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Bad Cap that would take a 1st to dump

Created by: PLDGEY
Initial Creation Date: Sep 2, 2020
Published: Sep 2, 2020 at 5:56
Team: 2019-20 Ottawa Senators
Team Explanation
Dont try and dump these guys unless you are providing at least a 1st round pick (or equivalent prospect value+)

There are others sure, but people dont try and dump them on Ottawa so im less aware.

If anyone has other suggestions, we can add them
Trades
OTT
  1. Okposo, Kyle
BUF
    OTT
    1. Lucic, Milan
    CGY
      OTT
      1. Seabrook, Brent
      CHI
        OTT
        1. Neal, James
        EDM
          OTT
          1. Ladd, Andrew
          NYI
            OTT
            1. Boychuk, Johnny
            NYI
              OTT
              1. Johnson, Jack
              PIT
                OTT
                1. Jones, Martin
                SJS
                  OTT
                  1. Eriksson, Loui
                  VAN
                    Buyouts
                    • Dion Phaneuf: $729,167
                    • Alexandre Burrows: $0
                    DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
                    2020
                    OTT
                    NYI
                    SJS
                    OTT
                    CBJ
                    DAL
                    NYI
                    OTT
                    WPG
                    OTT
                    TBL
                    SJS
                    STL
                    2021
                    OTT
                    OTT
                    CBJ
                    SJS
                    OTT
                    COL
                    EDM
                    OTT
                    OTT
                    2022
                    OTT
                    OTT
                    OTT
                    OTT
                    OTT
                    OTT
                    OTT
                    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
                    31$81,500,000$100,863,292$0$2,992,500-$19,363,292
                    Left WingCenterRight Wing
                    OTT
                    Brown, Connor
                    $2,100,000
                    LW, RW
                    UFA - 1
                    OTT
                    Ryan, Bobby
                    $7,250,000
                    RW, LW
                    NMC NTC
                    UFA - 3
                    OTT
                    Duclair, Anthony
                    $1,650,000
                    LW, RW
                    UFA - 1
                    BUF
                    Okposo, Kyle
                    $6,000,000
                    RW
                    NTC
                    UFA - 4
                    OTT
                    Peca, Matthew
                    $1,300,000
                    LW, C
                    UFA - 1
                    EDM
                    Neal, James
                    $5,750,000
                    RW, LW
                    UFA - 4
                    OTT
                    Tkachuk, Brady
                    $925,000
                    LW, C
                    UFA - 2
                    NYI
                    Ladd, Andrew
                    $5,500,000
                    LW
                    NTC
                    UFA - 4
                    OTT
                    White, Colin
                    $4,750,000
                    RW, C
                    UFA - 6
                    VAN
                    Eriksson, Loui
                    $6,000,000
                    LW, RW
                    NTC
                    UFA - 3
                    OTT
                    Hawryluk, Jayce
                    $874,125
                    RW, LW
                    UFA - 1
                    CGY
                    Lucic, Milan
                    $5,250,000
                    LW
                    NMC
                    UFA - 4
                    OTT
                    Balcers, Rūdolfs
                    $759,167
                    RW, LW
                    RFA - 1
                    NYI
                    Boychuk, Johnny
                    $6,000,000
                    RD
                    NTC
                    UFA - 3
                    OTT
                    Sabourin, Scott
                    $700,000
                    RW
                    UFA - 1
                    CHI
                    Seabrook, Brent
                    $6,875,000
                    RD
                    NMC
                    UFA - 5
                    OTT
                    Paul, Nicholas
                    $750,000
                    C, LW
                    UFA - 1
                    PIT
                    Johnson, Jack
                    $3,250,000
                    LD
                    UFA - 4
                    OTT
                    Tierney, Chris
                    $2,937,500
                    C
                    UFA - 1
                    OTT
                    Anisimov, Artem
                    $4,550,000
                    C, LW
                    UFA - 2
                    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
                    OTT
                    Reilly, Mike
                    $1,500,000
                    LD
                    UFA - 2
                    OTT
                    Zaitsev, Nikita
                    $4,500,000
                    RD
                    NTC
                    UFA - 5
                    OTT
                    Anderson, Craig
                    $4,750,000
                    G
                    NTC
                    UFA - 1
                    OTT
                    Borowiecki, Mark
                    $1,200,000
                    LD
                    UFA - 1
                    OTT
                    Hainsey, Ron
                    $3,500,000
                    RD
                    NTC
                    UFA - 1
                    OTT
                    Nilsson, Anders
                    $2,600,000
                    G
                    UFA - 2
                    OTT
                    Wolanin, Christian
                    $900,000
                    LD
                    UFA - 2
                    OTT
                    Högberg, Marcus
                    $700,000
                    G
                    UFA - 2
                    OTT
                    Chabot, Thomas
                    $863,333
                    LD
                    UFA - 1
                    SJS
                    Jones, Martin
                    $5,750,000
                    G
                    NTC
                    UFA - 5
                    OTT
                    Englund, Andreas
                    $700,000
                    LD
                    UFA - 1
                    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
                    OTT
                    Gáborík, Marián
                    $4,875,000
                    RW
                    UFA - 2
                    OTT
                    MacArthur, Clarke
                    $4,650,000
                    LW
                    NTC
                    UFA - 1
                    OTT
                    Boedker, Mikkel
                    $4,000,000
                    LW, RW
                    UFA - 1
                    OTT
                    Callahan, Ryan
                    $5,800,000
                    RW
                    NMC NTC
                    UFA - 1

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                    Sep 2, 2020 at 5:59
                    #1
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                    The actual real $ is much less for Okposso. That will help your owner reach the floor
                    Sep 2, 2020 at 6:00
                    #2
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                    Quoting: Dcochy
                    The actual real $ is much less for Okposso. That will help your owner reach the floor


                    With the Chabot deal starting they wont have any issues hitting the floor.
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                    Sep 2, 2020 at 6:01
                    #3
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                    If any of these teams were good enough to guarantee it would be pick 25-31, they might do it. Who is the best team there, pit probably? Maybe the isles if they suck all the offense out of the game? I doubt anybody does it.
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                    Sep 2, 2020 at 6:01
                    #4
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                    Quoting: Dcochy
                    The actual real $ is much less for Okposso. That will help your owner reach the floor


                    The actual money is less, correct. There are a few problems though. He has 3 years of term, he would clog a spot in OTT development, and OTT is not going to have a problem meeting the floor.

                    Also, not all owners are as ****ty as Melnyk. Okposo isnt the worst player on this list, but it would still take a 1st to move his contract.
                    Sep 2, 2020 at 6:02
                    #5
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                    Quoting: sabres89
                    If any of these teams were good enough to guarantee it would be pick 25-31, they might do it. Who is the best team there, pit probably? Maybe the isles if they suck all the offense out of the game? I doubt anybody does it.


                    Nobody has to do it, for some of these contracts it makes more sense for the teams to wait it out.

                    ACGMs just cant pretend they can offload Neal and get a 5th back or something
                    Sep 2, 2020 at 6:05
                    #6
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                    Assuming all contracts would be buried for the duration of the deal (yes I realize some will definitely stay in the NHL, but they won't provide much more surplus value than the 1.05 mil extra you're paying them to play in the NHL)
                    Spot the difference:
                    9.9 mil (over 2 years)
                    12.6 mil (over 3 years)
                    23.3 mil (over 4 years, and technically can't be buried... yikes)
                    12.75 mil (over 3 years)
                    13.35 mil (over 3 years)
                    9.9 mil (over 2 years)
                    6.6 mil (over 3 years)
                    18.8 mil (over 4 years)
                    9.9 mil (over 2 years)
                    ^those are all cap hits, idk the players actual salaries (and those wouldn't change if buried)
                    Sep 2, 2020 at 6:09
                    #7
                    LongtimeLeafsufferer
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                    Some of those players have NTC so wouldn't interested in the moving to the Sens. And players on multiple years contracts, it's a bad bargain to take on crappy contracts. Use that money on real players to help your team.
                    Can we forget about the nonsense about Ottawa needed to hit the cap floor.
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                    Sep 2, 2020 at 6:13
                    #8
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                    Quoting: palhal
                    Some of those players have NTC so wouldn't interested in the moving to the Sens. And players on multiple years contracts, it's a bad bargain to take on crappy contracts. Use that money on real players to help your team.
                    Can we forget about the nonsense about Ottawa needed to hit the cap floor.


                    Im not just quoting them in reference to the senators, nor suggesting that any of them should come to Ottawa.

                    Just trying to highlight the value for other ACGMs to avoid having the same conversation in every 5th thread
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                    Sep 2, 2020 at 6:14
                    #9
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                    Quoting: Dan10900
                    Assuming all contracts would be buried for the duration of the deal (yes I realize some will definitely stay in the NHL, but they won't provide much more surplus value than the 1.05 mil extra you're paying them to play in the NHL)
                    Spot the difference:
                    9.9 mil (over 2 years)
                    12.6 mil (over 3 years)
                    23.3 mil (over 4 years, and technically can't be buried... yikes)
                    12.75 mil (over 3 years)
                    13.35 mil (over 3 years)
                    9.9 mil (over 2 years)
                    6.6 mil (over 3 years)
                    18.8 mil (over 4 years)
                    9.9 mil (over 2 years)
                    ^those are all cap hits, idk the players actual salaries (and those wouldn't change if buried)


                    Lol yeah I felt weird including Seabrook but not including Vlasic, but I feel like people dont ever suggest him so why bother
                    Sep 2, 2020 at 6:17
                    #10
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                    Quoting: PLDGEY
                    Lol yeah I felt weird including Seabrook but not including Vlasic, but I feel like people dont ever suggest him so why bother


                    I meant on the low end (but yeah Seabs and Vlasic are horrible), probably should have specified that lol
                    Sep 2, 2020 at 6:17
                    #11
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                    Quoting: PLDGEY
                    Nobody has to do it, for some of these contracts it makes more sense for the teams to wait it out.

                    ACGMs just cant pretend they can offload Neal and get a 5th back or something


                    u can buyout Neal for 1.9 million. very easy to trade. let's say Oilers trade him for a 4th rounder and retain 1.5.... then Ottawa trades him for a 4th and retain 1million....
                    Sep 2, 2020 at 6:26
                    #12
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                    Neal really isn’t a problem for Edmonton most certainly not one that warrants a first. Neal does bring value to the oilers. Top ranked pp isn’t just mcdavid and Leon’s doing. They have been running it for some time Neal shows up suddenly a noticeable spike. Oilers will be just fine holding onto him and happy about the locked in 20 goals he will provide.
                    Sep 2, 2020 at 6:30
                    #13
                    Sabres are elite
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                    To be clear, whenever I dump Okposo it is either with Ryan Johnson, Tage Thompson, and a 2nd or Okposo with up to 2 mil retained and Johnson
                    Sep 2, 2020 at 6:34
                    #14
                    Simpleton
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                    James Neal may be very streaky, he's definitely in decline and the speed of the game has certainly left him behind but Ken Holland will not give up a 1st round pick to off-load his contract. Regardless of how he managed to do it, scoring 19 goals was a very real and valuable contribution for Edmonton and he may be able to make a similar contribution next season. I think Edmonton may be patient with their roster and really do have to trust that players like Ethan Bear, Caleb Jones, and Kyler Yamamoto, and possibly Tyler Benson, Jesse Puljujarvi, and Evan Bouchard can develop further and therefore provide roster improvements from within. Neal can still be an effective veteran if given a limited role and some power play time. He can be bought out later, at a comparatively palatable expense, or perhaps a deal can be struck with Seattle.
                    Sep 2, 2020 at 6:59
                    #15
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                    Quoting: Timmah007
                    Neal really isn’t a problem for Edmonton most certainly not one that warrants a first. Neal does bring value to the oilers. Top ranked pp isn’t just mcdavid and Leon’s doing. They have been running it for some time Neal shows up suddenly a noticeable spike. Oilers will be just fine holding onto him and happy about the locked in 20 goals he will provide.


                    He isnt a problem, but he is expensive, carries term and is older. More than half his points came on the powerplay on which he is not the driving force. As I have said in another comment, for some of the teams above, the correct choice is to sit on the bad contracts. Im just expressing what it *would* cost to move.
                    Sep 2, 2020 at 7:01
                    #16
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                    Quoting: uphere
                    James Neal may be very streaky, he's definitely in decline and the speed of the game has certainly left him behind but Ken Holland will not give up a 1st round pick to off-load his contract. Regardless of how he managed to do it, scoring 19 goals was a very real and valuable contribution for Edmonton and he may be able to make a similar contribution next season. I think Edmonton may be patient with their roster and really do have to trust that players like Ethan Bear, Caleb Jones, and Kyler Yamamoto, and possibly Tyler Benson, Jesse Puljujarvi, and Evan Bouchard can develop further and therefore provide roster improvements from within. Neal can still be an effective veteran if given a limited role and some power play time. He can be bought out later, at a comparatively palatable expense, or perhaps a deal can be struck with Seattle.


                    As I have said in other comments, im not arguing that the above teams should make these trades.

                    Just saying what it would cost to dump.
                     
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