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Creating better balance

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Team: 2016-17 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 22, 2016
Published: Sep. 22, 2016
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Better balance meaning handidness.
Free Agent Signings
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5$5,000,000
Trades
1.
TOR
  1. Ehlers, Nikolaj
  2. Stuart, Mark
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Trouba

Stuart to be buried or else Trouba would probably hold out lol
WPG
  1. Gardiner, Jake
  2. Hyman, Zach
  3. Nylander, William
  4. 2017 2nd round pick (SJS)
Additional Details:
Handidness main factor in this swap for both sides. WPG has Connor LW and Laine RW for the long-term. Also have Wheeler signed long-term at RW. Seems like they may have more prospect depth at LW though...
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TOR
  1. 2017 5th round pick (BOS)
3.
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22$73,000,000$57,632,000$512,000$5,590,000$15,368,000
Left WingCentreRight Wing
$4,250,000$4,250,000
LW, RW
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UFA - 2
$4,500,000$4,500,000
C
UFA - 6
$686,667$686,667 (Performance Bonus$182,500$182K)
RW, LW
UFA - 1
$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$675,000$675K)
RW, LW
UFA - 2
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,850,000$3M)
C
UFA - 3
$736,666$736,666 (Performance Bonus$182,500$182K)
RW
UFA - 2
$4,200,000$4,200,000
C, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RW
UFA - 3
$2,650,000$2,650,000
LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
$1,300,000$1,300,000
C
UFA - 1
$2,500,000$2,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 4
$4,000,000$4,000,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
$4,500,000$4,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 6
$5,000,000$5,000,000
RD
UFA - 2
$5,000,000$5,000,000
G
UFA - 5
$1,250,000$1,250,000
LD
UFA - 2
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RD
UFA - 1
$750,000$750,000
G
UFA - 1
$2,250,000$2,250,000
RD
UFA - 1
$750,000$750,000
RD
UFA - 2
$600,000$600,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
$5,250,000$5,250,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
$5,300,000$5,300,000
RW
NMC
UFA - 4
$3,000,000$3,000,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1

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Sep. 22, 2016 at 9:02 a.m.
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I would rather have Kyle Connor coming back, I think a line with Connor-Matthews-Marner would be absolutely unreal,

as for the trade as a whole, I'm not a fan, I think management wants to give Nylander the shot (personally I think he's better than Ehlers, but I'm also biased), and by trading away Gardiner for Trouba is makes our left side quite weak, I would absolutely LOVE to have Trouba but acquiring him in a way that will allow us to progress right now
Sep. 22, 2016 at 9:04 a.m.
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I would rather have Kyle Connor coming back, I think a line with Connor-Matthews-Marner would be absolutely unreal,

as for the trade as a whole, I'm not a fan, I think management wants to give Nylander the shot (personally I think he's better than Ehlers, but I'm also biased), and by trading away Gardiner for Trouba is makes our left side quite weak, I would absolutely LOVE to have Trouba but acquiring him in a way that will allow us to progress right now


Ehlers is better than Nylander. He will be better moving forward. He is a legit top 6 forward right now. You realize Ehlers production his last year in junoir wasn't much worse than Marner with a much weaker team? He is very good. Not a good trade for the jets
Sep. 22, 2016 at 9:06 a.m.
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Quoting: JuniorGM
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I would rather have Kyle Connor coming back, I think a line with Connor-Matthews-Marner would be absolutely unreal,

as for the trade as a whole, I'm not a fan, I think management wants to give Nylander the shot (personally I think he's better than Ehlers, but I'm also biased), and by trading away Gardiner for Trouba is makes our left side quite weak, I would absolutely LOVE to have Trouba but acquiring him in a way that will allow us to progress right now


Ehlers is better than Nylander. He will be better moving forward. He is a legit top 6 forward right now. You realize Ehlers production his last year in junoir wasn't much worse than Marner with a much weaker team? He is very good. Not a good trade for the jets


Sure it is. A lot of people would be willing to "downgrade" to nylander to get rid of Stuart. He is really bad....So Gardiner+Hyman+2nd for Trouba. Not sure how fair that is but I'm sure most leaf fans will say it's enough or too much and WPG fans will say no.
Sep. 22, 2016 at 9:07 a.m.
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I would rather have Kyle Connor coming back, I think a line with Connor-Matthews-Marner would be absolutely unreal,

as for the trade as a whole, I'm not a fan, I think management wants to give Nylander the shot (personally I think he's better than Ehlers, but I'm also biased), and by trading away Gardiner for Trouba is makes our left side quite weak, I would absolutely LOVE to have Trouba but acquiring him in a way that will allow us to progress right now


But WPG is essentially already sending the 2 best players. Not sure they would negotiate with TML. Whoever they prefer they would be keeping.
Sep. 22, 2016 at 9:09 a.m.
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I would rather have Kyle Connor coming back, I think a line with Connor-Matthews-Marner would be absolutely unreal,

as for the trade as a whole, I'm not a fan, I think management wants to give Nylander the shot (personally I think he's better than Ehlers, but I'm also biased), and by trading away Gardiner for Trouba is makes our left side quite weak, I would absolutely LOVE to have Trouba but acquiring him in a way that will allow us to progress right now


Ehlers is better than Nylander. He will be better moving forward. He is a legit top 6 forward right now. You realize Ehlers production his last year in junoir wasn't much worse than Marner with a much weaker team? He is very good. Not a good trade for the jets


I wouldn't say he is, look at scoring rates, Nylander was better with much worse linemates
Sep. 22, 2016 at 9:09 a.m.
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Better balance....the Leafs now have five RH shooting Dmen of the seven on the team. Why would the Leafs trade for another LWer (admitting Ehlers is good). JVR, Komalov, Martin, Greening and prospects to be Leafs Soshnikov, Johnson, Rychel, Lindberg, Leipsic are all left handed shots.
Trading the popular and gritty Komarov for a LHD prospect? Leafs two best Dmen prospects are LHD....Dermot and Valiev.
Sep. 22, 2016 at 9:11 a.m.
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I think an issue arises out of a lot of AGM's (including mine) where you know I obviously don't watch Winnipeg games, therefore Im not sure about value for their players as well as a Winny fan is, same goes for the Winnipeg fan about our players, because of this it could be a 1 for 1 Ehlers for Nylander trade and both teams feel like they're losing
Sep. 22, 2016 at 9:22 a.m.
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Better balance....the Leafs now have five RH shooting Dmen of the seven on the team. Why would the Leafs trade for another LWer (admitting Ehlers is good). JVR, Komalov, Martin, Greening and prospects to be Leafs Soshnikov, Johnson, Rychel, Lindberg, Leipsic are all left handed shots.
Trading the popular and gritty Komarov for a LHD prospect? Leafs two best Dmen prospects are LHD....Dermot and Valiev.


Because JVR is short-term and the rest of the guys you named are LONG shot prospects or depth players you don't want on the top line. Marner + Brown better than any combination you named long-term IMO.

As for RHD Polak is gone the following season. You replace him with a LHD and all of a sudden you have a very good D core with great balance.
Sep. 22, 2016 at 9:28 a.m.
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Better balance....the Leafs now have five RH shooting Dmen of the seven on the team. Why would the Leafs trade for another LWer (admitting Ehlers is good). JVR, Komalov, Martin, Greening and prospects to be Leafs Soshnikov, Johnson, Rychel, Lindberg, Leipsic are all left handed shots.
Trading the popular and gritty Komarov for a LHD prospect? Leafs two best Dmen prospects are LHD....Dermot and Valiev.


Morin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dermot right now. You can't just trust long shot prospects. Those guys help you further down the line
Sep. 22, 2016 at 9:32 a.m.
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Sorry but I agree, Morin isn't much better than Dermot if at all, he's definitely missed some development, Komarov is such a good player for us right now and brings some grit with him, we don't need more prospects
Sep. 22, 2016 at 9:39 a.m.
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Better balance....the Leafs now have five RH shooting Dmen of the seven on the team. Why would the Leafs trade for another LWer (admitting Ehlers is good). JVR, Komalov, Martin, Greening and prospects to be Leafs Soshnikov, Johnson, Rychel, Lindberg, Leipsic are all left handed shots.
Trading the popular and gritty Komarov for a LHD prospect? Leafs two best Dmen prospects are LHD....Dermot and Valiev.


Morin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dermot right now. You can't just trust long shot prospects. Those guys help you further down the line


Morin is starting his second season in the AHL, Dermot his first and Valiev his second. Not a good argument to think that Morin is much further along in his NHL readiness than the Leafs Dmen.
Consensus is that Morin is not NHL ready at the start of this season.
Sep. 22, 2016 at 9:42 a.m.
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Better balance....the Leafs now have five RH shooting Dmen of the seven on the team. Why would the Leafs trade for another LWer (admitting Ehlers is good). JVR, Komalov, Martin, Greening and prospects to be Leafs Soshnikov, Johnson, Rychel, Lindberg, Leipsic are all left handed shots.
Trading the popular and gritty Komarov for a LHD prospect? Leafs two best Dmen prospects are LHD....Dermot and Valiev.


Morin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dermot right now. You can't just trust long shot prospects. Those guys help you further down the line


Morin is starting his second season in the AHL, Dermot his first and Valiev his second. Not a good argument to think that Morin is much further along in his NHL readiness than the Leafs Dmen.
Consensus is that Morin is not NHL ready at the start of this season.


I think you misread. I labelled Dermot and Valiev as long shorts. High risk low floor players. Morin is not classified as such. He is going to be ready some time in 16/17. PHI is stacked at D and it could be hard for them to find room. We can....
Sep. 22, 2016 at 9:50 a.m.
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Sorry but I agree, Morin isn't much better than Dermot if at all, he's definitely missed some development, Komarov is such a good player for us right now and brings some grit with him, we don't need more prospects


Morin is so much better of a prospect than Dermot that I actually just LOL'd. He is not an offensive dman so Dermot has the potential to reach a higher ceiling. The thing is he won't be reaching that by 17/18 or even 18/19. Morin is almost ready today, has the draft pedigree, and according to everything I read had a very good 1st pro season. Enough to suggest his ceiling will be reached.

For example hockeysfuture has Dermot as a 7D vs Moring 7.5B. Morin also has a sneaky hard shot which could allow him to add some goals...
Sep. 22, 2016 at 10:00 a.m.
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I guess we'll know in 15 years. But it isn't true that Dermot is a high risk/low ceiling player. Dermot is considered a low risk player. To make your judgement on the on the often outdated "hockeyfuture" is not sound.
Judging by his Dermot's career in junior, he is a rising star....with fine skating and judgment. "Sneaky hard shot"....Morin scored 4 goals in the AHL last year.
Sep. 22, 2016 at 10:03 a.m.
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Still think Trouba signs for more then 5 years $25 million, Winnipeg has no use for Nylander with Connor and Laine making the squad. A deal around Gardiner+ should do the job.
Sep. 22, 2016 at 10:04 a.m.
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I guess we'll know in 15 years. But it isn't true that Dermot is a high risk/low ceiling player. Dermot is considered a low risk player. To make your judgement on the on the often outdated "hockeyfuture" is not sound.
Judging by his Dermot's career in junior, he is a rising star....with fine skating and judgment. "Sneaky hard shot"....Morin scored 4 goals in the AHL last year.


You are missing too much here. Morin was drafted 11th overall for a reason. He is the same quality player as he was then. If anything a redraft could see him higher. Dermot would NOT go 11th in a re draft. He may even still be in the 2nd round. To say he is not "high risk" is ridiculous. That is the reason he was not a 1st round talent. You are out to lunch on this one sorry, Palhal.

I by no means want to say I know the correct trade value. But I am right on these prospects.
Sep. 22, 2016 at 11:33 a.m.
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I think you are wrong on Dermott. ESPN has him ranked as 90th out of the top 120 prospects. For reference, Ryan Pulock is 94, Madison Bowey is 102, Roland McKeown is 109, Brandon Montour is 118. Morin isn't on the list. Morin projects to be more a shutdown guy, whereas Dermott is a puck mover, so maybe you can't really compare them anyways.
Sep. 22, 2016 at 12:08 p.m.
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I think you are wrong on Dermott. ESPN has him ranked as 90th out of the top 120 prospects. For reference, Ryan Pulock is 94, Madison Bowey is 102, Roland McKeown is 109, Brandon Montour is 118. Morin isn't on the list. Morin projects to be more a shutdown guy, whereas Dermott is a puck mover, so maybe you can't really compare them anyways.


Sorry but I don't trust ESPN's rankings. They rank based on ceilings and prefer high skill to any other skill. In most cases this is OK but often unfair to other prospects.

Again, never did I say he was a bad prospect. He is high risk, plays a totally different game, and is further away from being an impact player.
Sep. 22, 2016 at 12:13 p.m.
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The best part about all the chirps about Morin is that he is acquired for a very reasonable price IMO. Something PHI may even laugh at. But also possible it could happen due to Leo's cap hit and unique game.
Sep. 22, 2016 at 2:34 p.m.
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The best part about all the chirps about Morin is that he is acquired for a very reasonable price IMO. Something PHI may even laugh at. But also possible it could happen due to Leo's cap hit and unique game.


To me it's not necessarily the value that I don't like, I think Komarov is such a unique player and I would consider him for the time being "untouchable" and obviously I would but a team is going to have to SEVERELY overpay, it's just his value is what? a couple seconds at best? (comparing to Lars Eller trade) I would rather have Komarov
Sep. 22, 2016 at 3:05 p.m.
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leafs1967again. You trust "hockeysfuture but not "Espns" ratings... For ratings I really don't trust both.
Sep. 22, 2016 at 3:20 p.m.
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Who exactly do we trust then?

How can we make educated opinions?

Have any of us gone to see Morin play for more then the occasional AHL game between the Phantoms and Marlies or the videos we watched online?

Its not exactly like we have a plethora of data to choose from yet we still make up our own minds and have opinions anyway.

We don't trust Espn, we don't trust hockeysfuture. I ask again who do we trust?
Sep. 26, 2016 at 11:39 a.m.
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Who exactly do we trust then?

How can we make educated opinions?

Have any of us gone to see Morin play for more then the occasional AHL game between the Phantoms and Marlies or the videos we watched online?

Its not exactly like we have a plethora of data to choose from yet we still make up our own minds and have opinions anyway.

We don't trust Espn, we don't trust hockeysfuture. I ask again who do we trust?


I specifically stated that ESPN has flaws with overvaluing pure skill. Morin does not fit that mold so it would make sense why they would not like him.
 
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