If teams stopped being cowards and used the offer sheet

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Chiggy

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Quoting: MisstheWhalers

They have to want to sign the offersheet though.

No ****.

Aug. 31, 2020 at 9:12 p.m.

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How is that being a coward? Just because teams know the offersheets will get matched, or they will have to give a boat load of picks for one guy. I wouldn’t offersheet.

Aug. 31, 2020 at 9:12 p.m.

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Cernak too.

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Aug. 31, 2020 at 9:14 p.m.

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I know Hockey has a stigma against it. i think its a great tool to not only possibly get a player worth more than the picks and if not to put a rival in a bigger cap crunch.

Sergachev, Cernak and Cirelli are all open to a open sheet. You can offer a double offer sheet to Sergachev and Cernak one for $2,113,717 - $4,227,437 2nd and the other for between $4,227,438 - $6,341,152 1st and 3rd.

Would you not give up the 3 picks for both these guys? Tampa can not match both so you are almost guaranteed to get at least 1 and push Tampa closer to the cap.

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Aug. 31, 2020 at 9:16 p.m.

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Quoting: Nhl_oilers

How is that being a coward? Just because teams know the offersheets will get matched, or they will have to give a boat load of picks for one guy. I wouldn’t offersheet.

Teams give up boat loads of picks for players all the time.

See: Pageau, Kapanen, Zucker, Coleman, etc. Teams throw around assets to get those guys. These guys are young and with their best years ahead of them.

It would take more than a 1st and a 3rd to get a player like Sergachev in a trade. It's a market inefficiency that teams aren't using because it makes their peers angry and want to fight them in a barn (see Burke, Brian).

In a case like Tampa, they are stuck with multiple great RFAs, little cap room, and little roster flexibility . Teams don't take advantage of that.

Aug. 31, 2020 at 9:18 p.m.

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Quoting: Chigurrhh

Teams give up boat loads of picks for players all the time.

See: Pageau, Kapanen, Zucker, Coleman, etc. Teams throw around assets to get those guys. These guys are young and with their best years ahead of them.

It would take more than a 1st and a 3rd to get a player like Sergachev in a trade. It's a market inefficiency that teams are using because it makes their peers angry and want to fight them in a barn (see Burke, Bryan).

In a case like Tampa, they are stuck with multiple great RFAs, little cap room, and little roster flexibility . Teams don't take advantage of that.

Eh. You have to overpay to get the players to accept the offersheets you know. It’s not as easy as you think. Also a team gets like 7 days to either match it or take the picks. They would most likely get matched no matter what.

Aug. 31, 2020 at 9:21 p.m.

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Quoting: Nhl_oilers

Cool, force them to make that decision. In this case, Tampa likely would have to choose between keeping it's players due to their situation with NTCs and limited cap space.

Aug. 31, 2020 at 9:23 p.m.

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Because if you recall how the Dustin Penner signing went in 2007, it creates rifts in working relationships amongst GMs. You weaken or even lose trade partners in other teams, or even worse yet you run the risk of having your own RFAs targeted down the line. It’s just not something very many GMs have the guts to risk.

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Aug. 31, 2020 at 9:24 p.m.

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Quoting: Chigurrhh

Cool, force them to make that decision. In this case, Tampa likely would have to choose between keeping it's players due to their situation with NTCs and limited cap space.

Tampa would still match, or the player may not want to go to your team.

Aug. 31, 2020 at 9:31 p.m.

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You don't have to overpay. Below are a few reasons why they should be used more.

Say Montreal has some cap space and in need of a D. your Picks are mid round so not that bad.

Player A is worth $4M a year. He has no arbitration rights and ends up signing with Tampa for say $3M year.

You could offer him $4M a year knowing that Tampa could very well match the offer sheet and just took away $1M from a rival club in your division.

If they don't match you just got a young player worth $4M for only a 2nd round pick. (worth more that the pick)

What is the harm either way?

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Aug. 31, 2020 at 9:33 p.m.

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I don’t like it, and plus you do have to overpay. If you want the player to want to play for you instead of the team that owns his rights.

Aug. 31, 2020 at 9:35 p.m.

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The Wild fired the GM that had the balls to make an OS in Fenton. I don't think Guerin will.

I do think there are more offer sheets handed out that get publicized. The players/agents then use them as a bargaining chip to get a better contract with their current team.

Aug. 31, 2020 at 9:37 p.m.

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I don’t like it, and plus you do have to overpay. If you want the player to want to play for you instead of the team that owns his rights.

What is there not to like? this is a business you should be doing everything you can to position your team over the others.

If you read the double offer sheet I posted above to Sergachev and Cernak you don;t need to over pay and Tampa would not be able to match both players without gutting their forwards. And If a 3rd team came in and offered sheeted Cirelli its game over for Tampa.

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Aug. 31, 2020 at 9:38 p.m.

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Btw 7x7,5 offer sheet will cost you 2 firsts, a 2nd and a 3rd...

Steep price to pay for Cirelli.

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Aug. 31, 2020 at 9:39 p.m.

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players have to want to sign offersheets, so you know just ignoring that fact

Aug. 31, 2020 at 9:40 p.m.

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I don’t like it, and plus you do have to overpay. If you want the player to want to play for you instead of the team that owns his rights.

look at the Aho offer sheet You don't need to overpay

Aug. 31, 2020 at 9:40 p.m.

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Quoting: MNBassman

Cernak too.

I say Wild should OS Cirelli if Tampa matches then OS Cernak and Sergachev for spite.

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Aug. 31, 2020 at 9:41 p.m.

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players have to want to sign offersheets, so you know just ignoring that fact

Just like UFAs have to want to leave happens all the time These are kids just coming off their lowest NHL contract with little leverage other than an OS. Why would you not watch to sign one?

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Aug. 31, 2020 at 9:44 p.m.

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Just like UFAs have to want to leave happens all the time These are kids just coming off their lowest NHL contract with little leverage other than an OS. Why would you not watch to sign one?

bc in this case wit Tampa, they are a juggernaut of a team in a tax free state, not all players are money driven. Some actually....shocking concept....want to win. Just like Point who said he wouldnt even entertain an offersheet bc he wanted to win with group wiht Tampa, that seems to be their mentality. You will see shorter deals for lower aavs so they can have more kicks at the can at winning

Aug. 31, 2020 at 9:50 p.m.

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Not everyone is like that. Some want more money, Some want more playing time, Some want to play in a hockey market, Some want security of a long team deal, Some want to play closer to home. At the end of the day this is a business. and everyone needs are different

Tampa has not won anything and their time is closing. This team downhill from here

Aug. 31, 2020 at 9:58 p.m.

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Marc Bergevin is licking his lips as we speak

Aug. 31, 2020 at 10:02 p.m.

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It's a no state Tax thing, they still get taxes at the federal level - like a base 20% I think, vs 49% in Quebec (its the highest bracket over 200K I think)

Aug. 31, 2020 at 10:07 p.m.

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Cowards

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