these are all really skewed in favor of the Pens, don't even think Burakovsky or Turcotte would be available for trade

I wish Pens fans would understand that Rossi has wrote Letang will be traded articles every year since 2013....

IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN

If the Pens trade Letang I want one really good prospect coming back. Remove the 2nd if needed. I like Turcottes game for what the Pens need now and what they might need in 3 years.

The Avs trade is really a matter of what the Avs really want. Do they believe Murray is the quiet goalie that can get Mack a cup? They also have to start deciding who they are going to pay bc their roster is full of young talent. Burakovsky is an RFA. Zadorov is going to want some cash. Graves will need paid. Makar. Mackinnon is approaching his massive deal even.

I think now is the time the Avs start thinking long-term and what guys they want to lock down. If AB isn't worth this to them, maybe they move him in a deal for Murray and Mccann, who could go back to the wing in Colorado and get paid less.

Not sure it needs to happen. But these guys have all been in the chatter recently. Like I stated in my previous comment, this is the type of deal I'd be okay with if the Pens do want to move him. You need to get a stud prospect coming back.

This might be one of the worst Murray to the avs trades yet

Welcome to the Avs troll everyone. Where McDavid for Zadorov and Nieto is the only fair trade...

Avs don’t want Murray and they aren’t trading burakovsky,
It’s not a hard concept to figure out.

And no I never make those claims just when the same awful trade is being made dozens of times a day it will get commented on for being awful

You have one of the top drafted prospects in the nhl from a rebuilding team coming back for Letang, definitional of fantasy land stuff with this roster

Well, about 4 different journalists have linked the two for MM specifically. I believe them more than you.

You might not trade Burakovsky, but you will need to trade someone in the next year or so to pay everyone.

Burakovsky will likely ask for 5 to 5.5 mill per and some term.

Rust is historically better than him every year. He has a better team deal than i have Burakovsky signing... And people have Rust going for washed up prospects regularly. I gave you two NHL guys that can actually play.

Kings aren't going to trade Turcotte for a 33 year old defenseman with injury issues.

I explained my rationale for that. The only way you trade Letang is if you are getting a prospect with an extremely high ceiling coming back or you make a deal for two cost-effective players, like a 3C and a 2nd pairing RD. I see the prospect scenario more likely. Letang was linked to the Kings last year bc ownership is supposedly very impatient with the process of being terrible after being elite for a few years.

No one has actually linked them, they are speculating bc avs goalies got hurt, lazy click bait reporting from 2 bit beat writers and that includes a avs Adrian dater who has been caught making up rumour for clicks before

Don’t give a crap about rust. That’s irrelevant to avs keeping their player in bura who they can pay him

McCann is another 3rd line tweener, more the same that avs have on the 3rd line

That’s why it’s awful, a goalie they don’t want or need and another middle 6 winger In a deal that includes a guy they do need I’m bura

It’s a fat no

Can you name those journalists? I only recall this rumour starting from PIThockeyNow which is Adrian Dater's friend and colleage. So basically it's Adrian Dater making up unfounded rumours... again.

Burakovsky just had a season pacing 64points, and scored 17 goals in 15 playoff games. In his career he also hsa 9 goals in 9 elimination games, including 4 goals in 6 game 7's. If he can keep that up going forward it will be great value at 5-5.5.

Rust is older and only has 1 season playing on Malkins line with good scoring, and crucially only has 2 year term.

Turcotte for Letang would be a terrible deal for a rebuilding team like LAK.

Rust is like 2 years older, played roughly the same amount of games this year and produced more, has two years of term, unlike Burakovsky who has none, I know they do have rights, and Rust is known as a big game player. I don't know the total for Rust, but I do remmeber against Tampa he scored 3 goals in game 6 and 7 alone.

They are comparable. If anything, Rust might be the more complete player because be consistently has more points and he plays PK and blocks shots.

I gave a pretty good package compared to what people generally give Rust in value.

What does Rust have to do with this trade anyways? He's not part of the trade so why are we discussing him?

Your offer is Murray + McCann + 2nd, which just doesn't move the needle. McCann is your health scratch in the playoffs, and Murray will want a huge contract and has arbitration rights. We're not giving up Burakovsky for that.

I'm just saying.. People give far less for Rust, including some Avs fans the past year, and he is a comparable player.

That was all my point was. There are obviously GMs out there that feel the same way I do about MM. He still performs well, if not miraculous, when the games matter. The issue is getting him to be consistent and a great coach could get that out of MM.

How many goalies win 3 cups? It is a very short list. Personally, I'd trade Jarry in a heartbeat and get a specialist to come work with MM. This is just the type of deal I'd be able to stomach as a Pens fan.

I hope I'm wrong and the Pens keep him. But with the goalie coach being retained, it is almost a lock that Jarry is the guy staying.

Rust is older, only has 2 years to UFA, and has only one season of production next to Malkin no less. It's no surprise you won't get huge offers for him.

How many goalies have played on a team with 2 generational C's? Pens never won the cup because of great defense.

Hahahaha. This is laughable. Go watch the games outside of your team buddy. The Pens won cups because of defense and forecheck.

Matt Murray pitched back to back shutouts to put the Preds away for a title. 120 minutes of zero goals to end the freaking season on top. No.. Defense never won anything for the Pens.

I like the Avs, I love Mackinnon.. But you guys just played a joke of a defensive series and you really think you can say the Pens have never won with D?

Get out of town. Glad to know you don't watch other teams win cups, because you obviously didn't watch the Pens cup runs.

I'm glad you aren't Joe and management, because they see what the team needs. Colorado deserves people who actually know the game and other teams.

They also eliminated the Sens 3-2 in double OT that year. They eliminated the Caps and held them to one goal I believe.

They won games 4 and 6 of the San Jose series 3-1. Wins 3 and 4 for the Pens in that cup final. But yeah. No defense at all 😂😂😂

What I meant is that Pens won cups without having an elite D. You had Letang but other than him I don't think you can argue that you had a truly great D group. Being great on the forecheck and playing team defense doesn't necessarliy mean that your D group is great.

Your post had nothing to do with elite D-men. You referenced two generational center and implied that the Pens outscored people, not that MM and the team defense made the difference most nights.

The Pens had Dumoulin, Ian Cole, who you know very well now, Lovejoy, Daley, Hainsey. Guys who did a really good job on the backend. The Pens better defensive year actually came with Letang being injured. So no "stars" on the team D. Just great team D and a goalie that made you beat him on either a perfect shot or a rebound. He still does that when the games become large. Look at the Isles and Habs series the past two years. He isn't the reason the Pens lost. The Pens have the opposite problem of the Avs right now. The Avs are a little too hungry and overaggressive sometimes. The Pens skaters haven't had the same edge the last couple of years. You don't win a lot of playoff games scoring 0,1, or 2. The Pens hvae struggled hitting that magical 3 mark. The Avs have not. MM would be perfect for a team that just needs to be a little tighter on the back end. The Pens seem unwilling to do that for him but the Avs could be great for it.

Well I guess you taught me! lol

Thanks for filling me in on some history

Regarding Murray, the issue I see is that he's going to want a big money contract just 1 year from UFA with arbitration rights. He knows that he's had a down season so wants to cash in now while he can still lean on his 2 cups. We have Annunen on the way in ~2 years so it might not be prudent to make any long-term big-money moves. A $6m goaltender signed throughout our cup window simply HAS to be a hit, because if he fails and plays at a backup level well then that's a huge dent in our cup chances.

Now, if the price to acquire Murray is reasonably cheap (i.e. not Burakovsky), and he is willing to sign a reasonable contract (<$5.5m x <5 years), then I'd think about it. But I doubt he takes that deal and I doubt JR wants what we would be offering for Murray.

It might take less than that. This is just what my ask would be. Haha. I wouldn't let him go for nothing or to get rid of him. He still has the capacity to win 3-1 and 4-3 playoff games. He needs a better effort in front of him, though. And he can only steal 1 game per series in all likelihood. For supremely talented teams, like a team with Mack, Mak, Rant, Land, etc. All of your fun young talent ans Landeskog as the de facto old gun just bc the rest of the squad is so young, MM could be a great guy in your system.

If the Avs are interested, I'm sure guys like Cole are pushing for him.

I'm sure Murray would be fine backstopping a team that puts up 3-4 goals a game. But so would Grubauer. It's a shame that he got injured but that could happen to any goalie; we were just very unfortunate.

It is a shame that he got hurt.. But.. At the same time. Grubauer has never led a team to the end.