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Montreal Canadiens signed Joel Edmundson (4 Years / $3,500,000 AAV)

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Sep. 18, 2020 at 1:08 p.m.
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Nearly PPG in the regular season drops to .5 PPG in the playoffs, Looks like typical Pacioretty to me
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Sep. 21, 2020 at 9:33 a.m.
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Nearly PPG in the regular season drops to .5 PPG in the playoffs, Looks like typical Pacioretty to me

But again there's anothing wrong with this, some guys will take you to the playoffs and others will step up their game in it. It's just that Montreal always had regular season players who wouldn't show up in their playoff games.
Edmundson's playing better in the playoffs by all metrics and I think that's why we signed him.
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Sep. 21, 2020 at 1:13 p.m.
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You can think what you want to think. I'll wait for him to step on the ice before doubting him


weve already seen him step on the ice


and play like absolute ****
Sep. 21, 2020 at 1:14 p.m.
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weve already seen him step on the ice


and play like absolute ****


If that's what you want to think you can. I think otherwise.
Sep. 21, 2020 at 1:32 p.m.
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If that's what you want to think you can. I think otherwise.


Look I love MB underrated and over hated
hes been god like last 2 years

but this on paper looks bad. Yes you can argue Edmunson can surprise and break out and be good. I agree that is a possiblity and i wouldnt be terriblely surprised. But lets be honest what are the odds of that happening

Realisticly he just overpayed for a ld who LIKELY will be worse than kulak and mete and for 4 years with a ntc

So yes there is some upside to this but its not worth the risk.
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Sep. 21, 2020 at 4:34 p.m.
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Look I love MB underrated and over hated
hes been god like last 2 years

but this on paper looks bad. Yes you can argue Edmunson can surprise and break out and be good. I agree that is a possiblity and i wouldnt be terriblely surprised. But lets be honest what are the odds of that happening

Realisticly he just overpayed for a ld who LIKELY will be worse than kulak and mete and for 4 years with a ntc

So yes there is some upside to this but its not worth the risk.


This looks bad on paper because he was the 3rd pairing defender on Carolina? Guess it was his first season and you can't look beyond last year.
Sep. 21, 2020 at 5:50 p.m.
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It's funny, but intermediate contracts really show where Bergevin stands as a great GM


Intermediate contracts like Alzner and Byron?

Ooooooooooooook buddy.
Sep. 22, 2020 at 12:04 a.m.
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Intermediate contracts like Alzner and Byron?

Ooooooooooooook buddy.


Byron was the first since an old era expert centerman playing for buffalo sabres to get such contract for a bottom 6 foward ... Alzner was a stupid shot cause he is a alcohol addict but who knows back then ... you guys spit at the face of people throwing their bodies for your entertainment but money is just a problem because of cap space ... Paul have two major injuries to the head dude and he was one of the best speedster pker around EARTH geez ...

PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPoooooooooooooooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr you to yap around without making a goddam difference.
Sep. 22, 2020 at 7:58 a.m.
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Byron was the first since an old era expert centerman playing for buffalo sabres to get such contract for a bottom 6 foward ... Alzner was a stupid shot cause he is a alcohol addict but who knows back then ... you guys spit at the face of people throwing their bodies for your entertainment but money is just a problem because of cap space ... Paul have two major injuries to the head dude and he was one of the best speedster pker around EARTH geez ... PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPoooooooooooooooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr you to yap around without making a goddam difference.

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I'm a little confused? Are you saying that Alzner and Byron are signed to good intermediate contracts?
I'll be blunt, all of Montreal's long-term deals look terrible within the context of next years cap crunch.


Here is Montreal's entire 8-man roster signed past this season:


$10,500,000 x 6 years = Price (34)
- $8,000,000 x 6 years = Weber (36)
- $5,500,000 x 3 years = Drouin (26)
- $4,500,000 x 2 years = Alzner (32)
- $3,500,000 x 4 years = Edmundson (28)
- $3,500,000 x 3 years = Byron (32)
- $3,500,000 x 2 years = Chiarot (30)
- $2,000,000 x 2 years = Kulak (28)
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Total Cap-Hit = $41,000,000 (50% of ceiling)
Average Cap = $5,200,000 (8 players)
Average Age = 32 years (36 at expiry)


And here are estimates for who they have to sign to stay average:


- $6,000,000 = Tatar
- $6,000,000 = Petry
- $6,000,000 = Domi
- $6,000,000 = Danault
- $6,000,000 = Gallager
- $5,000,000 = Kotkaniemi
- $4,000,000 = Lehkonen
- $4,000,000 = Armia
- $2,000,000 = Mete
- $2,000,000 = Weal
- $2,000,000 = Hudon
- $2,000,000 = Allen/2G
- $1,000,000 = Poehling
- $1,000,000 = Juulsen
- $1,000,000 = Fleury
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Signing Costs = $54,000,000 (15 players)
Roster Totals = $95,000,000 (23 players)
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Cap Overage = $13,500,000


There will be a purge in Montreal next summer (and they don't have the prospects to replace the losses).
And it's clear that Bergevin won't trade any of the good pending UFA's for futures this fall (but he should).


TLDR - The intermediate contracts you praise are about to sink Montreal for years.


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Sep. 22, 2020 at 8:47 a.m.
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Quoting: drewjenkins
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I'm a little confused? Are you saying that Alzner and Byron are signed to good intermediate contracts?
I'll be blunt, all of Montreal's long-term deals look terrible within the context of next years cap crunch.


Here is Montreal's entire 8-man roster signed past this season:


$10,500,000 x 6 years = Price (34)
- $8,000,000 x 6 years = Weber (36)
- $5,500,000 x 3 years = Drouin (26)
- $4,500,000 x 2 years = Alzner (32)
- $3,500,000 x 4 years = Edmundson (28)
- $3,500,000 x 3 years = Byron (32)
- $3,500,000 x 2 years = Chiarot (30)
- $2,000,000 x 2 years = Kulak (28)
---------------------------
Total Cap-Hit = $41,000,000 (50% of ceiling)
Average Cap = $5,200,000 (8 players)
Average Age = 32 years (36 at expiry)


And here are estimates for who they have to sign to stay average:


- $6,000,000 = Tatar
- $6,000,000 = Petry
- $6,000,000 = Domi
- $6,000,000 = Danault
- $6,000,000 = Gallager
- $5,000,000 = Kotkaniemi
- $4,000,000 = Lehkonen
- $4,000,000 = Armia
- $2,000,000 = Mete
- $2,000,000 = Weal
- $2,000,000 = Hudon
- $2,000,000 = Allen/2G
- $1,000,000 = Poehling
- $1,000,000 = Juulsen
- $1,000,000 = Fleury
---------------------------
Signing Costs = $54,000,000 (15 players)
Roster Totals = $95,000,000 (23 players)
---------------------------
Cap Overage = $13,500,000


There will be a purge in Montreal next summer (and they don't have the prospects to replace the losses).
And it's clear that Bergevin won't trade any of the good pending UFA's for futures this fall (but he should).


TLDR - The intermediate contracts you praise are about to sink Montreal for years.


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lmao thats why we trade players

but both of you are right

intermediate contracts like kulak/Danault/Gallagher/armia/lehkonen/drouin have been great for the canadiens

but the bad ones like byron/alzner/edmunson are gonna be trouble
Sep. 22, 2020 at 8:51 a.m.
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This looks bad on paper because he was the 3rd pairing defender on Carolina? Guess it was his first season and you can't look beyond last year.


alright then with STL he was decent hes a decent third pair guy. But do you think its worth the risk that he jumps back to that. Even if he does the contract is still to much.
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Sep. 22, 2020 at 10:25 a.m.
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lmao thats why we trade players

but both of you are right

intermediate contracts like kulak/Danault/Gallagher/armia/lehkonen/drouin have been great for the canadiens

but the bad ones like byron/alzner/edmunson are gonna be trouble


Than we're in agreement.

But most of the great is about to expire, and most of the bad will never retire.

And when the good has proven great, a future date ushers in a twist of fate, as teams must renegotiate.

Ships may sink when great comes due, most keel when faced with two, accept your fate if there's a few.

But I ain't never seen seven at the same m***** f****** time.
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Sep. 22, 2020 at 10:33 a.m.
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Than we're in agreement.

But most of the great is about to expire, and most of the bad will never retire.

And when the good has proven great, a future date ushers in a twist of fate, as teams must renegotiate.

Ships may sink when great comes due, most keel when faced with two, accept your fate if there's a few.

But I ain't never seen seven at the same m***** f****** time.


idk what your saying but ok lmao
Sep. 22, 2020 at 2:47 p.m.
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the only bad contract on habs is Alzner ... and you make whine for nuts on that ...
Sep. 22, 2020 at 9:31 p.m.
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the only bad contract on habs is Alzner ... and you make whine for nuts on that ...


alzner isnt even that big of a deal honestly

but lets be honest byrons is bad and prices and webers could go south fast
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Jan. 13, 2021 at 9:03 p.m.
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Brian Burke just said that at the time of this signing, Marc Bergevin said that “we need a #5 or a #6 defenseman” about Edmundson.

Marc, I love ya, but why did you give a #5/6 defenseman $3.5 million?
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Jan. 13, 2021 at 9:55 p.m.
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Brian Burke just said that at the time of this signing, Marc Bergevin said that “we need a #5 or a #6 defenseman” about Edmundson.

Marc, I love ya, but why did you give a #5/6 defenseman $3.5 million?


He's a PPG defensemen ATM, that's why...
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Jan. 14, 2021 at 12:54 a.m.
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He's a PPG defensemen ATM, that's why...


Ah, that’s true. We should probably trade Chiarot, since he’s on pace for 0 points, while Petry is on pace for 112 and Edmundson, Romanov, and Weber are on pace for 56. Meanwhile, Chiarot is on pace to have a plus/minus of -112, with 280 penalty minutes. Terrible player. 😆
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Feb. 2, 2021 at 8:21 a.m.
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Oh no baby what you doin'?



@Blazingbat11
Who's the league leader at 5 on 5 at +12?

Alzner 2.0, bottom pair at most, terrible defenseman on a horrible contract, Jooooel Eeeeedmundson!

We take the good news where we find them! I hope I made you smile at least. Have a good day! Stay positive!
Feb. 2, 2021 at 8:22 a.m.
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Who's the league leader at 5 on 5 at +12?

Alzner 2.0, bottom pair at most, terrible defenseman on a horrible contract, Jooooel Eeeeedmundson!

We take the good news where we find them! I hope I made you smile at least. Have a good day! Stay positive!


@OldNYIfan @mhockey91@SkatinTintin

😉
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Feb. 2, 2021 at 8:51 a.m.
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@Blazingbat11
Who's the league leader at 5 on 5 at +12?

Alzner 2.0, bottom pair at most, terrible defenseman on a horrible contract, Jooooel Eeeeedmundson!

We take the good news where we find them! I hope I made you smile at least. Have a good day! Stay positive!


The fact that you think Edmundson is playing well and citing +/- as your reasoning says a lot about you.
Feb. 2, 2021 at 9:36 a.m.
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The fact that you think Edmundson is playing well and citing +/- as your reasoning says a lot about you.


“Says a lot about you”? I agree +/- isn’t a useful stat but @jpsnow13 is a good poster lmfao no need to be an ***hole
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Feb. 2, 2021 at 10:03 a.m.
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The fact that you think Edmundson is playing well and citing +/- as your reasoning says a lot about you.


Y U NO FUN?

You could have been a good sport about it if you would be able to put down your advanced stats charts for a moment.

But I guess finding stats that fit your narrative is more important. Like I did with the +/-. As a joke.
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Feb. 2, 2021 at 11:17 p.m.
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@Blazingbat11
Who's the league leader at 5 on 5 at +12?

Alzner 2.0, bottom pair at most, terrible defenseman on a horrible contract, Jooooel Eeeeedmundson!

We take the good news where we find them! I hope I made you smile at least. Have a good day! Stay positive!


Why tag me? I don't think I ever said Edmundson was an Alzner 2.0. (honestly don't remember lol)

Edmundson had 1 bad game so far and it was the 1st against the leafs. Since then he's been awesome! Him and Petry have been the Habs top defensive pairing by far.
Mar. 5, 2021 at 2:26 p.m.
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I love you MB, but this is bad. We shouldn’t be committing money to depth D like Edmundson, especially with our upcoming cap crunch. He’s not as bad as Alzner, but this isn’t a good deal, and I don’t see him as much of an upgrade over our current D-core.

Let’s just pray that Seattle somehow picks him.


Oof, how wrong I was.

Edmundson has been great this year, and he’s helped me throw away my rose coloured glasses in regards to Ben Chiarot. He’s been the perfect partner for Jeff Petry, and as of right now he’s definitely the front runner for the 3rd protected defenseman for the habs in the expansion draft.
 
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