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Sep. 9, 2020 at 3:05 p.m.
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NOT. EVEN. CLOSE.
Sep. 9, 2020 at 3:09 p.m.
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Take JVR out of the deal, add Nolan Patrick and Joel Ferabee, and you’re closer.
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Sep. 9, 2020 at 3:09 p.m.
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It would cost at least 4 firsts, someone to fill his spot and a prospects to get him away. Thats like asking what it would take to get McDavid (yes I know they arent the same)
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Sep. 9, 2020 at 3:22 p.m.
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Quoting: Hoff
It would cost at least 4 firsts, someone to fill his spot and a prospects to get him away. Thats like asking what it would take to get McDavid (yes I know they arent the same)


Frost (1st), Sanheim (1st), and 2 firsts...that's what the trade is plus they get a capable middle 6 winger. If you think you are getting a 1C in a return for Eichel along with all this then I'm not sure what you are smoking.
Sep. 9, 2020 at 3:25 p.m.
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Take JVR out of the deal, add Nolan Patrick and Joel Ferabee, and you’re closer.


LMFAO, closer? You get a solid 2nd pairing D, a prospect that has 1C potential, 2 1sts and a capable middle 6 winger. BUF could really use all this to maybe push them into the playoffs in 2-3 years because they sure aren't close now!
Sep. 9, 2020 at 3:33 p.m.
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You could offer the entire roster and people would laugh at the offer, that's the nature of shooting your shot with a player like Eichel. The truth is a blue chip prospect, a young defenseman with top pairing upside, 2 firsts and a good player who can step into the lineup and produce to offset the cap is an insane return, and if Eichel is truly upset to a point where he wants to leave and they decide to start the rebuild over again I think they at least consider this
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Sep. 9, 2020 at 3:40 p.m.
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You could offer the entire roster and people would laugh at the offer, that's the nature of shooting your shot with a player like Eichel. The truth is a blue chip prospect, a young defenseman with top pairing upside, 2 firsts and a good player who can step into the lineup and produce to offset the cap is an insane return, and if Eichel is truly upset to a point where he wants to leave and they decide to start the rebuild over again I think they at least consider this


Thank you for the well thought out comment...seems to be quite rare.
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Sep. 9, 2020 at 3:51 p.m.
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LMFAO, closer? You get a solid 2nd pairing D, a prospect that has 1C potential, 2 1sts and a capable middle 6 winger. BUF could really use all this to maybe push them into the playoffs in 2-3 years because they sure aren't close now!


Why trade for a potential #1 center when we already have a #1 center? and when I said 4 first i meant 2 more on top of the 2 already presented.
Sep. 9, 2020 at 3:57 p.m.
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Why trade for a potential #1 center when we already have a #1 center? and when I said 4 first i meant 2 more on top of the 2 already presented.


!C, 2C doesn't matter. Look at the Leafs, they have Matthews and Tavares. It's not like the guy playing on the "2nd" line will play less ice-time or anything. As for adding another 2 1st, that is just asinine. You want 4 1sts plus a top prospect plus a 2nd pairing young D man (at worst)...way too much for a disgruntled player.
Sep. 9, 2020 at 4:30 p.m.
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Again, no sign of anything intelligent...


You're getting a top 10 C in the league and all you're giving is an overpaid middle 6 winger (he'd deserve 5,25 mil for 2 more years, not the deal he has), a potential 2C, a number 2-3 caliber d-man and 2 firsts. Yeah, add a lot if you really want to get him
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Sep. 9, 2020 at 4:31 p.m.
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!C, 2C doesn't matter. Look at the Leafs, they have Matthews and Tavares. It's not like the guy playing on the "2nd" line will play less ice-time or anything. As for adding another 2 1st, that is just asinine. You want 4 1sts plus a top prospect plus a 2nd pairing young D man (at worst)...way too much for a disgruntled player.


«a disgruntled player you say»??????

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Dude was the only one constantly playing at a first line (or more) rate this season LOL, he was better than EVERY SINGLE forward from PHI and no one's even close
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Sep. 9, 2020 at 4:33 p.m.
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You're getting a top 10 C in the league and all you're giving is an overpaid middle 6 winger (he'd deserve 5,25 mil for 2 more years, not the deal he has), a potential 2C, a number 2-3 caliber d-man and 2 firsts. Yeah, add a lot if you really want to get him


Well first of all, Frost as 1C potential. A top 2-3 D man is not easy to come by and ya JVR is overpaid but that doesn't matter when BUF has cap space and he is still a decent player. Clearly you don't value anyone who, currently, isn't a top line player or top pairing D man.
Sep. 9, 2020 at 4:33 p.m.
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
«a disgruntled player you say»??????

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Dude was the only one constantly playing at a first line (or more) rate this season LOL, he was better than EVERY SINGLE forward from PHI and no one's even close


You should look up the word "disgruntled". Pretty sure everyone who knows hockey understands that Eichel is not happy in BUF. But please go on...
Sep. 9, 2020 at 4:34 p.m.
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You should look up the word "disgruntled". Pretty sure everyone who knows hockey understands that Eichel is not happy in BUF. But please go on...


If he wasn't, he wouldn't be producing at such a rate he's been producing at. The fact that I have to point this out just shows the level of maturity you have and it's depressing
Sep. 9, 2020 at 4:37 p.m.
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Well first of all, Frost as 1C potential. A top 2-3 D man is not easy to come by and ya JVR is overpaid but that doesn't matter when BUF has cap space and he is still a decent player. Clearly you don't value anyone who, currently, isn't a top line player or top pairing D man.


Get your Flyers glasses off mate. Frost has turned 21 a few months ago yet his NHL career hs just started. He'll become a great 2nd liner no doubt but literally nothing points to him having top line potential, unless a team would play him with like Panarin and MacKinnon of course.

Also BUF already has vastly overpaid players such as Okposo and Skinner, they have no use for another and JVR doesn't do sh*t to help them fill the void left behind by Eichel leaving
Sep. 9, 2020 at 4:42 p.m.
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
If he wasn't, he wouldn't be producing at such a rate he's been producing at. The fact that I have to point this out just shows the level of maturity you have and it's depressing


If you truly think that Eichel doesn't want out of BUF then I don't know what to tell you. He is a hockey player! He will go out and play hard even if he is pissed off. I bet he doesn't make it through next offseason without being traded.
Sep. 9, 2020 at 4:43 p.m.
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Thank you for the well thought out comment...seems to be quite rare.
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Sep. 9, 2020 at 4:44 p.m.
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If you truly think that Eichel doesn't want out of BUF then I don't know what to tell you. He is a hockey player! He will go out and play hard even if he is pissed off. I bet he doesn't make it through next offseason without being traded.


Being frustrated with the way your team plays and wanting changes doesn't necessarily mean wanting out of (in this case) BUF
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Sep. 9, 2020 at 5:00 p.m.
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NOT. EVEN. CLOSE.

Read my reply to Dirty
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LOL

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Nope

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Take JVR out of the deal, add Nolan Patrick and Joel Ferabee, and you’re closer.

Yup, I agree, Read my reply to Dirty
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It would cost at least 4 firsts, someone to fill his spot and a prospects to get him away. Thats like asking what it would take to get McDavid (yes I know they arent the same)

Read my reply to Dirty
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Lol

Read my reply to Dirty
Quoting: DH28Hockey
You could offer the entire roster and people would laugh at the offer, that's the nature of shooting your shot with a player like Eichel. The truth is a blue chip prospect, a young defenseman with top pairing upside, 2 firsts and a good player who can step into the lineup and produce to offset the cap is an insane return, and if Eichel is truly upset to a point where he wants to leave and they decide to start the rebuild over again I think they at least consider this

No of course that would be silly, but for someone as good as Eichel one needs to give up real talent.
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LMFAO, closer? You get a solid 2nd pairing D, a prospect that has 1C potential, 2 1sts and a capable middle 6 winger. BUF could really use all this to maybe push them into the playoffs in 2-3 years because they sure aren't close now!

Sure it appears to be a good offer in your mind because you made it.
How many of the people who commented to your offer were not Sabre fans, who all agree this is not enough.
You say 2 firsts are included, this years 23 OA and next years with Eichel replacing JVR, I think you are looking at Philadelphia being in the final four, so really 2 picks that are closer to seconds than good first round picks.
You are certainly correct Frost has top line center capabilities, but as I watch more playoffs, I see just how good Eichel really is. In fact he is the Sabres entire offense.
Frost will not replace that.
Sanheim also appears to be a good LHD something Buffalo needs. Or do they need a top LHD with Dahlin? A solid RW would fill the bill better
He would certainly add depth, but he is not an upgrade over our current LHD, Dahlin
JVR is very talented and I would love to have him if Buffalo did not already have Olofsson, Skinner and Kahun.
IMO if Philadelphia really wanted Eichel it would have to be:
2020, and 2021 first round picks (because both of these are going to be really closer to 2nd rounders),
Konecny
Sanheim
Frost
Patrick
If you want to include JVR (or Gostisbehere) it would only be as a cap reduction not to add value to the trade.
BTW YES Jack is that good. He does not have a single player even close to his talent level on this team.
BTW if you check out what it cost to get Lindros = for Chris Simon, Mike Ricci, Kerry Huffman, Ron Hextall, Peter Forsberg, Steve Duchesne, future considerations, round 1 pick in the 1993 draft, round 1 pick in the 1994 draft and cash, the offer I have above may not be close.
BTW Lindros was only a great prospect, he never played a single NHL game, Jack is signed and is a proven starter. After watching the playoffs, he is the best player I have watched no one comes close.
EDIT another thought about the Lindros trade, he said he would never play for Quebec, Eichel has not announced this, so the offer would be to PRY him out of Buffalo, so MUCH more than it cost to get Lindros.
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Why trade for a potential #1 center when we already have a #1 center? and when I said 4 first i meant 2 more on top of the 2 already presented.

Read my reply to Dirty

There that is my rant of the day.
Stay tuned for tomorrow for my next rant.

EDIT:
Let me add, as good as this offer is, it does not at all cripple the Flyers, they still have a solid offense and defense.
With Jack they would be cup contenders for many years.
So stop trying to go cheap and make a sound offer and go for the cup.
Maybe with these spare parts and picks Buffalo could make the playoffs in a year or so.
Sep. 9, 2020 at 5:03 p.m.
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I would love for Philadelphia to get Eichel, but I don't think this is enough for Buffalo to move him. Frost and Sanheim are nice pieces, but none of them are going to be franchise altering players like Eichel.

My assumption is that another team can offer a prospect with more upside than Frost to replace Eichel on the front end. I also don't really see them moving Eichel but I can see arguments for both sides.
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Sep. 10, 2020 at 8:26 a.m.
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LMFAO, closer? You get a solid 2nd pairing D, a prospect that has 1C potential, 2 1sts and a capable middle 6 winger. BUF could really use all this to maybe push them into the playoffs in 2-3 years because they sure aren't close now!


they were right in the mix until both goalies were injured. So they are closer than you think no need to trade an elite 1C for someone who can possibly play 1c in the future and some decent additions to the rest of the roster
 
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