not in your wildest dreams. as a pittsburgh fan I feel insulted

you realize that making our D better is probably our most pressing need right now... right?

why is pittsburgh ADDING to a 1 v 1 here?

Letangs best offensive season is better than Nylanders lmao

I don't believe that Letang is the right add for the Leafs, especially when they are taking on more cap. Seems to be more of an offensive minded defenseman, which they have plenty of right now.

Also, prepare for a lot of backlash for the Subban trade, even with almost half his salary being retained.

That’s a hell no from Detroit, there’s a good FA crop of goalies that could be had for just cash. It’s even laughable you think Bert would sign for 2.5M... Rebuilding teams don’t trade pieces for rentals....

Freddie would be a great goalie for the next few years in Detroit. he can stop a million pucks and bridge the team for a few years. You can't build JUST through the draft. Why didn't they re sign Athanasiou?

He is a top line player on a last place team.

The only deal on here I don't like is Detroit. yes, I think Subban is a risk, and Letang is a playoff performer... but both have bite and both are top 4 pros.

AA is great for highlight reels but other than those few instances what does he provide? He’s atrocious defensively and wants top dollar for cherry picking.

Freddie has one year left and is about to be 31. He also just posted comparable numbers to Bernier but on a much better team. Detroit will just sign a stop gap goalie to help Bernier or trade for a young up and coming guy like Georgiev. I’m not sure if you are overvaluing Freddie or undervaluing Bert but this a really bad deal for Detroit value wise and doesn’t make sense either for us.

Wings pass and counter with bertuzzi for the 15th pick and nylander. It's just as bad as the one listed here

Bertuzzi is one of the few bright spots in Detroit and he’s not being shipped off for a rental guy and a middle 6 forward

The Lettang deal is fine bro. Lettang is like 10 years older. It's the Detroit deal that sucks. Big time.

its fine for leafs, how does it help Pittsburgh, brother?

Subban is a risk certainly at $9 million.....he is not that player anymore. But he is certainly a $5 million player, no question.

Technically the only way to rebuild is through the draft the rest is retooling. The draft is the only place you get players without having give an equal or near value of assets.

That top line player on the last place has out scored Kapanen jin each of the last 2 seasons. Kapanen was playing on one of the best offensive teams in the league and Bertuzzi was on the last place team and it is much harder to score on a bad team. Plus Bertuzzi's ppg .60 and Kapanen's was .45. Now Toronto got a 1st + for Kapanen so why would Detroit give up Bertuzzi for a 30 year old goalie with a year left before his contract up and he bolts. Compare Anderson's GAA and SV% to Bernier's GAA and SV% and the whole good team bad team works here as well it's much harder for a goalie to put up good stats on a bad team. Johnsson had one 20g season and Toronto gives him a 4 year deal with a cap hit of $3.4M and he was on pace for what 13 goals before he got injured. His first game back after knee surgery and he looked awful. This trade heavily favors Toronto but no worries because Yzerman would never accept this trade in the first place.

I disagree that its harder to score on a bad team... if you are playing 18 minutes a game ona bad team, or youre playing 13 minutes on a good team... you're going to score less points. Dominic Moore was the Leafs' #1 C and scored 41 pts... he was on better teams and averaged closer to 15-18 the rest of his career.... as one example. But I don't disagree about Bertuzzi and the Detroit trade... you can read my notes from the beginning...

So you think it's easier to score on a bad team?

letang is past his prime. not trading nylander for a 7 million dollar barrie.

no thanks to subban either. great guy but he's on the decline, and 5 million is too much a risk.

detroit trade does nothing for either team

If you are on the ice for 18 minutes, you're going to have more opportunities to score... you may get 40-60pts and lead the team... meaning youre probably a 25-35 pt guy on a good team... If Kapanen as an example plays top 6 role in PIT... he's going to score more points than he did in Toronto

My avatar is Tanger and while I dont think the Oens will give him up due to the gap on D this would leave I do love Nylander and his age and contract. Letang has a nice contract too. So not realistic but maybe if Llligren or a young D were coming back there could be a package deal

Yes. They get a lineman for Crosby.

they already have that. they have Zucker, Guentzel, Rust, Hornqvist and now kapanen and Poulin.
Why does adding a winger and losing their best defenseman help them? you havent answered that. It's irrational

Ok, you bring up a fair point to say that. Dumolin and Marino would be your top pairing, and Pettersson with a new guy that you would then get for Murray. That’s not great, but you get younger with Nylander.