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Team: 2020-21 St. Louis Blues
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 9, 2020
Published: Sep. 10, 2020
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  1. Steen, Alexander
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    RFA rights to Vince Dunn
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    1. Kopitar, Anze ($2,500,000 retained)
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    Sep. 10, 2020 at 10:49 p.m.
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    Might as well go 5x5.5 for Toffoli in FA as well. Plenty of cap even with Vlad back
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    Sep. 10, 2020 at 10:51 p.m.
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    Because it definitely makes sense to take on a 33 year old center who wouldn't even play 2C for long, and gets paid 10 Million because let's face it Kings won't make the same mistake Toronto did with Kessel. NOT re-sign Pietrangelo. Get rid of our young future Top LHD for a first round pick that will be early twenties if we're lucky. And on the top of that you decide that you want to spend not 1, not 2, but THREE First round picks on this Center at 33 who is regressing quick who had 62 points in 70 games.
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    Sep. 10, 2020 at 11:07 p.m.
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    Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
    Because it definitely makes sense to take on a 33 year old center who wouldn't even play 2C for long, and gets paid 10 Million because let's face it Kings won't make the same mistake Toronto did with Kessel. NOT re-sign Pietrangelo. Get rid of our young future Top LHD for a first round pick that will be early twenties if we're lucky. And on the top of that you decide that you want to spend not 1, not 2, but THREE First round picks on this Center at 33 who is regressing quick who had 62 points in 70 games.



    C’mon Dunn will never be considered a #1 LHD. Schenn cost 2 1st’s and Kopitar definitely has a better pedigree.
    Sep. 10, 2020 at 11:50 p.m.
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    C’mon Dunn will never be considered a #1 LHD. Schenn cost 2 1st’s and Kopitar definitely has a better pedigree.


    C'mon you do not get it. We already are sh*t on LHD you want to make it abysmal. Schenn cost 2 Firsts WITH Lehtera's Cap Dump. Big difference. We aren't dumping cap on them. Kopitar with a better pedigree, but yet has a less effective year. Schenn is 29. Kopitar is 33. Kopitar has been deteriorating the past 3 years. You either have the wool pulled over your own eyes, or you are just a completely casual Blues fan and have no clue what you are talking about.
    Sep. 10, 2020 at 11:53 p.m.
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    OMG why?
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    Sep. 11, 2020 at 12:03 a.m.
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    C'mon you do not get it. We already are sh*t on LHD you want to make it abysmal. Schenn cost 2 Firsts WITH Lehtera's Cap Dump. Big difference. We aren't dumping cap on them. Kopitar with a better pedigree, but yet has a less effective year. Schenn is 29. Kopitar is 33. Kopitar has been deteriorating the past 3 years. You either have the wool pulled over your own eyes, or you are just a completely casual Blues fan and have no clue what you are talking about.


    Kopitar at 33 is still better than Schenn at 29.

    Obviously you are the leading expert on all things Blues except you called Dunn a “ young future Top LHD” but I am the casual fan 🤣🤣🤣

    You are like most fans of all sports in that you overvalue the players on your favorite franchise.

    This is just one possibility (that won’t happen) of a zillion others.
    Sep. 11, 2020 at 12:03 a.m.
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    so thats essentially dunn and 2 1sts for Kopitar? are you trolling?
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    Sep. 11, 2020 at 12:10 a.m.
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    so thats essentially dunn and 2 1sts for Kopitar? are you trolling?


    The same Dunn who played 16 minutes a night and had 23 points?

    Dunn is an ok D, can play in the top 4 on a lot of teams, and has offensive upside. That’s it. He’s a lesser version of Shattenkirk without being a major PP threat. He’s a better skater than Shattenkirk but that’s it.

    He’s worth a mid-late 1st
    Sep. 11, 2020 at 12:14 a.m.
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    The same Dunn who played 16 minutes a night and had 23 points?

    Dunn is an ok D, can play in the top 4 on a lot of teams, and has offensive upside. That’s it. He’s a lesser version of Shattenkirk without being a major PO threat. He’s a better skater than Shattenkirk but that’s it.

    He’s worth a mid-late 1st


    He is a very good young LHD that we should not trade. His game is only going to get better in the coming years. Last year he put up 35 points. This year he took a more defensive role and had less pwerplay time. His value might be worth a 20th overall, but no sensible blues fan should be satisfied with a trade like that while we are contending
    Sep. 11, 2020 at 12:22 a.m.
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    Quoting: Blues4TheCup
    He is a very good young LHD that we should not trade. His game is only going to get better in the coming years. Last year he put up 35 points. This year he took a more defensive role and had less pwerplay time. His value might be worth a 20th overall, but no sensible blues fan should be satisfied with a trade like that while we are contending



    It’s very possible that Perunovich is a like for like replacement for Dunn. It’s not guaranteed but it’s not outrageous to think it’s possible.

    Dunn has no leverage in negotiations because he’s not eligible for arbitration and if Pietrangelo walks I think Dunn signs 100%
    Sep. 11, 2020 at 12:29 a.m.
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    It’s very possible that Perunovich is a like for like replacement for Dunn. It’s not guaranteed but it’s not outrageous to think it’s possible.

    Dunn has no leverage in negotiations because he’s not eligible for arbitration and if Pietrangelo walks I think Dunn signs 100%


    if Pietrangelo signs, dunn gets roughly 2x3.5million. If Pietrangelo walks, Dunn gets roughly 6x5million. Either way i would be shocked if he isn't a blue next season.
    Sep. 11, 2020 at 12:44 a.m.
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    Why would Steen retire?
    Sep. 11, 2020 at 1:20 a.m.
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    Quoting: Sicarius
    He’s a lesser version of Shattenkirk...



    Oi vey...
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    Sep. 11, 2020 at 6:09 a.m.
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    Why would Steen retire?


    And how does that remove his cap hit?
    Sep. 11, 2020 at 6:16 a.m.
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    It’s very possible that Perunovich is a like for like replacement for Dunn. It’s not guaranteed but it’s not outrageous to think it’s possible.



    Perunovich is much smaller than Dunn, and (at least until now) isn't nearly as good defensively. They are not as interchangable as you seem to think. And even if they were, why does that mean one has to go? Wouldn't two young, cheap, exciting LDs be better than one?
    Sep. 11, 2020 at 11:31 a.m.
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    The same Dunn who played 16 minutes a night and had 23 points?

    Dunn is an ok D, can play in the top 4 on a lot of teams, and has offensive upside. That’s it. He’s a lesser version of Shattenkirk without being a major PP threat. He’s a better skater than Shattenkirk but that’s it.

    He’s worth a mid-late 1st


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    you just completely hate Dunn. Like for some reason you are that one person who just hates the team secretly and hates Dunn the most.

    But fortunately I have things to backup why he could be a Future Top LHD. Because of this year.Vince Dunn had higher advanced stats than Werenski and Jones last year and I know this for a fact because I checked. Here are his advanced stats now WHICH are also better offensive and defensive stats than Anze Kopitar is putting up as a CENTER.

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    Whether Perunovich is gonna be a like-like player to replace him. I would rather have Dunn and Perunovich to make it a great LHD. Not make it a average meh LHD. Kopitar has been inconsistent every single year. 2014-15 64 Points in 79 games, 2015-16 74 Points in 81 games, 2016-17 52 points in 76 games, 2017-18 92 points in 82 games, 2018-19 60 points in 81 games, this season 62 points in 70 games.

    If you think that is worth 3 f*cking first round picks you are high off your rear. I don't even think Marner fetches 3 first round picks. That is an absolutely dumb trade. You have no clue what you are even talking about right now. Substantially I would let the Dunn trade go but he harnesses more than just a late round first. I back my value with Advanced Stats not homer stuff. You seem like a LA fan because you just overvalued Kopitar by a ton. He's not even a Top 10 Center in the League. Ryan O'Reilly is, and I don't even think Ryan O'Reilly would get 3 first round picks.
    Sep. 11, 2020 at 11:54 a.m.
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    Perunovich is much smaller than Dunn, and (at least until now) isn't nearly as good defensively. They are not as interchangable as you seem to think. And even if they were, why does that mean one has to go? Wouldn't two young, cheap, exciting LDs be better than one?



    The issue of signing Dunn is a real one if Pietrangelo remains a Blue. If Pietrangelo signed for 8 million it would put the Blues cap at $84,346,904. That's with Husso on the roster and also is a 23 man roster with MacMac and DLR currently holding roster spots.

    A sizeable contract has to be moved in order to sign Pietrangelo and if you want Dunn as well you're most likely looking at 2 sizeable contracts being moved which just keeps getting harder to accomplish. Having two young LHD is fine but it has to make sense under the cap.
    Sep. 11, 2020 at 11:57 a.m.
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    Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
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    you just completely hate Dunn. Like for some reason you are that one person who just hates the team secretly and hates Dunn the most.

    But fortunately I have things to backup why he could be a Future Top LHD. Because of this year.Vince Dunn had higher advanced stats than Werenski and Jones last year and I know this for a fact because I checked. Here are his advanced stats now WHICH are also better offensive and defensive stats than Anze Kopitar is putting up as a CENTER.

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    Whether Perunovich is gonna be a like-like player to replace him. I would rather have Dunn and Perunovich to make it a great LHD. Not make it a average meh LHD. Kopitar has been inconsistent every single year. 2014-15 64 Points in 79 games, 2015-16 74 Points in 81 games, 2016-17 52 points in 76 games, 2017-18 92 points in 82 games, 2018-19 60 points in 81 games, this season 62 points in 70 games.

    If you think that is worth 3 f*cking first round picks you are high off your rear. I don't even think Marner fetches 3 first round picks. That is an absolutely dumb trade. You have no clue what you are even talking about right now. Substantially I would let the Dunn trade go but he harnesses more than just a late round first. I back my value with Advanced Stats not homer stuff. You seem like a LA fan because you just overvalued Kopitar by a ton. He's not even a Top 10 Center in the League. Ryan O'Reilly is, and I don't even think Ryan O'Reilly would get 3 first round picks.



    You're now comparing Dunn to Werensk and Jones???

    ok.... put down the internet hahahah
    Sep. 11, 2020 at 12:26 p.m.
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    You're now comparing Dunn to Werensk and Jones???

    ok.... put down the internet hahahah


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    Facts don't care about your feelings.
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    Sep. 11, 2020 at 12:27 p.m.
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    You're now comparing Dunn to Werensk and Jones???

    ok.... put down the internet hahahah


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    Facts don't care about your feelings. Get over yourself.
    Sep. 11, 2020 at 12:34 p.m.
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    You're now comparing Dunn to Werensk and Jones???

    ok.... put down the internet hahahah


    You can't go wrong wit Dunn being higher than both with xGAR of 10.5 while Werenski is 9.6 and Seth Jones is 1.4. expected wins above replacement is also higher than both with a 1.9 and werenski 1.7 Jones 0.2. But who am I to talk I'm just a Blues homer as you said arguing with a casual who thinks he knows everything strictly because of the famous names Zach Werenski, and Seth Jones.
    Sep. 11, 2020 at 12:56 p.m.
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    You can't go wrong wit Dunn being higher than both with xGAR of 10.5 while Werenski is 9.6 and Seth Jones is 1.4. expected wins above replacement is also higher than both with a 1.9 and werenski 1.7 Jones 0.2. But who am I to talk I'm just a Blues homer as you said arguing with a casual who thinks he knows everything strictly because of the famous names Zach Werenski, and Seth Jones.




    You are free to have an opinion but you would virtually be alone in the universe if you truly think Dunn belongs in the same conversation as Werenski and Jones.
    Sep. 11, 2020 at 1:01 p.m.
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    You are free to have an opinion but you would virtually be alone in the universe if you truly think Dunn belongs in the same conversation as Werenski and Jones.


    I don't think he belongs in the conversation. It's 1 season. It's a small sample you thinking he's a wasted product and shouldn't be on the roster because you think you yourself would do better is also wrong. If you can't see the potential you are alone in that as well. If you truly think Dunn is a crappy player, and "he is so bad and perunovich is so much better than him" This conversation is over because you just don't know hockey at all. End of story.
    Sep. 11, 2020 at 1:09 p.m.
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    Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
    I don't think he belongs in the conversation. It's 1 season. It's a small sample you thinking he's a wasted product and shouldn't be on the roster because you think you yourself would do better is also wrong. If you can't see the potential you are alone in that as well. If you truly think Dunn is a crappy player, and "he is so bad and perunovich is so much better than him" This conversation is over because you just don't know hockey at all. End of story.



    You have created your own narrative and straw man in some need to have an argument. I never said Dunn was crappy. I never said Perunovich is as good or better. I never said Dunn is a wasted product.

    You are the only person saying these things and then arguing with me about your own comments.
    Sep. 11, 2020 at 1:11 p.m.
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    You have created your own narrative and straw man in some need to have an argument. I never said Dunn was crappy. I never said Perunovich is as good or better. I never said Dunn is a wasted product.

    You are the only person saying these things and then arguing with me about your own comments.


    Well your ACGM says differently. remember actions speak louder than words. If you don't think that then don't make an ACGM that says that in a nutshell.
     
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