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Created by: benjgc
Team: 2020-21 Columbus Blue Jackets
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 17, 2020
Published: Sep. 17, 2020
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Description
Three team deal between CBJ, Toronto and Arizona. Cleaned up, it looks like:

- ARI receives: Frederik Andersen, Alexander Wennberg, TOR 2021 1st-rounder
- TOR receives: Darcy Kuemper ($2M retained by ARI), David Savard, CBJ 2020 1st-rounder (21OA), ARI 2021 2nd-rounder (likely less than 25 picks difference)
- CBJ receives: Derek Stepan, Mikhail Abramov, TOR 2020 1st-rounder (15OA)

ARI: Get younger at C, add a cheaper option at G cash-wise, and get back into the 2021 first round
TOR: Add a tough, responsible RD, shed Andersen's cap hit for a run at Pietrangelo
CBJ: Add Stepan for a more likely option at 2C, get a prospect to help restock pipeline, move up six picks in October

Trade originally conceived here: https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/366645

As a CBJ fan, I'd also be okay with shipping out Dubinsky's (fully-insured) deal so Toronto could put him on LTIR if they wanted to go that route, or finding a team that needs to get to the cap floor, since he won't cost any real money. Alternatively, the team could move Jenner or Murray and create even more cap room.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
4$4,000,000
3$5,500,000
3$3,000,000
2$950,000
2$925,000
2$900,000
Trades
1.
CBJ
  1. Abramov, Mikhail
  2. Andersen, Frederik
  3. 2020 1st round pick (PIT)
  4. 2021 1st round pick (TOR)
TOR
  1. Savard, David
  2. 2020 1st round pick (CBJ)
2.
CBJ
  1. Kuemper, Darcy
  2. Stepan, Derek
  3. 2021 2nd round pick (ARI)
Additional Details:
Coyotes retain $2M on Kuemper
ARI
  1. Andersen, Frederik
  2. Wennberg, Alexander
  3. 2021 1st round pick (TOR)
3.
CBJ
    Finishing off the three-team deal
    TOR
    1. Kuemper, Darcy
    2. 2021 2nd round pick (ARI)
    4.
    CBJ
    1. 2020 6th round pick (CGY)
    Additional Details:
    Doesn't have to be CGY, just any team that needs D depth. Please take him away.
    Buyouts
    DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
    2020
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    Logo of the CBJ
    Logo of the CBJ
    Logo of the CBJ
    Logo of the CGY
    Logo of the CBJ
    2021
    Logo of the CBJ
    Logo of the CBJ
    Logo of the CBJ
    Logo of the CBJ
    Logo of the CBJ
    Logo of the CBJ
    2022
    Logo of the CBJ
    Logo of the CBJ
    Logo of the CBJ
    Logo of the CBJ
    Logo of the CBJ
    Logo of the CBJ
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
    22$81,500,000$70,291,667$0$375,000$11,208,333
    Left WingCentreRight Wing
    Logo of the Columbus Blue Jackets
    $897,500$897,500
    LW, C, RW
    RFA - 1
    Logo of the Columbus Blue Jackets
    $5,500,000$5,500,000
    C
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Columbus Blue Jackets
    $5,875,000$5,875,000
    RW, LW
    M-NTC
    UFA - 5
    Logo of the Columbus Blue Jackets
    $894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$375,000$375K)
    LW, C
    RFA - 2
    Logo of the Arizona Coyotes
    $6,500,000$6,500,000
    C, RW
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Columbus Blue Jackets
    $2,500,000$2,500,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Columbus Blue Jackets
    $2,750,000$2,750,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Columbus Blue Jackets
    $1,200,000$1,200,000
    C, LW
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Columbus Blue Jackets
    $4,000,000$4,000,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 7
    Logo of the Columbus Blue Jackets
    $1,375,000$1,375,000
    LW, C, RW
    M-NTC, NMC
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Columbus Blue Jackets
    $2,750,000$2,750,000
    C, RW
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Columbus Blue Jackets
    $3,750,000$3,750,000
    C, LW
    UFA - 2
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    Logo of the Columbus Blue Jackets
    $5,000,000$5,000,000
    LD
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Columbus Blue Jackets
    $5,400,000$5,400,000
    RD
    M-NTC
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Columbus Blue Jackets
    $4,000,000$4,000,000
    G
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Columbus Blue Jackets
    $3,000,000$3,000,000
    LD
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Columbus Blue Jackets
    $1,650,000$1,650,000
    LD/RD
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Columbus Blue Jackets
    $2,800,000$2,800,000
    G
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Columbus Blue Jackets
    $4,600,000$4,600,000
    LD
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Columbus Blue Jackets
    $2,700,000$2,700,000
    LD/RD
    UFA - 2
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    Logo of the Columbus Blue Jackets
    $975,000$975,000
    LW
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Columbus Blue Jackets
    $5,850,000$5,850,000
    C, LW
    M-NTC, NMC
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Columbus Blue Jackets
    $925,000$925,000
    LD
    UFA - 2

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    Sep. 17, 2020 at 7:20 p.m.
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    Coyotes reject big time , coyotes would lose 4M in actual dollars , Coyotes wont be taking back almost any cap in Kuemper deal , and your going to need to give up more for Kuemper
    Sep. 17, 2020 at 7:24 p.m.
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    Coyotes reject big time , coyotes would lose 4M in actual dollars , Coyotes wont be taking back almost any cap in Kuemper deal , and your going to need to give up more for Kuemper


    Dealing Kuemper with $2M retained would save them $1.5M this year and dealing Stepan would save them $2M, while Wennberg+Andersen comes to a total of just under $6M, so it's actually $2.5M, not $4M. I chose Arizona both because Andersen costs virtually nothing in real money, and Wennberg is a change-of-scenery candidate who fits the "we want guys under 25" ethos that Armstrong has talked about today. Not saying you're dead wrong or anything, but you can see why I thought it might have some appeal for the Yotes. But I definitely appreciate the feedback.
    Sep. 17, 2020 at 7:39 p.m.
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    Quoting: benjgc
    Dealing Kuemper with $2M retained would save them $1.5M this year and dealing Stepan would save them $2M, while Wennberg+Andersen comes to a total of just under $6M, so it's actually $2.5M, not $4M. I chose Arizona both because Andersen costs virtually nothing in real money, and Wennberg is a change-of-scenery candidate who fits the "we want guys under 25" ethos that Armstrong has talked about today. Not saying you're dead wrong or anything, but you can see why I thought it might have some appeal for the Yotes. But I definitely appreciate the feedback.


    alright i see what you were going for a bit better now that you said so , the offer isnt bad considering that ive seen leaf fans put up Andersen for Kuemper one for one
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    Sep. 17, 2020 at 7:44 p.m.
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    alright i see what you were going for a bit better now that you said so , the offer isnt bad considering that ive seen leaf fans put up Andersen for Kuemper one for one


    Oh, I've seen Leaf fans put up Andreas Johnsson and expect Seth Jones in return, I feel your pain. I'd love to pry Dvorak loose somehow, but I know THAT isn't happening for anything short of guys we'd be unwilling to move.
    Sep. 17, 2020 at 7:51 p.m.
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    Oh, I've seen Leaf fans put up Andreas Johnsson and expect Seth Jones in return, I feel your pain. I'd love to pry Dvorak loose somehow, but I know THAT isn't happening for anything short of guys we'd be unwilling to move.


    Yeah saw that same Seth Jones trade couldnt stop laughing for about 5 minutes , with Dvo i'm pretty sure he's listed as a untouchable so yeah would be a pretty tough to pry him out without giving something huge
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    Sep. 17, 2020 at 8:01 p.m.
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    This is a solid concept, but I’m not sure why Arizona would trade Kuemper for Anderson.... Kuemperis better and signed to a longer contract... this has disaster written on it for Arizona imo.

    Also the 2021 2nd you’re sending to Toronto isn’t owned by Arizona, as of now the league owns the pick.
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    Sep. 17, 2020 at 8:02 p.m.
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    This is a solid concept, but I’m not sure why Arizona would trade Kuemper for Anderson.... Kuemperis better and signed to a longer contract... this has disaster written on it for Arizona imo.

    Also the 2021 2nd you’re sending to Toronto isn’t owned by Arizona, as of now the league owns the pick.


    I'm assuming in this reality that they don't re-sign Hall, and thus keep that pick; I've seen reporting that Armstrong is being given a mandate to cut costs. And Andersen is less real money than Kuemper.

    EDIT: Aw crap, I forgot they're looking to trade Kuemper because they signed Hill. Well, maybe they acquire Andersen and then flip Raanta to REALLY cut costs.
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    Sep. 17, 2020 at 8:17 p.m.
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    Quoting: benjgc
    Oh, I've seen Leaf fans put up Andreas Johnsson and expect Seth Jones in return, I feel your pain. I'd love to pry Dvorak loose somehow, but I know THAT isn't happening for anything short of guys we'd be unwilling to move.


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    Oh, I've seen Leaf fans put up Andreas Johnsson and expect Seth Jones in return, I feel your pain. I'd love to pry Dvorak loose somehow, but I know THAT isn't happening for anything short of guys we'd be unwilling to move.


    I saw leafs fans put kapanen up for a 1st and better prospects in return. Oh hold up that was their GM. ( to be fair though Jones one is rediculous)
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    Sep. 18, 2020 at 3:34 p.m.
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    Makes sense to me. Couple small tweaks, for one yotes won't retain.
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    Sep. 18, 2020 at 3:38 p.m.
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    Makes sense to me. Couple small tweaks, for one yotes won't retain.


    I could see that being the case. What other tweaks would you make?
    Sep. 18, 2020 at 3:40 p.m.
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    Quoting: benjgc
    Oh, I've seen Leaf fans put up Andreas Johnsson and expect Seth Jones in return, I feel your pain. I'd love to pry Dvorak loose somehow, but I know THAT isn't happening for anything short of guys we'd be unwilling to move.


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    Yeah saw that same Seth Jones trade couldnt stop laughing for about 5 minutes , with Dvo i'm pretty sure he's listed as a untouchable so yeah would be a pretty tough to pry him out without giving something huge


    Seriously? I didn't think people were actually that stupid (and that's coming from a leafs fan).
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    Sep. 18, 2020 at 3:43 p.m.
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    Seriously? I didn't think people were actually that stupid (and that's coming from a leafs fan).


    Not quite that extreme, but this happened yesterday.
    Sep. 18, 2020 at 3:45 p.m.
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    Quoting: benjgc
    I could see that being the case. What other tweaks would you make?

    All in all, I'd suggest you pick a different guy to target for 2 c anyway. I think Domi, Monahan, or one of the Strome's or even like you said Dvorak. I just am not sure if Stepan is an improvement from what you have now.
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    Sep. 18, 2020 at 3:47 p.m.
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    Not quite that extreme, but this happened yesterday.


    Oh ok. Yes, no doubt that is not enough. not quite just Johnsson though.
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    Sep. 18, 2020 at 3:47 p.m.
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    All in all, I'd suggest you pick a different guy to target for 2 c anyway. I think Domi, Monahan, or one of the Strome's or even like you said Dvorak. I just am not sure if Stepan is an improvement from what you have now.


    I view it as a way to accomplish a few goals: get a rebound candidate without a major commitment, move up in the draft, clear the logjam at D, and shed Wennberg's contract to give him a fresh start somewhere else.
    Sep. 18, 2020 at 3:48 p.m.
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    All in all, I'd suggest you pick a different guy to target for 2 c anyway. I think Domi, Monahan, or one of the Strome's or even like you said Dvorak. I just am not sure if Stepan is an improvement from what you have now.


    "Here, take this stuff I found around the sofa cushions, and in exchange I'd like your superstar D and future captain."
    Sep. 18, 2020 at 3:48 p.m.
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    I view it as a way to accomplish a few goals: get a rebound candidate without a major commitment, move up in the draft, clear the logjam at D, and shed Wennberg's contract to give him a fresh start somewhere else.


    Well if that's all you want, then yes, this trade is good.
    Sep. 18, 2020 at 3:49 p.m.
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    "Here, take this stuff I found around the sofa cushions, and in exchange I'd like your superstar D and future captain."


    Haha yes I know then it will cost more.
     
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