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I guess Dumba gotta go

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Team: 2020-21 Minnesota Wild
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 15, 2020
Published: Sep. 15, 2020
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There is way too much cap tied up in the defense. Spurg is overpaid on a brutal contract and with the new Brodin signing, things are only getting worse.

These moves allow for cap space to resign Fiala and Kaprisov next season
Free Agent Signings
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2$2,000,000
4$4,500,000
4$4,500,000
1$925,000
1$925,000
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3$3,000,000
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2020
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2021
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$71,257,758$0$925,000$10,242,242
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
RW, LW
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$1,625,000$1,625,000
C
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$925,000$925K)
LW
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$7,538,462$7,538,462
LW
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UFA - 5
$4,500,000$4,500,000
C
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RW, C
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
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NMC
UFA - 4
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$1,487,500$1,487,500
C
UFA - 1
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$1,900,000$1,900,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
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LW, C, RW
UFA - 1
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$2,050,000$2,050,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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LD
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NMC
UFA - 1
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RD
NMC
UFA - 7
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$785,000$785,000
G
UFA - 2
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$700,000$700,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$2,250,000$2,250,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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UFA - 1
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Sep. 15, 2020 at 4:17 p.m.
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Am Yisrael Chai
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Hawks don't need RHD. They wanted Brodin lol
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Sep. 15, 2020 at 4:19 p.m.
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Hawks don't need a RHD. Sign and trade deal for Brodin and Strome ($4M for 3) otherwise respectfully nothing of interest for the Hawks.
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Sep. 15, 2020 at 4:21 p.m.
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The last thing the Hawks need is a $6m RHD in Dumba.
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Sep. 15, 2020 at 4:25 p.m.
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Edited Sep. 15, 2020 at 4:31 p.m.
Quoting: ChiHawk
Hawks don't need a RHD. Sign and trade deal for Brodin and Strome ($4M for 3) otherwise respectfully nothing of interest for the Hawks.


Yeah I agree. The Hawks wanted Brodin. They need a LD more than right. Sign and trades don't happen much in the NHL so I'm not optimistic especially because he has a FULL NMC the 1st four year per Lebrun (AND retroactive to this upcoming season before his new deal starts), but anything is possible.
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Sep. 15, 2020 at 4:30 p.m.
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hawks don't want Dumba. Now that Brodin is off the table, the wild's hope of getting strome is just about 0
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Sep. 15, 2020 at 4:31 p.m.
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hawks don't want Dumba. Now that Brodin is off the table, the wild's hope of getting strome is just about 0


1st round pick?
Sep. 15, 2020 at 4:33 p.m.
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Seems unlikely that a top 4 D would sign there as a UFA unless they wanted to go to Seattle in the expansion draft.
Sep. 15, 2020 at 4:35 p.m.
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1st round pick?


Strome was a 3rd OA pick a few years ago and is just starting to come into his own. Taking a gamble on someone like Lundell with the #9 when we have a proven asset would not be a wise choice.
Sep. 15, 2020 at 4:53 p.m.
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You know nothing JS
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Habs knocks at the door and offer MIN Domi + Dman instead.
Sep. 15, 2020 at 5:01 p.m.
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Spurgeon is not overpaid lol.

Hes a top 5-7 defenseman in the NHL

Suter is the one who is overpaid
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Sep. 15, 2020 at 5:06 p.m.
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Spurgeon's deal is good. He's a legit top pairing guy. Brodin and Suter are the "brutal" contracts and Dumba is super overrated. They should have traded Brodin now, protected Suter, Spurgeon and Dumba and then traded Dumba post-expansion draft when Addison could step in.

I don't think the Wild can be serious about contention while Suter, Parise, and Zuccarello are still on the books for as long as they are. All of their young players will require big paydays before those three expire and you simply don't have the cap space for it. Spurgeon and Brodin make a lot but Spurgeon and Brodin are also really really good at what they do. Those other three guys, the results are mixed at best, and they're only going to get worse. My point being- your defense isn't the issue, it's the length of the contracts for your old players who are already in decline.
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Sep. 15, 2020 at 7:52 p.m.
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Quoting: Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan
Hawks don't need RHD. They wanted Brodin lol


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Spurgeon's deal is good. He's a legit top pairing guy. Brodin and Suter are the "brutal" contracts and Dumba is super overrated. They should have traded Brodin now, protected Suter, Spurgeon and Dumba and then traded Dumba post-expansion draft when Addison could step in.

I don't think the Wild can be serious about contention while Suter, Parise, and Zuccarello are still on the books for as long as they are. All of their young players will require big paydays before those three expire and you simply don't have the cap space for it. Spurgeon and Brodin make a lot but Spurgeon and Brodin are also really really good at what they do. Those other three guys, the results are mixed at best, and they're only going to get worse. My point being- your defense isn't the issue, it's the length of the contracts for your old players who are already in decline.


Brodin has a full NMC. Also how are yall gonna say brodin is too much, dumba is too much, spurgeon is too much, They are all amazing top 4 defenseman. Spurgeon yes should be lower, Suter is the awful contract
Sep. 16, 2020 at 11:14 a.m.
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Edited Sep. 16, 2020 at 11:21 a.m.
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Brodin has a full NMC. Also how are yall gonna say brodin is too much, dumba is too much, spurgeon is too much, They are all amazing top 4 defenseman. Spurgeon yes should be lower, Suter is the awful contract


I don't know why you responded to me to make this point because it has little to do with what I was saying but alright let's talk about this.

The going rate for a player like Brodin is significantly lower than 6x7. He's a great player, which I said, but this contract absolutely overpays him. And Brodin didn't have a NMC before he signed this contract. I'm saying they should have traded him instead of re-signing him if this was going to be his asking price.

Spurgeon should not be lower. He is well paid for what he does, which is being an elite defenseman. Great contract, no notes.

Suter, yes, awful contract.

I never said Dumba's contract was too much, I just said he was overrated, which is true. "Amazing" top four defenseman? Idk, he's good, but amazing? The idea that they need to move heaven and earth to keep him, which they did in the Vegas draft and now we're talking about doing something weird again, is silly. I also said that what is handcuffing this team is the contracts for declining players deep in the thirties. That's not Dumba. But because of the decisions to sign those other contracts, that's going to cost you stuff now. Dumba's contract is fine and he is worth a lot to the league but he is not deserving of being an untouchable part of this team, he simply does not provide enough value to warrant it- he's overrated. This is especially true when they've got Addison, who will be cheap, coming up. It would have been smarter to keep Dumba through the expansion draft and seamlessly transition. With the Brodin extension, now they don't have that luxury, because Dumba will cost assets to protect (not worth it) or he's gone for nothing. You have to trade Dumba before the expansion draft now.
Sep. 16, 2020 at 4:22 p.m.
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I don't know why you responded to me to make this point because it has little to do with what I was saying but alright let's talk about this.

The going rate for a player like Brodin is significantly lower than 6x7. He's a great player, which I said, but this contract absolutely overpays him. And Brodin didn't have a NMC before he signed this contract. I'm saying they should have traded him instead of re-signing him if this was going to be his asking price.

Spurgeon should not be lower. He is well paid for what he does, which is being an elite defenseman. Great contract, no notes.

Suter, yes, awful contract.

I never said Dumba's contract was too much, I just said he was overrated, which is true. "Amazing" top four defenseman? Idk, he's good, but amazing? The idea that they need to move heaven and earth to keep him, which they did in the Vegas draft and now we're talking about doing something weird again, is silly. I also said that what is handcuffing this team is the contracts for declining players deep in the thirties. That's not Dumba. But because of the decisions to sign those other contracts, that's going to cost you stuff now. Dumba's contract is fine and he is worth a lot to the league but he is not deserving of being an untouchable part of this team, he simply does not provide enough value to warrant it- he's overrated. This is especially true when they've got Addison, who will be cheap, coming up. It would have been smarter to keep Dumba through the expansion draft and seamlessly transition. With the Brodin extension, now they don't have that luxury, because Dumba will cost assets to protect (not worth it) or he's gone for nothing. You have to trade Dumba before the expansion draft now.


he had a nmc last season check his capfriendly
Sep. 16, 2020 at 4:23 p.m.
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I don't know why you responded to me to make this point because it has little to do with what I was saying but alright let's talk about this.

The going rate for a player like Brodin is significantly lower than 6x7. He's a great player, which I said, but this contract absolutely overpays him. And Brodin didn't have a NMC before he signed this contract. I'm saying they should have traded him instead of re-signing him if this was going to be his asking price.

Spurgeon should not be lower. He is well paid for what he does, which is being an elite defenseman. Great contract, no notes.

Suter, yes, awful contract.

I never said Dumba's contract was too much, I just said he was overrated, which is true. "Amazing" top four defenseman? Idk, he's good, but amazing? The idea that they need to move heaven and earth to keep him, which they did in the Vegas draft and now we're talking about doing something weird again, is silly. I also said that what is handcuffing this team is the contracts for declining players deep in the thirties. That's not Dumba. But because of the decisions to sign those other contracts, that's going to cost you stuff now. Dumba's contract is fine and he is worth a lot to the league but he is not deserving of being an untouchable part of this team, he simply does not provide enough value to warrant it- he's overrated. This is especially true when they've got Addison, who will be cheap, coming up. It would have been smarter to keep Dumba through the expansion draft and seamlessly transition. With the Brodin extension, now they don't have that luxury, because Dumba will cost assets to protect (not worth it) or he's gone for nothing. You have to trade Dumba before the expansion draft now.


Here is what I agree with: Dumba is overated and slightly overpaid, Suters awful
Disagree, I think spurgeon should be at most 6.75 million
Sep. 16, 2020 at 4:45 p.m.
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he had a nmc last season check his capfriendly


Look at the note below that though- retroactively applied as of yesterday, when he signed his new contract. It's a thing they can do, I guess so they can't sign and trade without player consent. Happened with the Faulk extension this year too. though I try not to think about it too much.
 
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