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Values are way off! Toronto (go figure) isnt giving up nearly enough here!

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Sep. 10, 2020 at 9:41 a.m.

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Edmonton has very little cap space this off-season, they won't be allocating $3.4M for a 4th line winger.

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Sep. 10, 2020 at 9:41 a.m.

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Hope Arizona gets a big more from Minny

I think they could certainly find a way to flip them a pick or a Hartman/Donato type. Perhaps even Kahkonen or a prospect. I don't know the Wild well enough to make that decision, was more concerned about the Leafs end TBH.

Sep. 10, 2020 at 9:42 a.m.

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Zona got hosed. Big time.

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Sep. 10, 2020 at 9:44 a.m.

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Values are way off! Toronto (go figure) isnt giving up nearly enough here!

Genuinely curious. You said values, is there another spot where the value is off? I honestly think Arizona is going to be looking to shed salary, and Minny can use a pending UFA to upgrade in goal and at centre (which are two big needs). What would Toronto need to add in your opinion?

Sep. 10, 2020 at 9:52 a.m.

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Values are way off! Toronto (go figure) isnt giving up nearly enough here!

They're giving up a young, cost efficient Dman and an unprotected 1st for a rental upgrade on D. Minnesota is the team not giving up enough. They receive a 2C and a bonafide starter, both of whom have term, for a rental Dman. Minny should be sending something to Arizona.

Sep. 10, 2020 at 10:07 a.m.

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A 2nd for sure. im assuming that 1st will be a low one, so it doesn’t push the needle much. Brodin and a 2nd or 3rd for Schmaltz and Kuemper makes dome sense, but Toronto would definitely have to give more for either of the returns here. Dermott and the 25th-ish pick isn’t going to get you Brodin, or Schmaltz and Kuemper.

Sep. 10, 2020 at 10:11 a.m.

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Your opinion there is fair. If Toronto has to give up a 1st,2nd and Dermott, I wouldn't be doing this deal, way too rich for a guy who is going to UFA in a year and only adds value at one end of the ice. I was factoring in Arizona's need to dump salary and their desperation for draft picks considering they have lost them due to the punishment from the scouting scenario. I'm not really a huge fan of the Leafs trading Dermott and I think Arizona could really use his speed and puck movement on their back end (which is mostly older).

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Sep. 10, 2020 at 10:11 a.m.

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Rentals are only rentals at the tdl. No GM would give up big assets for a great player without at least having the parameters of the next deal worked out.

Sep. 10, 2020 at 10:15 a.m.

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Edmonton has very little cap space this off-season, they won't be allocating $3.4M for a 4th line winger.

Johnsson is a 4th liner winger? Lol that must mean Larsson is a ahler

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Sep. 10, 2020 at 10:15 a.m.

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Solid points, but i do think you are underestimating Brodin’s impact. He’s an elite defendrr, a one man breakout machine, and better offensively than given credit for. He had 28 points in 69 games (i think) while getting only 23 seconds of PP time per game. Suter runs the show in MN and dictates his own icetime...and hogs all the PP time for himself!

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Sep. 10, 2020 at 10:20 a.m.

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Rentals are only rentals at the tdl. No GM would give up big assets for a great player without at least having the parameters of the next deal worked out.

That's just frankly not true. A rental is a player on a UFA expiring contract. Brodin is a rental atm. But regardless of what you want to call it, Minnesota is the team that unquestionably needs to add to this.

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Sep. 10, 2020 at 10:21 a.m.

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Johnsson is a 4th liner winger? Lol that must mean Larsson is a ahler

5v5 goals this year WHILE PLAYING OVER 75% OF THE TIME WITH AUSTON MATTHEWS: 3 (three)

I'm being generous calling him a 4th liner. Edmonton has zero interest in taking on that much cap for next to nothing, let alone giving up assets for it.

laugh

Sep. 10, 2020 at 10:30 a.m.

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Did you ever realize he was injured? And not everything is about goals

. I'll even say Johnsson > Kapanen

Sep. 10, 2020 at 10:36 a.m.

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Come on, man, you're a smart guy. You know this is a bad take.

Sep. 10, 2020 at 10:56 a.m.

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Did you ever realize he was injured?

Somehow he managed to play 43 games.

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And not everything is about goals

Edmonton hardly needs more playmakers.

Sep. 10, 2020 at 10:58 a.m.

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Come on, man, you're a smart guy. You know this is a bad take.

Johnsson was really, really bad this year and you know it. There's a reason Every. Single. Leafs AGM on this site has him being moved for peanuts. He's simply not worth his contract.

Sep. 10, 2020 at 11:06 a.m.

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Johnsson was really, really bad this year and you know it. There's a reason Every. Single. Leafs AGM on this site has him being moved for peanuts. He's simply not worth his contract.

You're over exaggerating how bad he was this year (I'm not arguing that he was good) and completely ignoring the year previous. To say that calling him a 4th liner is generous is ridiculous and you know it.

Sep. 10, 2020 at 11:31 a.m.

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Oooo, he scored 20 goals. Great. Alex Chiasson scored 22 in 2018-19 and he's a 4th liner. It's not an insult, the bottom-6 is where Johnsson belongs.

Sep. 10, 2020 at 11:39 a.m.

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Oooo, he scored 20 goals. Great. Alex Chiasson scored 22 in 2018-19 and he's a 4th liner. It's not an insult, the bottom-6 is where Johnsson belongs.

Yeah, solid 3rd liner.

Sep. 10, 2020 at 12:33 p.m.

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Somehow he managed to play 43 games.

Edmonton hardly needs more playmakers.

43 games is close to half the season.

Sep. 10, 2020 at 2:09 p.m.

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43 games is close to half the season.

If you're cool with a guy scoring 3 goals in over half a season while playing with a superstar center and making $3.4M, then keep_him.

Sep. 10, 2020 at 2:23 p.m.

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If you're cool with a guy scoring 3 goals in over half a season while playing with a superstar center and making $3.4M, then keep_him.

when did I say we were trading him?

Sep. 10, 2020 at 5:04 p.m.

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