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Another Manson trade

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Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 12, 2020
Published: Sep. 12, 2020
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  1. Manson, Josh
  2. 2021 2nd round pick (ANA)
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  1. Johnsson, Andreas
  2. Liljegren, Timothy
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I hate trading Lily. He is so much younger than people realize and I fear this bites us in the behind
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Sep. 12, 2020 at 5:18 p.m.
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Rather sign a guy like Demelo or Gudas and save the prospect of trading Liljegren
Sep. 12, 2020 at 5:27 p.m.
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Yeah you got that second on the wrong side 😂

Manson gets Lily and a second by himself, and the Ducks have no need for Johnsson
Sep. 12, 2020 at 5:28 p.m.
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Quoting: Ryminister_27
Rather sign a guy like Demelo or Gudas and save the prospect of trading Liljegren


Gudas is an 18 minute per game player who plays against 2nd to 3rd pairing competition. He doesn't help us.

DeMelo has a LITTLE bit of experience playing higher in the lineup, so he can be tried... But we'll see
Sep. 12, 2020 at 5:29 p.m.
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Yeah you got that second on the wrong side 😂

Manson gets Lily and a second by himself, and the Ducks have no need for Johnsson


I may be unreasonably high on Liljegren, but I'm REALLY high on him. He has all the pieces to be a stud, he was supposed to be a top 3 pick his year, dropped for mono. He hasn't put it all together yet, but I'm just so leery to trade him, so thats why I did that.
Sep. 12, 2020 at 5:31 p.m.
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Quoting: Ryminister_27
Rather sign a guy like Demelo or Gudas and save the prospect of trading Liljegren


THANK YOU

Everyone else is like, trade Liljegren, he's trash, and I'm like 😬🤔
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Sep. 12, 2020 at 5:32 p.m.
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Quoting: BCAPP
I may be unreasonably high on Liljegren, but I'm REALLY high on him. He has all the pieces to be a stud, he was supposed to be a top 3 pick his year, dropped for mono. He hasn't put it all together yet, but I'm just so leery to trade him, so thats why I did that.


Yessss
Sep. 12, 2020 at 5:32 p.m.
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I may be unreasonably high on Liljegren, but I'm REALLY high on him. He has all the pieces to be a stud, he was supposed to be a top 3 pick his year, dropped for mono. He hasn't put it all together yet, but I'm just so leery to trade him, so thats why I did that.


Yeah I don’t think you guys should move him, but he’s the main piece it would take to get Manson out of ANA, and you would have to add to him at that, AJ doesn’t really interest ANA at all we have 6 NHL left wings

Leafs should keep Lily though imo
Sep. 12, 2020 at 5:58 p.m.
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Yeah I don’t think you guys should move him, but he’s the main piece it would take to get Manson out of ANA, and you would have to add to him at that, AJ doesn’t really interest ANA at all we have 6 NHL left wings

Leafs should keep Lily though imo


We should, but with the flat cap and needing to compete right now, something's gotta give. Future firsts, or Pittsburgh's firsts I suppose too.

I think Manson's value is limited by only two years left, but raised by the lack of prime aged RD out there. So its somewhat hard to peg.
Sep. 12, 2020 at 6:01 p.m.
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THANK YOU

Everyone else is like, trade Liljegren, he's trash, and I'm like 😬🤔


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Yessss


Dude is like 21. I am clearly a huge fan. The problem is he's not ready and we need a #1RD. I don't believe Gudas is it at all. DeMelo may be but is a gamble. I would be content with Hamonic, but (a) I am not sure he is going to play again (I think he may have been the only player to opt out) and (b) I am not sure he wants to come this far East.

We can go cheaper for Larsson who is fine, but not ideal.

We can consider Montour who was good in Anaheim and bad in Buffalo and isn't really the style we need.

We can consider Brodie, but again not really what we're looking for and a little long in the tooth.

Savard I suppose is similar to Larsson

Pietro is both a pipe dream based on our cap, and I am fairly certain will be a terrible contract in about 3 years...
Sep. 12, 2020 at 6:08 p.m.
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FWIW, Pronman released his evaluations of each club's under 23 players and puts Liljegren's ceiling as a bottom pair defenseman.
Sep. 12, 2020 at 6:18 p.m.
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Quoting: BCAPP
Gudas is an 18 minute per game player who plays against 2nd to 3rd pairing competition. He doesn't help us.

DeMelo has a LITTLE bit of experience playing higher in the lineup, so he can be tried... But we'll see


Still rather keep Liljegren, play Gudas with Rielly which is a decent pair and disperse the minutes between Holl and Liljegren so they can develop. No sense in overspending on a guy who's had 1 good season
Sep. 12, 2020 at 6:26 p.m.
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Yeah I don’t think you guys should move him, but he’s the main piece it would take to get Manson out of ANA, and you would have to add to him at that, AJ doesn’t really interest ANA at all we have 6 NHL left wings

Leafs should keep Lily though imo


Why add? Manson is not good. Lilly for Manson and a 2nd for Johnsson. Personally I would take Lilly over Manson.
Sep. 12, 2020 at 6:29 p.m.
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Quoting: LeafsFan4Ever34
THANK YOU

Everyone else is like, trade Liljegren, he's trash, and I'm like 😬🤔



How do you think the Ducks feel??? The entire leafs fan base constantly calls Manson trash.
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Sep. 12, 2020 at 6:32 p.m.
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Still rather keep Liljegren, play Gudas with Rielly which is a decent pair and disperse the minutes between Holl and Liljegren so they can develop. No sense in overspending on a guy who's had 1 good season


My point is Gudas isn't good enough to play with Rielly. He doesn't play against top competition. He never has. People just see a tough Rd and think he makes sense
Sep. 12, 2020 at 6:34 p.m.
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Why add? Manson is not good. Lilly for Manson and a 2nd for Johnsson. Personally I would take Lilly over Manson.


Manson is worth more than Lily take your homer glasses off, it’s ridiculous. A top 4 shut down dman is worth more than a B level prospect

AJ is not worth a second to the Ducks, I wouldn’t even give a third for him, ANA does not need any LWs
Sep. 12, 2020 at 6:34 p.m.
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Quoting: tkecanuck341
FWIW, Pronman released his evaluations of each club's under 23 players and puts Liljegren's ceiling as a bottom pair defenseman.


As more and more time has gone on I've trusted pronman less and less. He seems to miss as often as he hits

Thanks for the info but I think it's an odd comment. His ceiling with his skill set is clearly higher. Whether he is likely to reach higher though is a different question
Sep. 12, 2020 at 6:38 p.m.
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My point is Gudas isn't good enough to play with Rielly. He doesn't play against top competition. He never has. People just see a tough Rd and think he makes sense


Neither does Rielly really.
Sep. 12, 2020 at 6:40 p.m.
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Neither does Rielly really.


This is untrue. He plays against all competition about 24 minutes per night
Sep. 12, 2020 at 6:41 p.m.
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Manson is worth more than Lily take your homer glasses off, it’s ridiculous. A top 4 shut down dman is worth more than a B level prospect

AJ is not worth a second to the Ducks, I wouldn’t even give a third for him, ANA does not need any LWs


Someone has glasses on but it isn’t me. I would rather try to get gudbranson... does that make me a self loathinga ducks homer?

Manson is not good sorry. 3 goals last season 2 were on his own net...It’s just my opinion.

Everyone is so quick to default that “you must be a homer” while you try to persist to me that I should like the player on your team because you do. The irony is too much for me.
Sep. 12, 2020 at 6:41 p.m.
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This is untrue. He plays against all competition about 24 minutes per night


Muzzin and Holl did the heavy lifting. Which makes sense, Muzzin is far better defensively. Rielly is kind of average defensively.
Sep. 12, 2020 at 6:45 p.m.
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My point is Gudas isn't good enough to play with Rielly. He doesn't play against top competition. He never has. People just see a tough Rd and think he makes sense


neither was Roman Polak. & when he played with Rielly against Washington, they shut Ovechkin down pretty well and Polak was a pain in the ass to Ovechkin. That's exactly what the Leafs need
Sep. 12, 2020 at 6:46 p.m.
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Someone has glasses on but it isn’t me. I would rather try to get gudbranson... does that make me a self loathinga ducks homer?

Manson is not good sorry. 3 goals last season 2 were on his own net...It’s just my opinion.

Everyone is so quick to default that “you must be a homer” while you try to persist to me that I should like the player on your team because you do. The irony is too much for me.


Never said you need to like Manson, he has more value than Liljegren and it isn’t close though. You’re opinion is completely valid and you’re entitled to it

But Liljegren is a B prospect. Manson is at worst a second pair guy that can play against the other teams top line night in and night out, that has more value than a B prospect. I even said in the first post you replied to TOR should keep Lily, but his value is around Liljegren and a second
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Sep. 12, 2020 at 6:52 p.m.
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Never said you need to like Manson, he has more value than Liljegren and it isn’t close though. You’re opinion is completely valid and you’re entitled to it

But Liljegren is a B prospect. Manson is at worst a second pair guy that can play against the other teams top line night in and night out, that has more value than a B prospect. I even said in the first post you replied to TOR should keep Lily, but his value is around Liljegren and a second


I don’t consider Lilly a B prospect. I also don’t consider manson to be good or valuable. I wouldn’t trade Lilly for zaitsev either.

Regardless of what you think Manson is worth and what Lilly is we both have two different opinions.

Sorry you have to see so many Manson trades. They drive me nuts too.
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Sep. 12, 2020 at 6:55 p.m.
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I don’t consider Lilly a B prospect. I also don’t consider manson to be good or valuable. I wouldn’t trade Lilly for zaitsev either.

Regardless of what you think Manson is worth and what Lilly is we both have two different opinions.

Sorry you have to see so many Manson trades. They drive me nuts too.


And that’s fair as well, everyone will have different evaluations on every player it’s the nature of sports

Some are massive overpays I’m sure those drive you nuts as well. Some are massive underpays and it’s been going on 2 years of this for Ducks fans ahah
Sep. 12, 2020 at 7:00 p.m.
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Muzzin and Holl did the heavy lifting. Which makes sense, Muzzin is far better defensively. Rielly is kind of average defensively.


Holl wasn't playing top 4 minutes for the first couple months. Then muzzin was injured a bunch. And before getting muzzin including riellys best year he was playing top comps. But you're right the way it's built muzzin can take heavier minutes
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