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Trading Mantha to the Habs

Created by: Shanesaw9
Team: 2020-21 Detroit Red Wings
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 7, 2020
Published: Sep. 7, 2020
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A Mantha trade from the POV of Detroit. I'm a habs fan but I thought I'd try paint a picture of what this team could like like if they traded Mantha. In my opinion its pretty good (as long as they can land Hoffman).

Mantha trade helps this team long term. Allows DET to target a guy like Hoffman in free agency. Lots of teams tight against the cap, Hoffman will be looking to cash in on his last contract so DET has a shot I think. Replaces Mantha's goal scoring.

Picked up Shaw because him Domi and Drouin was MTL's top scoring line two years ago. If Zadina can be Drouin then that line should be money. Shaw and Domi have great chemistry. Domi put up 72 pts with him and Shaw was on pace for 60. If Josh Anderson is available he would also be a great fit.

Arizona trade gives them cap space to sign Hall. In return DET gets a good (but overpaid) veteran 3C and a good goalie (figure his value has to be similar to Jake Allen who only got a 3rd.)

Signed Gudas because he is is tough to play against, something DET really needs (and he also wouldn't get this contract anywhere else).

Signed Gustaffson because a lot of teams are down on him, just put up 60 pts and he only got traded for a 3rd. DET can get him if they are willing to pay (this is maybe over doing it idk).

Still have $4M to fill the last 3 spots with whoever. Lots of bad contracts coming off the books over the next two years so they don't have to worry about the guys they have to sign.
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Sep. 7, 2020 at 11:06 p.m.
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Cue the backlash from DET fans.

IMO hoffman would fit in just as good as Mantha. Adding Domi, a 16th overall pick, and Harris who has been ranked higher than Romanov by Scott Wheeler of the Athletic is money.
Sep. 7, 2020 at 11:08 p.m.
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Quoting: Shanesaw9
Cue the backlash from DET fans.

IMO hoffman would fit in just as good as Mantha. Adding Domi, a 16th overall pick, and Harris who has been ranked higher than Romanov by Scott Wheeler of the Athletic is money.


Good luck with other Detroit fans. I’ll be the one who puts it most nicely: no thank you, we pass, Mantha isn’t on the table
Sep. 7, 2020 at 11:09 p.m.
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Yeah for the last time, Domi in any deal for Mantha isn't happening. Suzuki would be in the ask for Mantha not Domi and MB would never do that.
Sep. 7, 2020 at 11:12 p.m.
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Wings pass on all deals except for Arizona deal.

Not signing Hoffman
Not signing gudas

Mantha trade isn't close to what the wings want if you aren't giving up suzuki, or kk to start, this conversation is over, we also would want primeau in any deal.

What you and the other habs fans don't seem to realize is that he is a core top power forward whose about to take it to the next level, we don't want to trade him and have no incentive to trade him. If you don't severely overpay without Domi who we want no part of, then you will never convince a red wing fan or get mantha on your team
Sep. 7, 2020 at 11:12 p.m.
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Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
Yeah for the last time, Domi in any deal for Mantha isn't happening. Suzuki would be in the ask for Mantha not Domi and MB would never do that.


You and I both know its not for the last time wink
Sep. 7, 2020 at 11:13 p.m.
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Could be about the worse post this month. Think the Domi trade and that 6m contract is bad, how about Gudbransson getting a 4.5m X 7 deal.
Sep. 7, 2020 at 11:15 p.m.
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Wings pass on all deals except for Arizona deal.

Not signing Hoffman
Not signing gudas

Mantha trade isn't close to what the wings want if you aren't giving up suzuki, or kk to start, this conversation is over, we also would want primeau in any deal.

What you and the other habs fans don't seem to realize is that he is a core top power forward whose about to take it to the next level, we don't want to trade him and have no incentive to trade him. If you don't severely overpay without Domi who we want no part of, then you will never convince a red wing fan or get mantha on your team


I like that ARZ deal for the wings. Was something I thought of when looking at ARZ's situation, its a good trade for both teams.
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Sep. 7, 2020 at 11:16 p.m.
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You and I both know its not for the last time wink


True, Just that Domi isn't a realistic piece for Mantha and anyone thinking that Domi and Mete get Mantha are even more crazy.
Sep. 7, 2020 at 11:17 p.m.
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Could be about the worse post this month. Think the Domi trade and that 6m contract is bad, how about Gudbransson getting a 4.5m X 7 deal.


yeah thats obviously an overpay, it's a quick exercise to show what kind of guys DET can target in free agency. The misfit toys types. He is an upgrade over most of their defenceman from last year.
Sep. 7, 2020 at 11:17 p.m.
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I like Mantha but not at that price,
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Sep. 7, 2020 at 11:21 p.m.
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Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
True, Just that Domi isn't a realistic piece for Mantha and anyone thinking that Domi and Mete get Mantha are even more crazy.


For what its worth the Athletic is what started it.

They straight up said "Maybe they could trade Domi and Mete for Mantha" in the article about MTL's offseason strategy. When qualifies writers like that make those suggestions a lot of fans are going to run with it.

They've also suggested trading Shaw (for picks and cap space) and acquiring Allen, and both of those things have happened. They're usually on with the strategies.
Sep. 7, 2020 at 11:21 p.m.
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yeah thats obviously an overpay, it's a quick exercise to show what kind of guys DET can target in free agency. The misfit toys types. He is an upgrade over most of their defenceman from last year.


Why don't the Wings just keep Mantha and still have cap to sign UFAs? I wouldn't touch Hoffman at 7m, or Gudbransson but there isn't that much UFA money to spent by many teams. Wings can do better.
Sep. 7, 2020 at 11:22 p.m.
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I like Mantha but not at that price,


thank you, its an overpayment.

I like Mantha enough to overpay. I'm just shocked at how negative the feedback is on a package like that for DET.
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Sep. 7, 2020 at 11:24 p.m.
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Why don't the Wings just keep Mantha and still have cap to sign UFAs? I wouldn't touch Hoffman at 7m, or Gudbransson but there isn't that much UFA money to spent by many teams. Wings can do better.


They are a tough sell to any UFA's. Also there are absolutely no centers available this year so acquiring Domi for a winger and then signing a winger makes sense.
Sep. 7, 2020 at 11:28 p.m.
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Quoting: Shanesaw9
thank you, its an overpayment.

I like Mantha enough to overpay. I'm just shocked at how negative the feedback is on a package like that for DET.

Same here, they're both top 6 forwards, Domi plays a more valuable positions, Domi has a SLIGHTLY higher career average points per game and Mantha's injury record is highly concerning.

Mantha clearly has the size advantage and I'd say a slightly higher potential ceiling. But considering his track record of injuries there's no way I'd do Domi++ where the ++ is a 1st and Harris. He's way too high risk to give up that many assets for.
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Sep. 7, 2020 at 11:31 p.m.
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Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
True, Just that Domi isn't a realistic piece for Mantha and anyone thinking that Domi and Mete get Mantha are even more crazy.


Why exactly is Domi not a realistic piece for Mantha? He is a year younger. Has played 115 more NHL games, has an identical PPG (despite playing more games at a younger age).

Mantha is a powerforward which is rare but top 6 C's are also rare (look how long its taken MTL to get depth at C).

It's total recency bias, one year ago DET would not have been able to trade Mantha for Domi straight up if they tried.
Sep. 7, 2020 at 11:31 p.m.
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They are a tough sell to any UFA's. Also there are absolutely no centers available this year so acquiring Domi for a winger and then signing a winger makes sense.


Trouble is, Domi isn't really a good centre. Wings got time, it's not Domi or Hoffman are going to get Wings to the playoffs. But I understand your logic. Wonder what available centre in 2021?
I wonder if any cap strapped teams will offer an acceptable centre (maybe not as good as Domi) "for free". Wings might need a couple of "caretaker" players before some of their youngsters become good and UFA money can be spent wisely.
Sep. 7, 2020 at 11:39 p.m.
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Trouble is, Domi isn't really a good centre. Wings got time, it's not Domi or Hoffman are going to get Wings to the playoffs. But I understand your logic. Wonder what available centre in 2021?
I wonder if any cap strapped teams will offer an acceptable centre (maybe not as good as Domi) "for free". Wings might need a couple of "caretaker" players before some of their youngsters become good and UFA money can be spent wisely.


Agree to disagree. Domi is a good center, he just had no wingers to work with this season... and Suzuki and Danault are just better centers. That’s not a knock on Domi, Danault is a top 5 Selke guy and Suzuki outplayed Pittsburgh and Philly.

And hoffman is just as good of a goal scorer as Mantha. He is no powerforward, but he can snipe. I dont see how $7M is an overpay for a consistent 30 goal guy. That's more than Mantha has shown to this point. Hoffman is arguably one of the top free agents this year and I can see him going to Detroit to cash in on his last contract. He is a good fit if he has a good playmaking C (Larkin or Domi). But if they wings keep Mantha he makes no sense as he is not going to work with their other C's.
Sep. 7, 2020 at 11:41 p.m.
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Agree to disagree. Domi is a good center, he just had no wingers to work with this season... and Suzuki and Danault are just better centers. That’s not a knock on Domi, Danault is a top 5 Selke guy and Suzuki outplayed Pittsburgh and Philly.

And hoffman is just as good of a goal scorer as Mantha. He is no powerforward, but he can snipe. I dont see how $7M is an overpay for a consistent 30 goal guy. That's more than Mantha has shown to this point. Hoffman is arguably one of the top free agents this year and I can see him going to Detroit to cash in on his last contract. He is a good fit if he has a good playmaking C (Larkin or Domi). But if they wings keep Mantha he makes no sense as he is not going to work with their other C's.


Thanks for banter about this trade. Good thoughts.
PS. Good luck to the Habs except when they play against the Leafs.
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Sep. 8, 2020 at 12:09 a.m.
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Look, the trade value is prob fine, it’s just that we overvalue him and don’t want to trade him... Hoffman is 31 starting next season so hard pass for a rebuilding Det team
Sep. 8, 2020 at 6:36 a.m.
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Quoting: Shanesaw9
For what its worth the Athletic is what started it.

They straight up said "Maybe they could trade Domi and Mete for Mantha" in the article about MTL's offseason strategy. When qualifies writers like that make those suggestions a lot of fans are going to run with it.
There's no way Yzerman moves Mantha for Domi and Mete that's not even remotely happening, Like i said Yzerman will want Suzuki not Domi and MB isn't doing that so there's no trade to be made here.
They've also suggested trading Shaw (for picks and cap space) and acquiring Allen, and both of those things have happened. They're usually on with the strategies.
 
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