Quoting: Different_Perspective_85
I like and totally understand the rationale and I absolutely agree that would be the most ideal. I just don't think it's feasible to orchestrate in that order. For the sake of conversation, if a Dumba & Kunin for Monahan WERE to transpire what/who would you suggest is available to target for a top 6 C? Is there a FA available you'd take a flyer on? Would trading a package including Gaudreau & Hanafin/Gio/Kylington &/or picks get you one if you aren't comfortable with Lindholm to C? I know that it isn't a deal that exists in a vacuum.
I ask (quite sincerely) because here is a corresponding trade &/or FA signing required but that was always going to be the case anyway, regardless of it's this trade or something else (if it even includes Monahan or Gaudreau). This would just fill a different need/hole and there would be a shift in focus as to what this team needs. There seems to be this attitude/expectation that we are somehow going to get better without change, (I haven't seen 1 post that involves trading Gaudreau or Monahan you have liked. The most generous you've been is saying "close") they are going to get a top 4 D for spare parts or nothing and solve all of the significant holes in this roster in one move. For some reason there is also this notion that each team needs to "win" the trade on the surface and it just doesn't work like that.
Yeah part of the problem is several teams need a top 6 C (WPG, CGY, MIN, CBJ, probly NSH lol, NYR off the top of my head) and there’s none in free agency (Granlund is better at 2LW, and Haula is a 3C, and those are probably the best options). The only ones that might be available via trade/offer sheet are Domi, the Stromes, and Cirelli. Of those I would only want Domi or Cirelli honestly so options are limited, unless we go big with a Gaudreau package deal with one of our LD for some 1C trade (and yeah that obviously just doesn’t happen out of nowhere). I am open to shakeups I just hate when people make offers worse than the Zucker trade for Gaudreau. Like it’s decent roster player + fringe NHLer + 1st? Not a chance. There have been a few Johnny/Mony trades I’ve liked but people on here generally want to severely underpay and the organization still likes them both so they don’t HAVE to be traded. We don’t have to outright win the trade but we can’t afford to lose it. We have to get something good back, either an elite prospect in a futures package or a top 6 forward/top 4 RD.
Quoting: ItWasIn
Monahan is such a divisive player. I can see both sides of the debate, of whether or not him or Gaudreau should go.
I agree Monahan is the Flames best C. He's not a #1C, but on this team he is. That creates a big hole. It comes down to whether or not the Flames think Lindholm can fill that hole. Again, that's a hotly debated topic.
The other side of the coin is that yes Monahan is a C, but he is essentially a winger with the way he plays. There are many fans that believe that a Gaudreau trade would hurt the club more than Monahan, because of how much offence 13 creates.
It will be fascinating to see what happens, because 2 years ago there was a very similar debate on the Flames blueline, do they trade Brodie or Hamilton? It felt like Brodie at the time and right now it feels like Gaudreau, but just like how it ended up being Hamilton, I could see it being Monahan that is shipped out.
Yeah if I’m being honest, I would prefer to trade Monahan, the Flames offense runs through Gaudreau and he’s the better player, it’s just tough to win without C depth and Johnny might be the only way we can acquire a top one. Interested to see what Treliving does this summer, he’s gotta feel like he’s close to the hot seat so hopefully he makes a couple improvements