Dumba speculation

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Created by: alwaysnextyear

Team: 2020-21 Vancouver Canucks

Initial Creation Date: Sep. 16, 2020

Published: Sep. 16, 2020

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Writers at TSN and The Province are both throwing speculation around that the Canucks and Wild could look to do a deal around Boeser and Dumba. What needs to be added if it happens?

If it were 1-for-1 then I'd expect the Wild would have to add at least a mid-round pick or prospect to make up the difference in value due to age and years left with team control. Instead I added Stalock from MIN and a 4th from VAN; Guerin made it very clear he'd be shaking up his goaltending and has Kahkonen ready to step in. For VAN Stalock would provide a capable backup for two years on a very cheap deal which would be huge for their cap situation whether they re-sign Markstrom or go with Demko. Thoughts?

Free Agent Signings

RFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Virtanen, Jake	2	$2,500,000
Gaudette, Adam	2	$2,000,000
Motte, Tyler	2	$1,000,000
MacEwen, Zack	2	$900,000
Stecher, Troy	1	$2,750,000

UFA		YEARS	CAP HIT
Toffoli, Tyler		4	$5,250,000
Leivo, Josh		1	$2,000,000

Trades

VAN

MIN

Boeser, Brock
2021 4th round pick (VAN)

Buyouts

Ryan Spooner: $1,033,333

Recapture Fees

Roberto Luongo: $3,035,212

Buried

Sven Baertschi: $2,291,666 ($3,366,666)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2020
2021
2022

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$81,500,000	$78,500,211	$1,700,000	$4,550,000	$2,999,789

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Miller, J.T. $5,250,000$5,250,000 C, LW, RW UFA - 3	Pettersson, Elias $925,000$925,000 ($2,850,000$3M) C, LW UFA - 1	Toffoli, Tyler $5,250,000$5,250,000 RW, LW UFA - 4
Pearson, Tanner $3,750,000$3,750,000 LW UFA - 1	Horvat, Bo $4,125,000$4,125,000 C UFA - 3	Virtanen, Jake $2,500,000$2,500,000 RW, LW UFA - 2
	Gaudette, Adam $2,000,000$2,000,000 C, RW UFA - 1	Leivo, Josh $2,000,000$2,000,000 RW, LW UFA - 1
	Beagle, Jay $3,000,000$3,000,000 C M-NTC UFA - 2
Roussel, Antoine $3,000,000$3,000,000 LW M-NTC UFA - 2		MacEwen, Zack $900,000$900,000 RW, C UFA - 2
Motte, Tyler $1,000,000$1,000,000 LW, RW UFA - 2

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Hughes, Quinn $916,667$916,667 ($850,000$850K) LD UFA - 1	Dumba, Matt $6,000,000$6,000,000 RD UFA - 3	Demko, Thatcher $1,050,000$1,050,000 G UFA - 1
Edler, Alexander $6,000,000$6,000,000 LD NMC UFA - 1	Myers, Tyler $6,000,000$6,000,000 RD NTC UFA - 4
Juolevi, Olli $863,333$863,333 ($850,000$850K) LD UFA - 1	Stecher, Troy $2,750,000$2,750,000 RD UFA - 2	Stalock, Alex $785,000$785,000 G UFA - 2

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Eriksson, Loui $6,000,000$6,000,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 2		Ferland, Micheal $3,500,000$3,500,000 LW, RW NMC UFA - 3
Sutter, Brandon $4,375,000$4,375,000 RW, C M-NTC UFA - 1
Benn, Jordie $2,000,000$2,000,000 LD/RD M-NTC UFA - 1

Sep. 16, 2020 at 11:47 a.m.

Jeuck75

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This is a bad deal for Boeser. Boeser is better than Dumba

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Sep. 16, 2020 at 11:50 a.m.

alwaysnextyear

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Quoting: Jeuck75

This is a bad deal for Boeser. Boeser is better than Dumba

What would you add on the MIN side? I didn't have a great read on what Stalock's value would be; he's a 33 YO backup but his contract makes him appealing.

Sep. 16, 2020 at 11:54 a.m.

Jeuck75

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Quoting: alwaysnextyear

What would you add on the MIN side? I didn't have a great read on what Stalock's value would be; he's a 33 YO backup but his contract makes him appealing.

Not sure how Wild fans would react to this but maybe add a 1st. (a lower pick though, like 18th-30th. Or maybe just a young prospect)

Sep. 16, 2020 at 11:55 a.m.

alwaysnextyear

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Quoting: Jeuck75

Not sure how Wild fans would react to this but maybe add a 1st. (a lower pick though, like 18th-30th. Or maybe just a young prospect)

I doubt they go for that.

Sep. 16, 2020 at 11:58 a.m.

newballcoach

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I think the reason people are saying it is only because Boeser is from Minnesota. That's the only fit. Minny needs centre help, while Boeser is good, he doesn't help them there.

Dumba is their best asset and (assuming they choose to trade him) not filling your biggest weakness with your best asset is a big mistake.

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Sep. 16, 2020 at 11:58 a.m.

OutCold13

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Wild need a center. Wings don't make sense for Minnesota. I just don't see it.
Let's say the Wild were interested in this deal I don't see the Wild adding. As you stated Canucks need cap space and I think to get it, it will cost a premium so no add possible that Guerin even asks for a better pick. I do understand Boeser has more value than Dumba but money is huge right now.

Sep. 16, 2020 at 11:58 a.m.

Jeuck75

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Quoting: alwaysnextyear

I doubt they go for that.

Vancouver Gets:
Dumba, Stalock, 1st 2020 or 2021 (either the Pens or Wild pick in 2021)

Wild Gets:
Boeser
2nd 2020

Sep. 16, 2020 at 12:03 p.m.

alwaysnextyear

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Quoting: newballcoach

Yeah, the need is more from the VAN side, they could use a RD.

Sep. 16, 2020 at 12:06 p.m.

GrinReaper

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If it’s one for one Vancouver needs to add
Dumba is a top right shot has move value then a top 6 winger
Min is going to look at Brock’s contract and see he has to be qualified at 7.5 mil so far Brock hasn’t shown he’s worth 7.5 on his next deal
Dumba his been moved for a top 6 centre van has Gaudette but he only projects to be a 3rd line centre

Don’t see these teams being trading partners

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Sep. 16, 2020 at 12:16 p.m.

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SydBarrett

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Why spend a good asset to get an overrated defenseman when you can just sign Barrie (who is basically Dumba but with better offense) for free in FA .
People seem to forget Dumba has only topped 30 points twice in his career. His career average is a whopping 34 points per season.

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Sep. 16, 2020 at 12:19 p.m.

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JayTea

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Quoting: pensburgh571

Dumb people also forget Dumba isn’t Barrie and actually gets PK time.

Sep. 16, 2020 at 12:20 p.m.

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newballcoach

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I could see Arizona working into this deal and turning it into a 3-way.

Van gets Dumba
AZ gets Boeser
Minny gets Dvorak/Schmalz (whoever they like better) plus ????

Or else I could see Anaheim being interested in a Dumba for Henrique plus trade.

Sep. 16, 2020 at 12:21 p.m.

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Barilko14

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Quoting: pensburgh571

This is very true. Barrie obviously has some warts, but a team is way better off signing Barrie for what will likely be less than $6M, then trading a Top 6 C for Dumba.

Both are offensive dmen that you don't really want on the ice vs. McDavid, Kuchherov, etc. too often.

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Sep. 16, 2020 at 12:22 p.m.

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Barilko14

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Quoting: JayTea

Dumb people also forget Dumba isn’t Barrie and actually gets PK time.

5th on Minny in PK time when everyone is healthy last few years.

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Sep. 16, 2020 at 12:23 p.m.

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JayTea

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Quoting: Barilko14

5th on Minny in PK time when everyone is healthy last few years.

And Nylander is the Leafs 4th best forward. What’s your point?

Sep. 16, 2020 at 12:26 p.m.

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Barilko14

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Quoting: JayTea

And Nylander is the Leafs 4th best forward. What’s your point?

Barrie costing only $$ >>>>>>> Dumba when he costs Nugent-Hopkins level C.

Difference in their own zone abilities does not come close to bridging that gap.

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Sep. 16, 2020 at 12:28 p.m.

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JayTea

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Quoting: Barilko14

Barrie costing only $$ >>>>>>> Dumba when he costs Nugent-Hopkins level C.

Difference in their own zone abilities does not come close to bridging that gap.

You missed my point, so let me explain it slowly for you.

Dumba being 5th in PK ice time for the Wild doesn't mean he wouldn't be an upgrade for another team with a huge need at defense. The fact that he EVER sees PK time when everyone is healthy on a team with a solid defense like Minnesota shows he's not a complete defensive liability.

Sep. 16, 2020 at 12:32 p.m.

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SydBarrett

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Quoting: JayTea

Dumb people also forget Dumba isn’t Barrie and actually gets PK time.

Come on bro save the name calling for grade school 😂. My point is valid regardless of if you want to see it or not. Everyone now knows the wild want to trade dumba which lowers his value as well. As pointed out, dumba barely even plays PK when the team is healthy. He's a one dimensional defenseman. There is a better one dimensional defenseman available in free agency that would probably come on a cheaper contract.

Sep. 16, 2020 at 12:34 p.m.

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Barilko14

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Quoting: JayTea

OK. My point still stands though. He's not enough of an upgrade defensively over Barrie (not a high bar) to make acquiring him for useful assets more beneficial to a team then just signing Barrie.

The acquiring team is going to want someone to play Top 4 minutes, and PP time. The fact that Dumba can PK a bit does not make him "Nugent-Hopkins" level better than nothing but $$ Barrie.

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Sep. 16, 2020 at 2:01 p.m.

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VAN is not moving Boeser

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