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Arizona Kessel and Nashville Domi Trades

Created by: chestersmu
Team: 2020-21 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 17, 2020
Published: Sep. 17, 2020
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$1,750,000
2$800,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$1,000,000
Trades
1.
ARI
  1. Alzner, Karl ($1,500,000 retained)
  2. Poehling, Ryan
  3. 2020 2nd round pick (CHI)
  4. 2021 3rd round pick (CHI)
Additional Details:
Alzner retention covers his entire 2020 Salary. He could then be bought out after the season by Arizona for 2 Million spread across 2 years. instead of having to pay Kessel 5 Million next July 1st.
2.
MTL
  1. Tolvanen, Eeli
  2. 2020 1st round pick (NSH)
NSH
  1. Domi, Max [RFA Rights]
  2. 2020 2nd round pick (STL)
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2020
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2021
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Logo of the MTL
Logo of the STL
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2022
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$73,922,976$0$3,137,500$7,577,024

Roster

Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$4,800,000$4,800,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$3,083,333$3,083,333
C
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$3,750,000$3,750,000
RW, LW
NMC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$5,500,000$5,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
C
UFA - 2
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$2,600,000$2,600,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$2,400,000$2,400,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
C
UFA - 1
Logo of the Arizona Coyotes
$6,800,000$6,800,000
RW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 2
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$3,400,000$3,400,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
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$800,000$800,000
C
UFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$700,000$700,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$1,750,000$1,750,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$7,857,143$7,857,143
RD
UFA - 6
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$10,500,000$10,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 6
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$875,000$875,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 4
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$5,500,000$5,500,000
RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$4,350,000$4,350,000
G
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$1,750,000$1,750,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$212,500$212K)
LD
RFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$1,400,000$1,400,000
C, RW, LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$925,000$925,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2
$1,000,000$1,000,000
C
UFA - 1

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Sep. 17, 2020 at 11:50 a.m.
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Edited Sep. 17, 2020 at 12:35 p.m.
Preds wouldn't do 10OA alone for Domi. That pick is not on the table unless there is a very good player coming back and Domi doesn't move the needle enough to trade that pick.

edit: said 10OA, but meant 11OA
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Sep. 17, 2020 at 11:50 a.m.
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Do MTL want out of shape Kessel... I prefer keeping Domi TOP line playing with Drouin and Suz
Sep. 17, 2020 at 11:53 a.m.
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Huge overpay for Domi. He isn't worth 11th overall in very good draft.
Also NSH will not trade their best(ok, one of the top 2) prospect and 1st round pick in 2020.
Sep. 17, 2020 at 12:04 p.m.
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Plz MB
don’t touch Kessel . Thanks
Sep. 17, 2020 at 12:26 p.m.
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Quoting: Nik_SH
Huge overpay for Domi. He isn't worth 11th overall in very good draft.
Also NSH will not trade their best(ok, one of the top 2) prospect and 1st round pick in 2020.


I disagree with the 11th overall being an overpay but could agree that Nashville may not move Tolvanen. That said, Tolvanen has struggles professionally in North America and I wouldn't be shocked if Nashville moved him and the 11th (either together or seperately) to get immediate help. I also can't help but think that while Tolvanen is still a good prospect, and yes, one of Nashville's best, he's no longer seen as a can't miss blue chip prospect that he was 2 years ago.

Domi meanwhile is 1 year removed from a 70 point season and paced for 50 this year despite time on the wing where he struggles and a lack of a supporting cast. I think he has value of a mid 1st and a prospect if Montreal were to go the futures route vs a 1 for 1ish hockey trade.
Sep. 17, 2020 at 12:27 p.m.
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Quoting: DomCholette
Do MTL want out of shape Kessel... I prefer keeping Domi TOP line playing with Drouin and Suz


Domi struggles as a winger. Ideally he's moved in a hockey trade for an established winger. In this scenario though, Kessel was acquired in a separate deal so for cap reasons, a futures trade was entertained.
Sep. 17, 2020 at 12:32 p.m.
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Preds wouldn't do 10OA alone for Domi. That pick is not on the table unless there is a very good player coming back and Domi doesn't move the needle enough to trade that pick.


Since coming to Montreal, Domi has been a top 30 scoring center in the NHL. I think that's exactly in the wheelhouse of the 11th overall pick. Especially if Montreal sends a mid 2nd back and lets Nashville negotiate a contract before making the deal.
Sep. 17, 2020 at 12:36 p.m.
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Since coming to Montreal, Domi has been a top 30 scoring center in the NHL. I think that's exactly in the wheelhouse of the 11th overall pick. Especially if Montreal sends a mid 2nd back and lets Nashville negotiate a contract before making the deal.


NSH isn't trading Tolvanen. And why does NSH need another top 6 center? Johansen, Duchene, Turris, Bonino, and then they have Jarnkrok, Sissons, Blackwell (if signed), Trenin, Tomasino, Pitlick as all players that can play center and will be, or have a shot at, starting in NSH next season.

NSH is not the team to trade Domi to as he would not play be playing center and that seems to be important to him.

And really, Domi is a ~50 point player with one outlier season.
Sep. 17, 2020 at 12:55 p.m.
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NSH isn't trading Tolvanen. And why does NSH need another top 6 center? Johansen, Duchene, Turris, Bonino, and then they have Jarnkrok, Sissons, Blackwell (if signed), Trenin, Tomasino, Pitlick as all players that can play center and will be, or have a shot at, starting in NSH next season.

NSH is not the team to trade Domi to as he would not play be playing center and that seems to be important to him.

And really, Domi is a ~50 point player with one outlier season.


Duchene is a winger, Turris is toast. Bonino is good, but doesn't have the offense to be counted on as a 2nd line center. Jarnkrok is the same as Bonino in that regard, Sissons/blackwell/trenin is not even close to Domi, Tomasino is probably 3 years away at best let alone be producive.

So to answer your question which I feel you kind of did yourself when you made that list, yes, Nashville does need another top 6 center.

Domi put up 50+ points as a rookie and then ended up on the wing for 2 seasons where he struggled, as he did this year. Came to Montreal and immediately put up 70+. Used as a center with top 6 quality wingers, I don't think he's stuck as a perennial 50 point guy but is someone who can push 60+ every year.
Sep. 17, 2020 at 1:12 p.m.
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Phil's not going be the same guy he was a few years ago
Sep. 17, 2020 at 1:16 p.m.
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Phil's not going be the same guy he was a few years ago


I don't think he needs to be. By moving Alzner we are effectively getting him for like 3.5 million (in a sense). I think out of Arizona he could bounce back to a 25 goal guy. If he came in and was 25/25 for two years while we wait for Caufield that would be a huge plus. Getting a trigger-man for our powerplay that can also add depth to our right side would do so much for this team I think.
Sep. 17, 2020 at 1:20 p.m.
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Duchene is a winger, Turris is toast. Bonino is good, but doesn't have the offense to be counted on as a 2nd line center. Jarnkrok is the same as Bonino in that regard, Sissons/blackwell/trenin is not even close to Domi, Tomasino is probably 3 years away at best let alone be producive.

So to answer your question which I feel you kind of did yourself when you made that list, yes, Nashville does need another top 6 center.

Domi put up 50+ points as a rookie and then ended up on the wing for 2 seasons where he struggled, as he did this year. Came to Montreal and immediately put up 70+. Used as a center with top 6 quality wingers, I don't think he's stuck as a perennial 50 point guy but is someone who can push 60+ every year.


Duchene a winger? He is great at face-offs, unlike Domi, and has flexibility with wing or center -- but Duchene is most definitely a center first. I really don't understand how you justify Duchene being a winger, but Domi is a center...

And Turris isn't toast - he put up 40+ points playing with 4th liners. Given proper inmates he would hit 50+ easy. He got injured, then NSH signed Duchene, then he got in Lavy's doghouse. He can still play, just needs to be given a chance - which Hynes started doing and he looked great. He's overpaid, but he's still a capable 2/3C.

And I'm not comparing Domi to all of the centers on NSH, just showing you that NSH has too many as is -- not a positional need. They need scoring wingers.

If Domi made it to NSH he would be a winger.
Sep. 17, 2020 at 2:36 p.m.
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Kessel-Alzner is different.

I ran numbers at $1.55M retention because that's 33% and makes easy math.

AZ adds an additional million (and some change) this year in real dollars, but saves $4.33M (-Poehling's next contract) due next year if they buy Alzner out. And there's another year at $769k due to the buyout, but that's small change compared to year two savings. They add Poehling, and a couple picks.

Not sure it's interesting enough for them to eat an additional million this year when it hurts the most, but undeniably saves them money and gets them a decent young bottom six C and picks.

Habs add a decent, but not great winger, and dump Alzner for expendable pieces.

It's a little crazy, but maybe?
Sep. 17, 2020 at 3:48 p.m.
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Kessel-Alzner is different.

I ran numbers at $1.55M retention because that's 33% and makes easy math.

AZ adds an additional million (and some change) this year in real dollars, but saves $4.33M (-Poehling's next contract) due next year if they buy Alzner out. And there's another year at $769k due to the buyout, but that's small change compared to year two savings. They add Poehling, and a couple picks.

Not sure it's interesting enough for them to eat an additional million this year when it hurts the most, but undeniably saves them money and gets them a decent young bottom six C and picks.

Habs add a decent, but not great winger, and dump Alzner for expendable pieces.

It's a little crazy, but maybe?


I'll admit I'm not certain how salary retention works in relation to the real dollars side. Alzner already recieved his bonus and will be owed 1.5 Million in salary for the next season. Hence I assumed that if the Habs were to retained 1.5 Million in salary it would effective mean that Arizona would not be on the hook for any real dollars as the Habs would be paying it (as the bonus is already cashed). I am also unsure as to if the Habs would then be on the hook for x amount of the buyout, which would further reduce Arizona's exposure.
Sep. 17, 2020 at 3:53 p.m.
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I'll admit I'm not certain how salary retention works in relation to the real dollars side. Alzner already recieved his bonus and will be owed 1.5 Million in salary for the next season. Hence I assumed that if the Habs were to retained 1.5 Million in salary it would effective mean that Arizona would not be on the hook for any real dollars as the Habs would be paying it (as the bonus is already cashed). I am also unsure as to if the Habs would then be on the hook for x amount of the buyout, which would further reduce Arizona's exposure.


Well, 33% this year is $500k, so this year, they actually gain salary. The only thing that clouds this would be how buyouts handle retention. I just put MTL down for 33% of the buyout cost in real dollars. Maybe AZ only buys out their portion; I'm not clear on that aspect. Either way AZ saves substantial money (over Kessel's money) with a Alzner buyout next season.
 
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