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Why isnt Laine considered untouchable

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Sep. 13, 2020 at 10:16 p.m.
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Seriously. 22 years old. 30-50 goals every season. He’s not going anywhere
Sep. 13, 2020 at 10:18 p.m.
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Seriously. 22 years old. 30-50 goals every season. He’s not going anywhere


He should be untouchable imo.
Sep. 13, 2020 at 10:19 p.m.
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great at scoring goals
defense...well he's a liability at his own end
Sep. 13, 2020 at 10:20 p.m.
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Quoting: MisstheWhalers
He should be untouchable imo.


It's also the worst time to trade him as his value has probably dropped a bit. WPG should just get a 2C.

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great at scoring goals
defense...well he's a liability at his own end


Most snipers are like that
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Sep. 13, 2020 at 10:20 p.m.
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Seriously. 22 years old. 30-50 goals every season. He’s not going anywhere


Jets have big holes in their lineup, particularly at 2C and on the blue line. Wingers are the least valuable position in the NHL. Laine has made strides forward in other areas of his game, but right now he's still largely a one-trick pony (even if that one trick is mighty impressive being able to score 30-50 goals). Plus the Jets have a bunch of amazing wingers with Wheeler, Ehlers, a D Conner. The Jets shouldn't trade him imo, but I can see why they'd be open to it if the right deal came along (with a massive emphasis on the right deal).
Sep. 13, 2020 at 10:21 p.m.
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great at scoring goals
defense...well he's a liability at his own end


That narrative is really overblown.
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Sep. 13, 2020 at 10:22 p.m.
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great at scoring goals
defense...well he's a liability at his own end


So is ovechkin, Kane,
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Sep. 13, 2020 at 10:23 p.m.
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Jets have big holes in their lineup, particularly at 2C and on the blue line. Wingers are the least valuable position in the NHL. Laine has made strides forward in other areas of his game, but right now he's still largely a one-trick pony (even if that one trick is mighty impressive being able to score 30-50 goals). Plus the Jets have a bunch of amazing wingers with Wheeler, Ehlers, a D Conner. The Jets shouldn't trade him imo, but I can see why they'd be open to it if the right deal came along (with a massive emphasis on the right deal).


I 100% agree there’s holes in the line up. But trading Laine to fix them is a terrible idea
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Sep. 13, 2020 at 10:25 p.m.
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Jets have big holes in their lineup, particularly at 2C and on the blue line. Wingers are the least valuable position in the NHL. Laine has made strides forward in other areas of his game, but right now he's still largely a one-trick pony (even if that one trick is mighty impressive being able to score 30-50 goals). Plus the Jets have a bunch of amazing wingers with Wheeler, Ehlers, a D Conner. The Jets shouldn't trade him imo, but I can see why they'd be open to it if the right deal came along (with a massive emphasis on the right deal).


Thing is they'll never fill those holes with one trade and if it takes trading Laine to fill one or two of them yeah they've filled some holes but then subtracted
30-50 goals from their lineup so are they really any further ahead?

Honestly the window is closed for awhile, best to try to sign Laine long term and keep an entertaining product on the ice.
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Sep. 13, 2020 at 10:28 p.m.
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So is ovechkin, Kane,


yes. however ovechkin and kane were much better offensively than laine, especially at the same age
Sep. 13, 2020 at 10:28 p.m.
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That narrative is really overblown.


bottom 10% of all players in xGA/60 (basically allowed a ton of chances against)
Sep. 13, 2020 at 10:30 p.m.
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bottom 10% of all players in xGA/60 (basically allowed a ton of chances against)


The Jets system is built to allow a ton of chances against.
Sep. 13, 2020 at 10:31 p.m.
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I doubt he is going anywhere. But it’s probably just all the speculation that they need a 2C badly. 2Cs rarely hit UFA and when they do you usually have to overpay.
Sep. 13, 2020 at 10:42 p.m.
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He should be untouchable unless it's a massive over payment. I am very confused as to why his name is being brought up.

King Ransom or Winnipeg would be dumb to consider it. Move Ehlers if you want to improve elsewhere.
Sep. 13, 2020 at 10:44 p.m.
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He's not going anywhere... In all likelihood he's being used to get conversations open, so the Jets can work out deals for guys like Roslovic or Niku. The Athletic is reporting that the asking price for Laine and Ehlers is unreasonably high. Neither of them are going anywhere.
Sep. 13, 2020 at 10:49 p.m.
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I 100% agree there’s holes in the line up. But trading Laine to fix them is a terrible idea


Well if you can get a first pairing defenseman and a 2C for him then I think you pull the trigger. But not many, if any, teams are willing to give that up for a winger, even one as talented as Laine.

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Thing is they'll never fill those holes with one trade and if it takes trading Laine to fill one or two of them yeah they've filled some holes but then subtracted
30-50 goals from their lineup so are they really any further ahead?

Honestly the window is closed for awhile, best to try to sign Laine long term and keep an entertaining product on the ice.


Like I said, it would have to be for the right deal. I wouldn't say the window is closed, you have Scheifele who is still somewhat young, Ehlers and Conner are some of the better wingers in the league, Wheeler is getting up there in age but he's criminally underrated nationally, Pionk looks like a solid addition, last I saw Morrissey is still very good (maybe that has changed), and Hellebyuk is probably a top 10 goalie in the league. There's a lot to like about the Jets.
Sep. 13, 2020 at 11:15 p.m.
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The only reason Laine gets talked about, is because of the TSN trade bait list and Laine is the only of the core not signed long term. Then you factor in fans of other teams that are dying to add someone like Laine to their lineup. So, they hold or hope that by some miracle Laine will end up on their team.

It's like Seravalli said last week, unless it is an offer that absolutely blows Chevy away Laine and Ehlers won't be traded and the odds of an offer like that happening are pretty slim.
Sep. 13, 2020 at 11:25 p.m.
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yes. however ovechkin and kane were much better offensively than laine, especially at the same age


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yes. however ovechkin and kane were much better offensively than laine, especially at the same age


Laine has more goals then ovechkin did at his age
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Sep. 13, 2020 at 11:33 p.m.
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Laine has more goals then ovechkin did at his age


Ovi couldn't play until 20 because of the lockout

In his first 4 seasons, Laine scored 138 goals and 247 points
Ovi scored 219 goals and 420 points, as well as 2 Hart Trophies, an Art Ross Trophy, and 2 Rocket Richard Trophies

They are only comparable stylistically.
Sep. 14, 2020 at 6:33 p.m.
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Ovi couldn't play until 20 because of the lockout

In his first 4 seasons, Laine scored 138 goals and 247 points
Ovi scored 219 goals and 420 points, as well as 2 Hart Trophies, an Art Ross Trophy, and 2 Rocket Richard Trophies

They are only comparable stylistically.[
Sep. 14, 2020 at 6:46 p.m.
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Ovi couldn't play until 20 because of the lockout

In his first 4 seasons, Laine scored 138 goals and 247 points
Ovi scored 219 goals and 420 points, as well as 2 Hart Trophies, an Art Ross Trophy, and 2 Rocket Richard Trophies

They are only comparable stylistically.


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Ovi couldn't play until 20 because of the lockout

In his first 4 seasons, Laine scored 138 goals and 247 points
Ovi scored 219 goals and 420 points, as well as 2 Hart Trophies, an Art Ross Trophy, and 2 Rocket Richard Trophies

They are only comparable stylistically.


You can’t compare there first 4 seasons if ovi is 2 years older. It makes no sense. Yes ovi missed one season, but Laine missed games in his rookie season and is ahead by like 20. So it definitely would’ve been close
Sep. 14, 2020 at 7:35 p.m.
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You can’t compare there first 4 seasons if ovi is 2 years older. It makes no sense. Yes ovi missed one season, but Laine missed games in his rookie season and is ahead by like 20. So it definitely would’ve been close


why not compare laine's 20-22 year old seasons to Ovi's 20-22 year old seasons?
 
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