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Kuemper and Dumba

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Team: 2020-21 Calgary Flames
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 16, 2020
Published: Sep. 16, 2020
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2$950,000
2$750,000
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  1. Ruzicka, Adam
  2. 2020 4th round pick (SJS)
  3. 2021 1st round pick (CGY)
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  1. Donato, Ryan
  2. Dumba, Matt
  3. 2021 1st round pick (MIN)
MIN
  1. Monahan, Sean
  2. 2021 3rd round pick (CGY)
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  1. 2020 4th round pick (BUF)
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Sep. 16, 2020 at 1:22 p.m.
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I could see Rittich going back in that Kuemper deal. I think the Dumba trade is probable with Monahan going for Dumba and another asset but hard to say how good that asset needs to be.
Sep. 16, 2020 at 1:24 p.m.
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Upgrade the prospect and the Keumper deal might happen but they’re looking for a roster player as well (not Rittich)
Sep. 16, 2020 at 1:25 p.m.
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If i'm Minnesota i take that and run, That's probably the kind of offer that Wild GM Bill Guerin is looking for.
Sep. 16, 2020 at 1:27 p.m.
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Im probably in the minority here, but no way i give up that much for Monahan! He’s too one dimensional for the amount of points he produces.
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Sep. 16, 2020 at 1:28 p.m.
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If i'm Minnesota i take that and run, That's probably the kind of offer that Wild GM Bill Guerin is looking for.


Only if the 1st was swapped out for a 2nd.
Sep. 16, 2020 at 1:29 p.m.
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Seems like too much for Monahan and too much for Kuemper imo. Can't see anyone giving up a 1st + with so many goalies available this year
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Sep. 16, 2020 at 1:32 p.m.
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Quoting: MNBassman
Only if the 1st was swapped out for a 2nd.


Yeah the 1st might be a little too much, 2nd would be more then fair.
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Sep. 16, 2020 at 1:51 p.m.
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Im probably in the minority here, but no way i give up that much for Monahan! He’s too one dimensional for the amount of points he produces.


No I agree Bassman, Monahan hasn't been that good.
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Sep. 16, 2020 at 2:25 p.m.
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Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
If i'm Minnesota i take that and run, That's probably the kind of offer that Wild GM Bill Guerin is looking for.


I think it makes a ton of sense for both clubs. Minny can't cover all 4 of its D-Men for the expansion, and the Flames have one to many forwards to cover. Also, allows the Flames to pass on Brodie and Gustafsson. Dumba could be the future 1D for his hometown team.

Minnesota needs a 1C, regardless of Monahan's downfalls, he is a 1C 30 goal perennial player.
Sep. 16, 2020 at 2:26 p.m.
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Quoting: MNBassman
Only if the 1st was swapped out for a 2nd.


No way Sean is being traded without a 1st rounder coming back.
Sep. 16, 2020 at 2:27 p.m.
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No I agree Bassman, Monahan hasn't been that good.


Not that good? He has his downfalls but seriously....not that good? Have you watched the Wild for the last decade? This guy is a perennial 30 goal scorer. He's a big body centre under a good contract for 3 years and puts binky in the net. I find it hard to believe Bill Guerin wouldn't bite at the chance to acquire a proper 1C.
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Sep. 16, 2020 at 2:31 p.m.
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Not that good? He has his downfalls but seriously....not that good? Have you watched the Wild for the last decade? This guy is a perennial 30 goal scorer. He's a big body centre under a good contract for 3 years and puts binky in the net. I find it hard to believe Bill Guerin wouldn't bite at the chance to acquire a proper 1C.


Not saying he isn't good just not worth Dumba, a young forward and a 1st. I would be happy to have him but the price is more than Wild should be paying in my opinion.
Sep. 16, 2020 at 2:34 p.m.
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Not saying he isn't good just not worth Dumba, a young forward and a 1st. I would be happy to have him but the price is more than Wild should be paying in my opinion.


Did you see what I said above about the expansion draft? You remember this guy called Alex Tuch?

No way Minny goes through that hell again. Gotta move one of the d-men, I doubt locking Spurgeon and Brodin up long term means they're getting dealt. Dumba's value is high. Maybe downgrade from Donato a bit, but Dumba a 1st and a depth player is what it will cost you to get a proper centre in this league. Whether its Sean or someone else.
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Sep. 16, 2020 at 2:43 p.m.
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Did you see what I said above about the expansion draft? You remember this guy called Alex Tuch?

No way Minny goes through that hell again. Gotta move one of the d-men, I doubt locking Spurgeon and Brodin up long term means they're getting dealt. Dumba's value is high. Maybe downgrade from Donato a bit, but Dumba a 1st and a depth player is what it will cost you to get a proper centre in this league. Whether its Sean or someone else.


Dumba is getting moved before the ED but it is my opinion that Dumba has more value than you are giving him. Dumba plus is probably fair for Monahan but Dumba and a 1st is a no for me.
Sep. 16, 2020 at 2:46 p.m.
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No way Sean is being traded without a 1st rounder coming back.


Fine with me - i dont want him anyway!
Sep. 16, 2020 at 3:34 p.m.
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Im probably in the minority here, but no way i give up that much for Monahan! He’s too one dimensional for the amount of points he produces.


But... but... buuuut... All Wild fans know we shouldn't rely on on the safe defensive minded centers and that we want a non-defensive offense only scoring center because we waaant chaaaaange!

*end sarcasm*

Look, I hear ya, but I highly doubt Guerin would get a better offer than that for a legitimate 1C. Even if he’s a lesser center I would prefer Cirelli too, but for this price, you do it, end of discussion. It's a overpayment, no question, but you gotta look at it from Calgary's perspective too. They're still trading away their 1C in this deal, sure Lindholm can hold down the fort but he's more a middle rung 2C like Cirelli or Koivu, and like us Calgary's center depth isn't all that great.

This is a fair ask in my opinion.


Besides, you seem to forget we have a pretty damn good defensive core, I think we'll be fine and can watch the kid's back well enough. Not to mention he is exactly the type of center Fiala needs.
Sep. 16, 2020 at 4:48 p.m.
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But... but... buuuut... All Wild fans know we shouldn't rely on on the safe defensive minded centers and that we want a non-defensive offense only scoring center because we waaant chaaaaange!

*end sarcasm*

Look, I hear ya, but I highly doubt Guerin would get a better offer than that for a legitimate 1C. Even if he’s a lesser center I would prefer Cirelli too, but for this price, you do it, end of discussion. It's a overpayment, no question, but you gotta look at it from Calgary's perspective too. They're still trading away their 1C in this deal, sure Lindholm can hold down the fort but he's more a middle rung 2C like Cirelli or Koivu, and like us Calgary's center depth isn't all that great.

This is a fair ask in my opinion.


Besides, you seem to forget we have a pretty damn good defensive core, I think we'll be fine and can watch the kid's back well enough. Not to mention he is exactly the type of center Fiala needs.



Very well said, but a looooooooong ways from convincing me.

If you put Monahan and Fiala on the same line...they might score 100 goals, but they will give up 150.
Sep. 16, 2020 at 6:06 p.m.
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Very well said, but a looooooooong ways from convincing me.

If you put Monahan and Fiala on the same line...they might score 100 goals, but they will give up 150.


I have no issues with your mindset or your opinion. As I said, I hear ya. I actually agree with you about defensive centers. Your opinion is your own, as is mine. I wouldn't dream of it, nor am I inconsiderate enough to try to.

The reasons I want Cirelli over Monahan are the same reasons I want Lundell over other prospects at the Draft. Exceptional defensive acumen and shutdown prowess but with just enough offensive flair/capability to make them viable for a top six role, plus they're damn good on the face off dot, which is something we lack with Koivu now gone. Sans Galchenyuk too.

To be clear, I'd be perfectly happy and fine if we could get Rossi or for that matter Monahan. You just adjust the roster accordingly. With a defensive minded center next to Fiala you need to have a second scoring winger on the left side to pick up the production drop off. Conversely, with an offensive center like Monahan, make sure you have defenseman who like to stay home and cover for them while they put pucks in net. We have three of the best. Spurgeon, Brodin, Suter. Even if Suter's getting a little long in the tooth.

So, instead of a pure scorer at 1LW, get a hard-checking defensive minded scoring two-way power forward who can play in the top six and chip in offensively once in a while. I know, easier said than done, right? Ideally, Greenway would be that guy. But he's not. So who else do we have? Kaprizov fits this mold to a tee, despite his smaller stature. But we ideally want him on separate lines to give us better scoring depth. Parise already does a lot of these things and could work as a good stop-gap until we found someone. Boldy would be the guy I look at to develop into this role. Big, strong, already a sound two-way power forward who could really shine if depended on to perform that kinda role.

Whenever I look to add someone to our roster I also look at how I would continue to build around said player and how it would affect everyone else.

I go get Monahan, I draft Lundell to be my future 2C or 3C. I have a 2nd line of Kaprizov-JEE-Kunin. That 2nd line is both a shutdown line and a scoring line.

I go get Cirelli. I still draft Lundell. I build my center depth with strictly two-way or defensive centers and upgrade my wingers (1LW, 2LW/2RW) to offset the offensive production.

That is what I would do. But that's just my opinion.
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Sep. 16, 2020 at 6:35 p.m.
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I have no issues with your mindset or your opinion. As I said, I hear ya. I actually agree with you about defensive centers. Your opinion is your own, as is mine. I wouldn't dream of it, nor am I inconsiderate enough to try to.

The reasons I want Cirelli over Monahan are the same reasons I want Lundell over other prospects at the Draft. Exceptional defensive acumen and shutdown prowess but with just enough offensive flair/capability to make them viable for a top six role, plus they're damn good on the face off dot, which is something we lack with Koivu now gone. Sans Galchenyuk too.

To be clear, I'd be perfectly happy and fine if we could get Rossi or for that matter Monahan. You just adjust the roster accordingly. With a defensive minded center next to Fiala you need to have a second scoring winger on the left side to pick up the production drop off. Conversely, with an offensive center like Monahan, make sure you have defenseman who like to stay home and cover for them while they put pucks in net. We have three of the best. Spurgeon, Brodin, Suter. Even if Suter's getting a little long in the tooth.

So, instead of a pure scorer at 1LW, get a hard-checking defensive minded scoring two-way power forward who can play in the top six and chip in offensively once in a while. I know, easier said than done, right? Ideally, Greenway would be that guy. But he's not. So who else do we have? Kaprizov fits this mold to a tee, despite his smaller stature. But we ideally want him on separate lines to give us better scoring depth. Parise already does a lot of these things and could work as a good stop-gap until we found someone. Boldy would be the guy I look at to develop into this role. Big, strong, already a sound two-way power forward who could really shine if depended on to perform that kinda role.

Whenever I look to add someone to our roster I also look at how I would continue to build around said player and how it would affect everyone else.

I go get Monahan, I draft Lundell to be my future 2C or 3C. I have a 2nd line of Kaprizov-JEE-Kunin. That 2nd line is both a shutdown line and a scoring line.

I go get Cirelli. I still draft Lundell. I build my center depth with strictly two-way or defensive centers and upgrade my wingers (1LW, 2LW/2RW) to offset the offensive production.

That is what I would do. But that's just my opinion.


This is smart. I enjoyed your explanation.
 
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