like Walker and one of LA's 2nd rounders for the #15.

The only roster piece they'd be looking for that is more in demand than RHD is top-six wing. Kapanen would have been a welcome return for Walker or Roy, but he's no longer on the table. They'd probably consider Hyman or Mikheyev, but I don't think LA would add, and I can't imagine Toronto being ok with a 1-for-1 swap.

I honestly just don't see a trade working out between LA and Toronto.

Aug. 27, 2020 at 4:46 p.m.

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