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Buljujarvi

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Russel isn’t a cap dump

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Sep. 16, 2020 at 12:22 p.m.

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The other ones Drai

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Quoting: ConnorMcHellebucyk

Russel isn’t a cap dump

really
theres always something wrong

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Sep. 16, 2020 at 12:25 p.m.

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Buljujarvi

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Quoting: ConnorMcJesus

really
theres always something wrong

Why is that a problem? It’s constructive criticism.

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Sep. 16, 2020 at 12:25 p.m.

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Quoting: ConnorMcHellebucyk

Russel isn’t a cap dump

I don't think so either. But everyone else does so based of that I put his value as so. Also Holland needs to move at least 1 vet D out to make room for Jones, Bouch and lag to get some playing time. If it's going to be anyone it should be Russel and if it costs a 3rd with only a 6th coming back I wouldn't cry over it. (Not like the Hall for Larsson trade, I still curl up in a ball over it). I still think this team will be more then good enough to make the playoffs.

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Sep. 16, 2020 at 12:26 p.m.

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Quoting: ConnorMcHellebucyk

Why is that a problem? It’s constructive criticism.

lol
you dont need to critisize something that theres nothing wrong with

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Sep. 16, 2020 at 12:27 p.m.

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I don't think so either. But everyone else does so based of that I put his value as so. Also Holland needs to move at least 1 vet D out to make room for Jones, Bouch and lag to get some playing time. If it's going to be anyone it should be Russel and if it costs a 3rd with only a 6th coming back I wouldn't cry over it. (Not like the Hall for Larsson trade, I still curl up in a ball over it). I still think this team will be more then good enough to make the playoffs.

If I hear the name Taylor Hall one more time I’m gonna scream.

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Sep. 16, 2020 at 12:27 p.m.

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Quoting: ConnorMcJesus

lol
you dont need to critisize something that theres nothing wrong with

That’s literally the point of AGM

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Sep. 16, 2020 at 12:27 p.m.

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(Not like the Hall for Larsson trade, I still curl up in a ball over it). .

aannndd my PTSD is back

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Sep. 16, 2020 at 12:27 p.m.

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Quoting: ConnorMcHellebucyk

That’s literally the point of AGM

true
true

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Sep. 16, 2020 at 12:32 p.m.

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I get why people call him a cap dump because he has AAV of 4million but his true salary is only 1.5m and I dont think any team should be begging for him but oilers should not have to pay much for a team like ottowa who has plenty of cap and can get help from an older vet guiding young players. I dont see why edmonton cant do what Pittsburgh just did with Minnesota.

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Sep. 16, 2020 at 12:36 p.m.

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Quoting: ConnorMcHellebucyk

Russel isn’t a cap dump

Neither was Marleau but they still had to attach a 1st to get rid of his 6M cap hit for 1 year. Don't think it takes a 1st for Russel but it'd be at least a 2nd, which is kinda problematic when considering the Oilers' picks.

Alternatively, I'd trade Tierney+NYI 1st+DAL 2nd for Russell+14th overall. Drop back 14 spots in the 1st but pick up an long term 3C and add another pick to use or deal. While offloading Russell. Either way I don't see Russell waiving his NTC for Ottawa.

Also there's probably a better way for Edmonton to use that 14th overall.

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Sep. 16, 2020 at 12:40 p.m.

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I really enjoyed reading this. Share a lot of similar beliefs on direction of the team. I can understand why you posted that trade the way you did. Avoid value argument isn’t really worth getting into. Very few players actually carry negative value it’s just a misconception soooo many around here have. Great job in my opinion

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Sep. 16, 2020 at 12:40 p.m.

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Quoting: ConnorMcHellebucyk

Russel isn’t a cap dump

he absolutely is a cap dump? 4 million for a 3rd pairing LHD .....maybe if their was a high demand for LHD OR if it wasn't a flat cap era. Capitals paid Grub to dump Orpik... Leafs paid 1st to dump PM... sometimes you get lucky like the Penguins and get a late pick but thats not always possible.

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Sep. 16, 2020 at 12:48 p.m.

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Neither was Marleau but they still had to attach a 1st to get rid of his 6M cap hit for 1 year. Don't think it takes a 1st for Russel but it'd be at least a 2nd, which is kinda problematic when considering the Oilers' picks.

Alternatively, I'd trade Tierney+NYI 1st+DAL 2nd for Russell+14th overall. Drop back 14 spots in the 1st but pick up an long term 3C and add another pick to use or deal. While offloading Russell. Either way I don't see Russell waiving his NTC for Ottawa.

Also there's probably a better way for Edmonton to use that 14th overall.

God I hate this debate. Toronto paid a first to have a team preform a buyout. That is completely different situation and has absolutely no comparable to this. If want to buyout russell that’s not on the oilers that’s a stupid choice another team decides to do. Trading a player who is among the best in the league at blocking shots and is versatile enough to be slot in just about anywhere on blueline. Under appreciated veteran who plays with a crap ton of heart.

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Sep. 16, 2020 at 12:51 p.m.

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Quoting: Dache07

I get why people call him a cap dump because he has AAV of 4million but his true salary is only 1.5m and I dont think any team should be begging for him but oilers should not have to pay much for a team like ottowa who has plenty of cap and can get help from an older vet guiding young players. I dont see why edmonton cant do what Pittsburgh just did with Minnesota.

If they can do what the pens did I would be happy with that.

Sep. 16, 2020 at 12:56 p.m.

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Quoting: Timmah007

I really enjoyed reading this. Share a lot of similar beliefs on direction of the team. I can understand why you posted that trade the way you did. Avoid value argument isn’t really worth getting into. Very few players actually carry negative value it’s just a misconception soooo many around here have. Great job in my opinion

Thank you. I see a lot of ideas on here some way more outrageous then others. I just wanted to put something out there that was safe, simple and still realistic. And I honestly believe that this team team would be perfect for next year and then it's a whole other ball game with all the prospects one more year ahead. We will see what nuge signs for. Yamo couldn go of this year. AA could replicate his season from two years ago,maybe even be better. JP could come back and play much better. And I genuinely think he will. I know it's just the SM-Liiga but man. He's miles ahead of everyone in preseason so far. An he was one of if not the best over there last year. Holland will have way more options and trade chips next season after a successful season and playoffs. Still to soon for a cup though.

Sep. 16, 2020 at 12:58 p.m.

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Quoting: Timmah007

God I hate this debate. Toronto paid a first to have a team preform a buyout. That is completely different situation and has absolutely no comparable to this. If want to buyout russell that’s not on the oilers that’s a stupid choice another team decides to do. Trading a player who is among the best in the league at blocking shots and is versatile enough to be slot in just about anywhere on blueline. Under appreciated veteran who plays with a crap ton of heart.

Aman

Sep. 16, 2020 at 1:01 p.m.

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Quoting: JmoneyTalk

Thank you. I see a lot of ideas on here some way more outrageous then others. I just wanted to put something out there that was safe, simple and still realistic. And I honestly believe that this team team would be perfect for next year and then it's a whole other ball game with all the prospects one more year ahead. We will see what nuge signs for. Yamo couldn go of this year. AA could replicate his season from two years ago,maybe even be better. JP could come back and play much better. And I genuinely think he will. I know it's just the SM-Liiga but man. He's miles ahead of everyone in preseason so far. An he was one of if not the best over there last year. Holland will have way more options and trade chips next season after a successful season and playoffs. Still to soon for a cup though.

100% agree. I’m super excited to see jp back. I never blamed him for leaving after watching the way he was treated his entire time in Edmonton. We should be very thankful there is even hope of his return I’m honestly unsure if I’d return if put in his position. Great job really really really like the realistic approach this team doesn’t need much it has the pieces mostly in place just might take another year

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Sep. 16, 2020 at 1:11 p.m.

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Quoting: Timmah007

100% agree. I’m super excited to see jp back. I never blamed him for leaving after watching the way he was treated his entire time in Edmonton. We should be very thankful there is even hope of his return I’m honestly unsure if I’d return if put in his position. Great job really really really like the realistic approach this team doesn’t need much it has the pieces mostly in place just might take another year

Exactly! Although, the Oilers did miss manage JPs playing time and anchors, I mean line mates I think he could of played this season in Edmonton and he would of ended up playing with McDavid. But he did regain a ton of confidence going back home. Fingers crossed he comes back and grinds his way back to the top and finds a home in the city of champions.

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Sep. 16, 2020 at 1:28 p.m.

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100% agree. I’m super excited to see jp back. I never blamed him for leaving after watching the way he was treated his entire time in Edmonton. We should be very thankful there is even hope of his return I’m honestly unsure if I’d return if put in his position. Great job really really really like the realistic approach this team doesn’t need much it has the pieces mostly in place just might take another year

If you have time read this. It's a trade rumour but there's mention of JPs treatment.

https://www.beerleagueheroes.com/edmonton-oilers-youve-got-to-read-this-hf-boards-post/

Sep. 16, 2020 at 1:32 p.m.

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Quoting: JmoneyTalk

Exactly! Although, the Oilers did miss manage JPs playing time and anchors, I mean line mates I think he could of played this season in Edmonton and he would of ended up playing with McDavid. But he did regain a ton of confidence going back home. Fingers crossed he comes back and grinds his way back to the top and finds a home in the city of champions.

I don’t think jp would have rebounded without the break away. As ugly as the situation has looked it’s going to be viewed as a huge blessing for everyone. I think we did the same harm to him as we did with Shultz just very fortunate in this case still have his rights.

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Sep. 16, 2020 at 1:50 p.m.

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Quoting: Timmah007

I don’t think jp would have rebounded without the break away. As ugly as the situation has looked it’s going to be viewed as a huge blessing for everyone. I think we did the same harm to him as we did with Shultz just very fortunate in this case still have his rights.

Agreed. Can't wait to see how the next year unfolds aha

Sep. 16, 2020 at 1:50 p.m.

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If you have time read this. It's a trade rumour but there's mention of JPs treatment.

https://www.beerleagueheroes.com/edmonton-oilers-youve-got-to-read-this-hf-boards-post/

Ya I heard mcdavid didn’t want jp on his line before. I don’t know how much to put into that tho. Heard that rumour only justifiable explanation is communication barrier which is worth correcting. I just find it hard to believe mcdavid gave his blessing to add manning to the team but is dead set against jp. Not sure how much stock should be put in it. Perhaps I’m wrong. Interesting article

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Sep. 16, 2020 at 1:52 p.m.

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