Keeping Pietrangelo After Allen Trade and Tarasenko Injury

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Created by: dp6154

Team: 2020-21 St. Louis Blues

Initial Creation Date: Sep. 8, 2020

Published: Sep. 8, 2020

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

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Keeping Pietreangelo,
This is a fresh look after the Allen trade also knowing Tarasenko's health. Also obviously the Blues will get Tarasenko hopefully back as some sort of somewhat impactful player the end of next year but that is no guarantee and they won fine without him so they won't dump like a first on it but they will be looking for a young, cheap offensive talent. I think Dube fits well there in a team that would be interested in one of Gunnarsson or Bortuzzo and the Blues would be happy to give up a 3rd there. I'm sure Calgary is somewhat high on him but I think for a D upgrade and ta 3rd they let that little window in 2-3 years take a dip for improvement now and possibly in 3-5 years

The Tarasenko trade to Ottawa for nothing and signing of a made up tarasenko for 1 year at half the cost is a stand in for LTIR and you should mentally apply his 7.5M in future years and not think I'm handing Tarasenko to Ottawa and making a guy up (I know but how many people don't read these descriptions)
Also I know the Blues don't get a 4th scratch, that's again to facilitate the second half of the season Tarasenko Salary after LTIR

Free Agent Signings

RFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
De La Rose, Jacob	1	$1,000,000
Reinke, Mitch	2	$800,000
Dotchin, Jake	1	$750,000
Walman, Jake	1	$900,000
Dunn, Vince	1	$2,490,000

UFA		YEARS	CAP HIT
Pietrangelo, Alex		8	$8,750,000

CREATED		YEARS	CAP HIT
Tarasenko, Vladimr		1	$3,750,000
Steen, Alexander		1	$750,000

Trades

STL

OTT

Tarasenko, Vladimir

Additional Details:

a buyout leaves too much money to do this, but I think Tarasenko is on LTIR for about half the season so a created Tarasenko signed for 1 year 3.75M is a stand in for the LTIR and this trade is a dump of that

STL

Engvall, Pierre
2020 2nd round pick (TOR)

Additional Details:

allows Tornto to move on of the pricier LDs

TOR

Bortuzzo, Robert
2020 3rd round pick (WSH)

Buyouts

Alexander Steen: $3,416,667

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2020
2021
2022

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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TEXT-EMBED

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
24	$81,500,000	$76,178,015	$306,349	$425,000	$5,321,985

Roster

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Schwartz, Jaden $5,350,000$5,350,000 LW M-NTC UFA - 1	O'Reilly, Ryan $1,875,000$1,875,000 C UFA - 3	Perron, David $4,000,000$4,000,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 2
Sanford, Zachary $1,500,000$1,500,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Schenn, Brayden $6,500,000$6,500,000 C, LW NTC UFA - 8	Engvall, Pierre $1,250,000$1,250,000 RW, LW UFA - 2
Bozak, Tyler $5,000,000$5,000,000 C, RW M-NTC UFA - 1	Thomas, Robert $894,166$894,166 ($425,000$425K) C, RW UFA - 1	Kyrou, Jordan $758,333$758,333 RW UFA - 1
Steen, Alexander $750,000$750,000	Sundqvist, Oskar $2,750,000$2,750,000 RW, C UFA - 3	Barbashev, Ivan $1,475,000$1,475,000 LW, RW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Gunnarsson, Carl $1,750,000$1,750,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 1	Pietrangelo, Alex $8,750,000$8,750,000 RD UFA - 7	Binnington, Jordan $4,400,000$4,400,000 G UFA - 1
Scandella, Marco $3,275,000$3,275,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 4	Parayko, Colton $5,500,000$5,500,000 RD UFA - 2	Husso, Ville $750,000$750,000 G UFA - 2
	Faulk, Justin $6,500,000$6,500,000 RD NTC UFA - 7
Dunn, Vince $2,490,000$2,490,000 LD/RD UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Mikkola, Niko $787,500$787,500 LD UFA - 2
Tarasenko, Vladimr $3,750,000$3,750,000
MacEachern, Mackenzie $900,000$900,000 LW, RW UFA - 2
Blais, Samuel $1,500,000$1,500,000 LW, RW UFA - 2

Special Teams

Power Play 1
Schwartz, J.	O'Reilly, R.		Perron, D.
		Schenn, B.

Power Play 2
Bozak, T.	Thomas, R.		Kyrou, J.
		Faulk, J.

Penalty Kill 1
	Barbashev, I.	Sundqvist, O.
	Scandella, M.	Parayko, C.

Penalty Kill 2
	Steen, A.	O'Reilly, R.

Sep. 8, 2020 at 12:35 p.m.

Alfie11

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Calgary is not trading Dube at all, and has no interest in trading for what would be their 6LD

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Sep. 8, 2020 at 12:35 p.m.

ElPhantasmo

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Quoting: Alfie11

Calgary is not trading Dube at all, and has no interest in trading for what would be their 6LD

Beat me to it.

Sep. 8, 2020 at 12:39 p.m.

Blueman96

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I did a "Tarasenko to LTIR" interactive GM team with a stupid long explanation. I don't think anything more complicated needs to happen than Tarasenko just going on LTIR. If I'm correct in my understanding, the Blues could exceed the cap by that number.

There's no question Tank will start next season (whenever that is) on LTIR. The $7.5 million AAV question is when he'll be ready to get back on the ice. In bluntly short terms I advocated for assuming he's LTIR the whole year and if he's not then it's a pleasant surprise and you figure the cap implications then. But you approach the offseason with the belief you will have his full cap hit as cap relief. Considering this is his 3rd surgery on that shoulder in a 18 month timeframe I don't think that stance is as aggressive as some people who disagree with me would claim.

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Sep. 8, 2020 at 12:54 p.m.

BadTradePolice

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Quoting: Blueman96

i mean theyll actually have to move someone if he does comes off it later during the season, but either way him going on LTIR buys them so much time and gives them way more flexibility

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Sep. 8, 2020 at 1:03 p.m.

Blueman96

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Quoting: yeeeeeeeeeetttt

i mean theyll actually have to move someone if he does comes off it later during the season, but either way him going on LTIR buys them so much time and gives them way more flexibility

With Petro at $9, Dunn at $3.5, and having moved ONLY Jake Allen, with a healthy scratch forward and D-man the Blues would have to clear a hair over $5 million AAV to re-add Tank to the lineup.

No question they'd have to move someone(s). Not ideal, not great. Not impossible. But like I say, that may legitimately never happen and it gives the Blues immediate flexibility and like you say: time. Now the obvious downside would be if Tank is ready and wants to come back you're reliant on a team making a trade with you knowing you HAVE to clear space, so the price would be high.

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Sep. 8, 2020 at 1:07 p.m.

BadTradePolice

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Quoting: Blueman96

i do think they have suitors for guys like bozak though especially once they get into season and some competitive teams find out their 3c spot is weak.

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Sep. 8, 2020 at 1:15 p.m.

Blueman96

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Quoting: yeeeeeeeeeetttt

i do think they have suitors for guys like bozak though especially once they get into season and some competitive teams find out their 3c spot is weak.

Yup! Just takes a single team with a key injury at a spot they need help and then a deal gets done. I'm not saying it'll be easy! But it's a plan anyway. And then you don't lost Petro and sit there staring at Tank on LTIR all year (maybe) from complications, and have an extra $5 million in cap space... etc etc

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Sep. 8, 2020 at 1:17 p.m.

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Quoting: Blueman96

exactly, and even then i think the blues would just pony up and move a third along with bozak before they really consider trading CP

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Sep. 8, 2020 at 2:31 p.m.

dp6154

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dp6154

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Quoting: Alfie11

Calgary is not trading Dube at all, and has no interest in trading for what would be their 6LD

they're no doubt bringing back Forbort and Gustafsson and you think Gunnarsson is worse than both + Hanifin + Kylington ?! (he's probably better than every LD on that roster save obviously Giordano).

That said not interested in losing Dube is fair. I thought it was a fair value and good fit but I don't know every FOs believe in their own respective prospects and even if fans usually waaaaaaay overrate their own prospects or own Gms love of them, it is a thing and other teams fans are going to be the best source of info
So, thank you for the feedback

Sep. 8, 2020 at 2:34 p.m.

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Quoting: Blueman96

yeah that was the main part of this though finding a young offensive forward for a team that wants a D was a big deal too and that's an open question. I know Tarasenko is estimated out until at least the end of March and with the season next year starting in dEcember or January and trying to be completed including playoffs by august I assumed end of June/mid July so it was at least half the season on LTIR, and everything after that is either cap gravy or hopefully good again (obviously won't be THAT kind of good agan) Tarasenko

Sep. 8, 2020 at 2:38 p.m.

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Alfie11

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Quoting: dp6154

I don’t think Gunnarsson is better than Gio, Hanifin, or Valimaki is right now, and while he might be better than Kylington or Mackey, they’re younger, cheaper, more promising, and don’t require assets to acquire since one’s an RFA and the other is signed already. I doubt we bring back Forbort, and if we bring back Gus it’ll be to play 3RD/PP1 in a limited role that makes full use of his offensive capabilities so there isn’t a conflict there but that’s kinda beside the point. Regarding Dube, he’s proven he’s a more than capable 3rd liner and with his speed and skill he projects to break into the top 6 soon. We don’t have very many young forwards that project as top 6 players so we can’t afford to trade the ones we do have for aging rentals

Sep. 8, 2020 at 2:53 p.m.

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dp6154

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Quoting: Alfie11

ok well I strongly disagree on the value of Gunnarsson but I do appreciate the feedback and I have edited looking at Toronto because I didn't realize that Dube was that highly thought of in the org. Thank you

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