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WindJammer better say yes

Created by: JesperiIsMyDad
Team: 2020-21 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 14, 2020
Published: Sep. 14, 2020
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$850,000
1$1,850,000
Trades
WPG
  1. Caufield, Cole [Reserve List]
  2. Domi, Max [RFA Rights]
  3. 2020 1st round pick (MTL)
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2020
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2021
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22$81,500,000$76,489,642$0$4,007,500$5,010,358

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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
C
UFA - 2
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$4,995,000$4,995,000
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$4,800,000$4,800,000
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UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
C
UFA - 1
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$3,750,000$3,750,000
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UFA - 1
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UFA - 1
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C
UFA - 1
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C
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$4,125,000$4,125,000
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UFA - 1
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C, LW
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$10,500,000$10,500,000
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NMC
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$1,750,000$1,750,000
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UFA - 2
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RD
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UFA - 1
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$4,350,000$4,350,000
G
UFA - 1
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$1,850,000$1,850,000
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UFA - 1
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$212,500$212K)
LD
RFA - 2
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$771,666$771,666 (Performance Bonus$20,000$20K)
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RFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000
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Sep. 14, 2020 at 5:29 p.m.
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I say no.
Sep. 14, 2020 at 5:29 p.m.
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Your gonna get a lot of no
Sep. 14, 2020 at 5:31 p.m.
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It would be interesting to see what your cap management is going forward, Caufield elc might be vital for future kk, suzuki and nucleus contracts.
Sep. 14, 2020 at 5:33 p.m.
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I agree with all of you, and personally feel domi mete + 2 1sts is a more fair deal but the Winnipeg fandom has been senile when it comes to these trades. And I'm just trying to see what it will take.
Sep. 14, 2020 at 5:33 p.m.
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That’s a solid trade
Sep. 14, 2020 at 5:35 p.m.
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Price for Laine is ridiculously high, like you’d have to severely overpay for him. So to all the MTL fans whining about these deals that actually get close to Laine, GET OVER IT. Y’all can be a bunch of babies sometimes (like fans of every team, including myself), I get you’re biased towards your team, but still. You have to pay a lot for a quality player like Laine.
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Sep. 14, 2020 at 5:39 p.m.
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The Jets don't need to move Perreault and this is just a downgrade for Winnipeg. This trade fixes a small hole at center by creating a huge hole on wing, so the Jets still have a hole and Caufield and the first don't close the gap between 2 years of Domi and Laine.

A possible deal that fixes holes for Winnipeg and doesn't involve Suzuki or KK is tough, but a few of us Jet fans discussed this:

Danault extended for 5 years at less than 6.
Romanov
Harris
2nd round pick

for

Laine.

That at least addresses needs for Winnipeg instead of the normal downgrades. I think Chevy would likely just keep Laine off this was the best offer, but this at least fixes holes.
Sep. 14, 2020 at 5:42 p.m.
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Quoting: tsyls
Price for Laine is ridiculously high, like you’d have to severely overpay for him. So to all the MTL fans whining about these deals that actually get close to Laine, GET OVER IT. Y’all can be a bunch of babies sometimes (like fans of every team, including myself), I get you’re biased towards your team, but still. You have to pay a lot for a quality player like Laine.


I know eh. How dare a team ask for equal quality back when trading a player. sarcasm
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Sep. 14, 2020 at 5:42 p.m.
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jets say no thanks
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Sep. 14, 2020 at 5:49 p.m.
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Quoting: Windjammer
The Jets don't need to move Perreault and this is just a downgrade for Winnipeg. This trade fixes a small hole at center by creating a huge hole on wing, so the Jets still have a hole and Caufield and the first don't close the gap between 2 years of Domi and Laine.

A possible deal that fixes holes for Winnipeg and doesn't involve Suzuki or KK is tough, but a few of us Jet fans discussed this:

Danault extended for 5 years at less than 6.
Romanov
Harris
2nd round pick

for

Laine.

That at least addresses needs for Winnipeg instead of the normal downgrades. I think Chevy would likely just keep Laine off this was the best offer, but this at least fixes holes.


I understand adding Romanov instead of Caufield but if Danault is signed for 5 years at less than 6 Montreal would keep him. More than this I honestly believe that Domi would be a better fit for wpg because danault as great as he is defensively is lacking top 6 scoring, his past 4 seasons he has played with montreals best wingers. This has dragged his point totals up significantly higher than they should be. Also I don't think trading laine away would create a hole for wpg considering they probably have the best top 4 wingers in the league(at least offensively). My counter offer would be:

Domi signed for 5 years at less than 6
Romanov
Harris
2nd round pick( st louis)
3rd round pick( Chicago)

I personally would do this trade but I know for a fact that the Montreal management is in love with romanov and there's no way they would trade him. I think they see him as a future captain for montreal.
Sep. 14, 2020 at 5:57 p.m.
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Quoting: JesperiIsMyDad
I understand adding Romanov instead of Caufield but if Danault is signed for 5 years at less than 6 Montreal would keep him. More than this I honestly believe that Domi would be a better fit for wpg because danault as great as he is defensively is lacking top 6 scoring, his past 4 seasons he has played with montreals best wingers. This has dragged his point totals up significantly higher than they should be. Also I don't think trading laine away would create a hole for wpg considering they probably have the best top 4 wingers in the league(at least offensively). My counter offer would be:

Domi signed for 5 years at less than 6
Romanov
Harris
2nd round pick( st louis)
3rd round pick( Chicago)

I personally would do this trade but I know for a fact that the Montreal management is in love with romanov and there's no way they would trade him. I think they see him as a future captain for montreal.


That one is at least one that Chevy would possibly consider. Although I highly doubt Domi signs for 5 years at less than 6 with his new agent. The other thing against Domi is that he is terrible defensively and the Jets would probably like a 2C that is good defensively, although I agree Danault's offense isn't the greatest. I would say no because I'm not a big Domi fan, but others may like Domi.
Sep. 14, 2020 at 6:08 p.m.
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I just got 1 thing to say.

WHO CARES WHAT WINDJAMMER SAYS OR THINKS!!! He seems to think Laine is a cross between McDavid and Gretzky! And the price to acquire him is more than the 2 combined!
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Sep. 14, 2020 at 6:25 p.m.
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See and then you have a Montreal troll like above come in and start whining and derailing the thread.
Sep. 14, 2020 at 6:45 p.m.
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I'm just not interested in trading Laine at all, there's been some good offers from Habs fans no doubt and some real underwhelming stinkers!

I try to consider all discussions on here realistically and in the end with Laine trades I always come back to are the Jets better with Laine or without and I conclude they're better with him, I just don't see how trading Laine and getting three small players in Domi, Mete and Caufield makes them better, a realistic futures package for Domi works but trading Laine for him is just moving the hole around in the lineup, I know wingers are easier to find then centers but wingers like Laine aren't easy to find.

If it was up to me I'd sign Laine long term and build around him, just hope Chevy doesn't do any harm to the lineup by trading Laine in a desperate attempt to repair the mess he's made for himself, there's nothing to gain by digging a hole to fill another.
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Sep. 14, 2020 at 7:34 p.m.
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Quoting: MisstheWhalers
I'm just not interested in trading Laine at all, there's been some good offers from Habs fans no doubt and some real underwhelming stinkers!

I try to consider all discussions on here realistically and in the end with Laine trades I always come back to are the Jets better with Laine or without and I conclude they're better with him, I just don't see how trading Laine and getting three small players in Domi, Mete and Caufield makes them better, a realistic futures package for Domi works but trading Laine for him is just moving the hole around in the lineup, I know wingers are easier to find then centers but wingers like Laine aren't easy to find.

If it was up to me I'd sign Laine long term and build around him, just hope Chevy doesn't do any harm to the lineup by trading Laine in a desperate attempt to repair the mess he's made for himself, there's nothing to gain by digging a hole to fill another.


I agree, but that's what everyone on this site hates to hear. If you say that the offer doesn't have enough quality or isn't a fit fit your team, you're unreasonable because you're getting "such value". If you explain that value doesn't mean much if it doesn't fill team needs, then it just means you're a homer.

Most people here seem to want to **** and moan about their lowball offers being rejected rather than try and see what reasonable options are out there that help both teams.
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Sep. 14, 2020 at 10:27 p.m.
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I agree, but that's what everyone on this site hates to hear. If you say that the offer doesn't have enough quality or isn't a fit fit your team, you're unreasonable because you're getting "such value". If you explain that value doesn't mean much if it doesn't fill team needs, then it just means you're a homer.

Most people here seem to want to **** and moan about their lowball offers being rejected rather than try and see what reasonable options are out there that help both teams.


Just a general observation:

Some posters on this site feel they need to try and convince other particular people's minds in order to validate their own thoughts...... You don't always have to. Not every GM would have done the Kapanen+ for a 2020 1st+ trade. Obviously some did. You'll never get a perfect consensus, especially on here on whether a trade is fair or not. Sometimes you got to just believe in your analysis (Assuming you've done an acceptable amount of research) and just agree to disagree. Maybe you are both right. Maybe Laine is worth the above trade and maybe Winnipeg still doesn't accept. That is also an option. Just because you offer fair value, doesn't mean someone HAS to accept it. Factors like negotiation, ownership pressure, timing, budgets, etc are all things you can't simulate on here which all play are part in making a trade truly "fair".

On the flip side, some posters feel the need to be overly conservative on their analysis's of trades for their teams players to ensure they never look like they "lose" a trade on here. I get it, I do it too sometimes but I think its important to give two perspectives. Your own because that's why your here, right?...but also what you think the real GM would do. They are from time to time not perfectly aligned. Actually they often aren't and admitting an offer is something the real GM might at the very least consider, while you'd totally be against doing is nice way to move the conversation forward without it turning into troll show.
 
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