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Rebuild Litmus Test

Created by: Connys_Cucks
Team: 2020-21 Calgary Flames
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 8, 2020
Published: Sep. 8, 2020
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I want to get a feel for what people think about these trades to kick-start a rebuild....if that became the route of the organization.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$3,000,000
2$950,000
2$750,000
1$1,125,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
4$5,000,000
4$3,750,000
2$900,000
2$2,750,000
3$3,250,000
Trades
1.
2.
CGY
  1. 2020 5th round pick (TOR)
3.
4.
CGY
  1. 2020 4th round pick (NYR)
Buyouts
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2020
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2021
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2022
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$71,064,999$0$882,500$10,435,001
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$7,000,000$7,000,000
RW
UFA - 2
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$5,350,000$5,350,000
C
NTC
UFA - 4
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 5
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$4,850,000$4,850,000
C, RW
UFA - 4
Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
$4,500,000$4,500,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$863,333$863,333
C
RFA - 2
$3,250,000$3,250,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Calgary Flames
$778,333$778,333 (Performance Bonus$32,500$32K)
LW, RW, C
RFA - 1
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$5,250,000$5,250,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 3
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$2,550,000$2,550,000
C
UFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
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$900,000$900,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$3,375,000$3,375,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD/RD
UFA - 4
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$1,375,000$1,375,000
G
UFA - 1
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$1,237,500$1,237,500
LD
UFA - 4
Logo of the Calgary Flames
$4,550,000$4,550,000
RD
UFA - 6
Logo of the Calgary Flames
$3,750,000$3,750,000
LD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Calgary Flames
$2,750,000$2,750,000
G
UFA - 3
Logo of the Calgary Flames
$894,166$894,166 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
LD
RFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
RD
RFA - 1

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Sep. 8, 2020 at 1:51 a.m.
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Lol Cozens is one of the best prospects in the world. No way the sabres would trade him
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Sep. 8, 2020 at 1:55 a.m.
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Quoting: NixJets
Lol Cozens is one of the best prospects in the world. No way the sabres would trade him


There has been speculation on it (not just from Armchair Gm lol), Sabres get a reasonable contract to complete their 1/2 down the middle.
Sep. 8, 2020 at 2:05 a.m.
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Not getting enough for Monahan + Kylington

Getting to much for Gaudreau
Sep. 8, 2020 at 2:16 a.m.
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Quoting: ChuckyCheese
There has been speculation on it (not just from Armchair Gm lol), Sabres get a reasonable contract to complete their 1/2 down the middle.


Which would mean trading Mittlestadt not cozens.
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Sep. 8, 2020 at 2:17 a.m.
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Quoting: NixJets
Lol Cozens is one of the best prospects in the world. No way the sabres would trade him


No hes one of the best drafted prospects with zero pro years in the world. Frankly that list isnt that hard to be on top of. Give it a month and he will be pushed way down on that list
Sep. 8, 2020 at 2:18 a.m.
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Quoting: Sabres923
Which would mean trading Mittlestadt not cozens.


Mittelstadt may get you a change in scenery player like Lias Andersson. He doesnt start the conversation for a legitimate 1C in their prime.
Sep. 8, 2020 at 2:26 a.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Mittelstadt may get you a change in scenery player like Lias Andersson. He doesnt start the conversation for a legitimate 1C in their prime.

They would obviously have to add. But sabres are not trading Cozens. They have 4 untouchables
Eichel
Dahlin
Cozens
Jokiharju.
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Sep. 8, 2020 at 2:28 a.m.
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Quoting: Sabres923
They would obviously have to add. But sabres are not trading Cozens. They have 4 untouchables
Eichel
Dahlin
Cozens
Jokiharju.


Well I hope Cozens can make the jump next year from the WHL. Because you arent getting Monahan without him
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Sep. 8, 2020 at 2:30 a.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Well I hope Cozens can make the jump next year from the WHL. Because you arent getting Monahan without him

That’s fine. He’s coming off a down year anyway.
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Sep. 8, 2020 at 2:35 a.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Well I hope Cozens can make the jump next year from the WHL. Because you arent getting Monahan without him


People always want the other team's best prospect in trades and they never get it.
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Sep. 8, 2020 at 2:37 a.m.
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Quoting: DongLord23
People always want the other team's best prospect in trades and they never get it.


Um yeah, thats usually what happens when Team B is getting Team A's 25 year old 1C with 3 years of term.
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Sep. 8, 2020 at 2:39 a.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Um yeah, thats usually what happens when Team B is getting Team A's 25 year old 1C with 3 years of term.


If you do trade Monahan you're gonna be underwhelmed in what you get
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Sep. 8, 2020 at 2:41 a.m.
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Quoting: DongLord23
If you do trade Monahan you're gonna be underwhelmed in what you get


I'd take that bet
Sep. 8, 2020 at 2:47 a.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
I'd take that bet


If he was a more well-rounded player he'd probably get a good return. But a bad defensive center coming off a rough season + a 6.3m cap hit and it's hard to see him getting more than a conditional 1st + roster player + a meh prospect.
Sep. 8, 2020 at 2:47 a.m.
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If the Flyers gave up that much for Johnny, Chuck Fletcher should be run out of town. Konecny isn't far off Johnny in terms of what he brings, and TK has more grit to his game than Johnny. Frost and York are two top notch level prospects. Extreme overpay. You'd be lucky to get Konecny and one of those prospects, and even that is an overpay. Zero chance you'd get Konecny and both of those prospects.

In all honesty, the fit between philly and johnny is the hometown connection only. He doesn't really move the needle much for us to be honest. He's an overrated player. The package you have outlined should give the flyers an elite player.
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Sep. 8, 2020 at 5:29 a.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Mittelstadt may get you a change in scenery player like Lias Andersson. He doesnt start the conversation for a legitimate 1C in their prime.


If Monahan was a “legitimate 1C” then the Flames wouldn’t be trading him... more like “disappointing 1C”

And i sure hope there’s no way we give up Cozens (or our 1st this year) for him
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Sep. 8, 2020 at 5:35 a.m.
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Quoting: Mintyfresh
If the Flyers gave up that much for Johnny, Chuck Fletcher should be run out of town. Konecny isn't far off Johnny in terms of what he brings, and TK has more grit to his game than Johnny. Frost and York are two top notch level prospects. Extreme overpay. You'd be lucky to get Konecny and one of those prospects, and even that is an overpay. Zero chance you'd get Konecny and both of those prospects.

In all honesty, the fit between philly and johnny is the hometown connection only. He doesn't really move the needle much for us to be honest. He's an overrated player. The package you have outlined should give the flyers an elite player.


Nice “homer” take
Sep. 8, 2020 at 5:54 a.m.
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Quoting: Jdfitz77
If Monahan was a “legitimate 1C” then the Flames wouldn’t be trading him... more like “disappointing 1C”

And i sure hope there’s no way we give up Cozens (or our 1st this year) for him


Flames aren't trading him...
You would be lucky if Cozens or #8 ends up as good as Monahan
Sep. 8, 2020 at 5:56 a.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Flames aren't trading him...
You would be lucky if Cozens or #8 ends up as good as Monahan


Fine with me
Keep your disappointing 1C
I’d rather have Cozens for the next 10+ years
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Sep. 8, 2020 at 7:35 a.m.
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Quoting: Jdfitz77
Fine with me
Keep your disappointing 1C
I’d rather have Cozens for the next 10+ years


Well i hope you can keep Eichel for the next 2 then without him demanding a trade
Sep. 8, 2020 at 7:55 a.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Well i hope you can keep Eichel for the next 2 then without him demanding a trade

No, you don’t. 😆
Sep. 8, 2020 at 8:09 a.m.
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No, you don’t. 😆


Eichel for Monahan confirmed. Flames get fleeced for the mighty Sean Monahan.
Sep. 8, 2020 at 11:58 a.m.
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Quoting: Jdfitz77
Nice “homer” take


It's a "homer" take to think Johnny at this point is worth that much. Konecny outplayed him in the regular season this year. You aren't going to get Konecny plus our 2 best prospects. That package deserves something that impacts our team a little more.
Sep. 8, 2020 at 4:11 p.m.
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No, you don’t. 😆


?
Why wouldn't I? Buffalo games are significantly cheaper to go see than my local Leafs games
Sep. 8, 2020 at 7:22 p.m.
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Quoting: Mintyfresh
It's a "homer" take to think Johnny at this point is worth that much. Konecny outplayed him in the regular season this year. You aren't going to get Konecny plus our 2 best prospects. That package deserves something that impacts our team a little more.


Yeah dude... it’s “homer” af
Konecny having ONE season of better stats doesn’t make him a better player

And I’m not a Flames fan saying this
It’s obvious
 
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