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Created by: Snowden89
Initial Creation Date: Aug 31, 2020
Published: Aug 31 at 6:30
Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Mikheyev, Ilya2$1,875,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Lehner, Robin5$6,300,000
Spezza, Jason1$700,000
Gudas, Radko3$3,100,000
Martin, Matt1$1,000,000
Simmonds, Wayne1$2,000,000
Trades
TOR
  1. Mrázek, Petr
  2. 2020 1st round pick (TOR)
CAR
  1. Andersen, Frederik
  2. Johnsson, Andreas
  3. 2020 2nd round pick (TOR)
Additional Details:
Sign and trade for Freddy when he can
TOR
  1. Ellis, Ryan
NSH
  1. Dermott, Travis [RFA Rights]
  2. Gauthier, Frédérik [RFA Rights]
  3. Nylander, William
TOR
  1. 2020 4th round pick (EDM)
DET
  1. Engvall, Pierre
  2. 2021 2nd round pick (TOR)
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
  • Petr Mrázek: $958,333
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
PIT
TOR
TOR
VGK
EDM
VGK
TOR
CAR
COL
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
21$81,500,000$81,426,167$0$0$73,833
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$1,875,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,634,000
C
UFA - 4
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$10,893,000
RW
UFA - 5
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 5
Simmonds, Wayne
$2,000,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Robertson, Nicholas
$821,667
LW
RFA - 3
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
$3,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 3
TOR
Barabanov, Alexander
$925,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Martin, Matt
$1,000,000
LW, RW
UFA
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$700,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
TOR
Korshkov, Yegor
$925,000
RW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
NSH
Ellis, Ryan
$6,250,000
RD
UFA - 7
Lehner, Robin
$6,300,000
G
NTC
UFA - 5
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$5,625,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 4
Gudas, Radko
$3,100,000
RD
UFA - 3
TOR
Campbell, Jack
$1,650,000
G
UFA - 2
TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
$894,167
LD
RFA - 2
TOR
Holl, Justin
$2,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 3
TOR
Lehtonen, Mikko
$925,000
LD
UFA - 1

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Aug 31 at 6:46
#1
Brewmaster
Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 209
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1. Seems like a bit of an overpayment to Carolina. A sign and trade of Freddie should get us the 1st. We can deal Johnsson separately if needed. No sign and trade it makes more sense.
2. WIlly I hate to see go, and yet not a bad trade. I dont like Ellis' age vs Willys, and i dont think we should give up on Dermott as well.
3. No need to sweeten any pot. Engvall makes 1.25/2. Easily trade-able and as proved in the playoffs, decent 4th line center.
Aug 31 at 6:50
#2
Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 165
Likes: 33
NSH rejects but I think that’s the right direction - Replace Nylander with Marner and ask for a first back, minus the roster guys - and you’re more likely dealing in reality and on the path to winning now. Dubas screwed up with the Nylander deal and he massively overpaid both matthews and Marner; clearly was planning on extreme cap growth. Leafs fans need to face reality, in a flat cap world this team is royally f’d. Marner will have to be moved
Aug 31 at 6:52
#3
First NY Then LA
Joined: Jun 2018
Posts: 14,671
Likes: 6,882
Trading Freddie for Mrazak leaves Carolina with $7 million to spend on 7 roster slots, including signing Warren Foegele to a new contract. I doubt that the Hurricanes would want to take on Johnsson's $3.4 million cap hit, too. And the draft pick swap is a non-starter. Freddie isn't worth a first-rounder himself, and getting Mrazak on the way back reduces his value because Mrazak is at least a viable NHL goalie.

I think the best you can hope for from Carolina is Mrazak and a third for Andersen. I saw a very imaginative Andersen trade for two excellent defense prospects (Bean and Keane), but I don't think that Toronto is interested in another LD prospect.
Aug 31 at 6:57
#4
First NY Then LA
Joined: Jun 2018
Posts: 14,671
Likes: 6,882
Quoting: Chiller
Seems like a bit of an overpayment to Carolina. A sign and trade of Freddie should get us the 1st. We can deal Johnsson separately if needed. No sign and trade it makes more sense.


Carolina isn't trading the 13th overall pick in this draft for Andersen, and Mrazak has positive, not negative, value.
Aug 31 at 7:16
#5
Joined: Apr 2019
Posts: 5,268
Likes: 1,258
Quoting: Steve_321
NSH rejects but I think that’s the right direction - Replace Nylander with Marner and ask for a first back, minus the roster guys - and you’re more likely dealing in reality and on the path to winning now. Dubas screwed up with the Nylander deal and he massively overpaid both matthews and Marner; clearly was planning on extreme cap growth. Leafs fans need to face reality, in a flat cap world this team is royally f’d. Marner will have to be moved


Describe royally f'd? From what I see the Leafs need to move anywhere between 3-6 million from F to D that's it and the amount they need to move depends on the quality of D available - they could for instance move Johnsson for a song and sign Demelo at 3.5 to run a Rielly Demelo, Muzzin Holl, Dermott Lehtonen with Sandin and Liljegren itching for a call up
Aug 31 at 7:19
#6
get off my lawn...
Joined: Jul 2018
Posts: 16,230
Likes: 8,202
Quoting: OldNYIfan
Trading Freddie for Mrazak leaves Carolina with $7 million to spend on 7 roster slots, including signing Warren Foegele to a new contract. I doubt that the Hurricanes would want to take on Johnsson's $3.4 million cap hit, too. And the draft pick swap is a non-starter. Freddie isn't worth a first-rounder himself, and getting Mrazak on the way back reduces his value because Mrazak is at least a viable NHL goalie.

I think the best you can hope for from Carolina is Mrazak and a third for Andersen. I saw a very imaginative Andersen trade for two excellent defense prospects (Bean and Keane), but I don't think that Toronto is interested in another LD prospect.


Is mrazek a viable option? Certainly not for a playoff team.

I’m still scratching my head over that Ellis trade.

This Offence is hot garbage.
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Aug 31 at 7:20
#7
Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 165
Likes: 33
Quoting: Boomer125
Describe royally f'd? From what I see the Leafs need to move anywhere between 3-6 million from F to D that's it and the amount they need to move depends on the quality of D available - they could for instance move Johnsson for a song and sign Demelo at 3.5 to run a Rielly Demelo, Muzzin Holl, Dermott Lehtonen with Sandin and Liljegren itching for a call up


Resulting in fielding two completely useless forward lines that will give them zero chance 5v5 for 30-40% of a game? I just don’t understand how leafs fans expect to win with half of a team that is basically unserviceable in the nhl.... that is not the model of the teams currently pushing for a cup
Aug 31 at 11:48
#8
First NY Then LA
Joined: Jun 2018
Posts: 14,671
Likes: 6,882
Quoting: Jamiepo
Is mrazek a viable option? Certainly not for a playoff team.


Just so we're both clear, by "Mrazak is at least a viable NHL goalie" I meant he'd be a perfectly good backup for someone first-class. I was trying to say that if Andersen = draft pick, then Andersen = Mrazak plus lower draft pick.

The problem I have with the Nylander trade in the other thread you and I have been discussing is that Toronto shouldn't be trading Nylander for a third-pairing defenseman, no matter what else (within reason) is coming back; improving the RD is the whole point of trading him. This is much better, but why should Toronto be the team adding something(s)?
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Sep 1 at 12:31
#9
get off my lawn...
Joined: Jul 2018
Posts: 16,230
Likes: 8,202
Quoting: OldNYIfan
Just so we're both clear, by "Mrazak is at least a viable NHL goalie" I meant he'd be a perfectly good backup for someone first-class. I was trying to say that if Andersen = draft pick, then Andersen = Mrazak plus lower draft pick.

The problem I have with the Nylander trade in the other thread you and I have been discussing is that Toronto shouldn't be trading Nylander for a third-pairing defenseman, no matter what else (within reason) is coming back; improving the RD is the whole point of trading him. This is much better, but why should Toronto be the team adding something(s)?


Good question. The Preds get the younger player who can player either side or in the middle. I think if they are to move nylander (they won’t) for an older player (more than 4 or 5yrs older) or one with far less term, they would look to get a prospect back.
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Sep 1 at 12:51
#10
Joined: May 2020
Posts: 2,067
Likes: 1,379
Pleasure doing business with you. Don’t really need him but going 4th to 2nd round is well worth it.
 
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