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Team: 2020-21 Calgary Flames
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 18, 2020
Published: Sep. 18, 2020
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Not sure what it would take to land Zibanejad or how much Granlund will cost. Please critique
Free Agent Signings
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2$800,000
4$2,000,000
2$775,000
2$800,000
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5$5,000,000
5$5,900,000
3$3,500,000
1$1,000,000
1$1,000,000
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CGY
  1. 2021 4th round pick (NSH)
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  1. Monahan, Sean
  2. 2020 2nd round pick (CGY)
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2020
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22$81,500,000$72,901,666$0$882,500$8,598,334
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$6,750,000$6,750,000
LW
UFA - 2
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$5,350,000$5,350,000
C
NMC
UFA - 2
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$4,850,000$4,850,000
C, RW
UFA - 4
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$7,000,000$7,000,000
RW
UFA - 2
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$5,350,000$5,350,000
C
NTC
UFA - 4
$5,900,000$5,900,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$2,550,000$2,550,000
C
UFA - 1
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$778,333$778,333 (Performance Bonus$32,500$32K)
LW, RW, C
RFA - 1
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$5,250,000$5,250,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 3
$1,000,000$1,000,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
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$800,000$800,000
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UFA - 1
$1,000,000$1,000,000
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UFA - 4
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$1,375,000$1,375,000
G
UFA - 1
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$1,237,500$1,237,500
LD
UFA - 4
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$4,550,000$4,550,000
RD
UFA - 6
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$894,166$894,166 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
LD
RFA - 1
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
G
UFA - 3
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$800,000$800,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
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Sep. 18, 2020 at 1:23 a.m.
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Am Yisrael Chai
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I don't see why we'd even consider.
Sep. 18, 2020 at 1:29 a.m.
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Quoting: Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan
I don't see why we'd even consider.

Couple years younger with a year extra term? Cost would likely be more if it even was on the table though. Add Kylington+prospect (Zavgorodny? He was Laf’s linemate in the Q) maybe? Idk I probably wouldn’t if I was the Rangers but that’s getting decent value to downgrade a bit at 1C
Sep. 18, 2020 at 1:32 a.m.
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Quoting: Alfie11
Couple years younger with a year extra term? Cost would likely be more if it even was on the table though. Add Kylington+prospect (Zavgorodny? He was Laf’s linemate in the Q) maybe? Idk I probably wouldn’t if I was the Rangers but that’s getting decent value to downgrade a bit at 1C


I'd say their gap is pretty large. More than a top 6 defenseman and throw in prospect.
Sep. 18, 2020 at 1:39 a.m.
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Quoting: Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan
I'd say their gap is pretty large. More than a top 6 defenseman and throw in prospect.

Well I was leaving the 2nd in. And Monahan has outproduced Zibby in both goals and assists every single year prior to this one, he’s just worse defensively so I’m not sure it’s really all that large.
Sep. 18, 2020 at 1:40 a.m.
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Well I was leaving the 2nd in. And Monahan has outproduced Zibby in both goals and assists every single year prior to this one, he’s just worse defensively so I’m not sure it’s really all that large.


Didn't Monahan play with Gaudreau and Lindholm those years? Kreider and Buchnevich aren't half those players.
Sep. 18, 2020 at 1:43 a.m.
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Well I was leaving the 2nd in. And Monahan has outproduced Zibby in both goals and assists every single year prior to this one, he’s just worse defensively so I’m not sure it’s really all that large.


If Mika didn't miss 13 games, he might have more goals than Monahan had points.
Sep. 18, 2020 at 1:56 a.m.
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Quoting: Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan
Didn't Monahan play with Gaudreau and Lindholm those years? Kreider and Buchnevich aren't half those players.

I mean yeah but he still managed to produce significantly more in that role. That can't be discounted purely based on linemates. Otherwise you could make the argument that Zibby played with a Hart trophy candidate this year and thus this season is an anomaly and Monahan is actually better lol. To be clear I'm not saying that, it's just the counter-point to that argument so I'm ignoring linemates in favour of consistent production (and Lindholm was only a recent acquisition anyway, prior to that it woulda been like Frolik, who is significantly worse than Kreider/Lindholm/most players lol). I'll say Zibby is better now due to recency bias but that's not the only thing you can look at. He only has 2 30-goal seasons, both coming after the age Monahan is right now. Monahan already has 3, and 7 20-goal seasons in 7 possible years since being drafted.

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If Mika didn't miss 13 games, he might have more goals than Monahan had points.

Yeah I'm not denying he had a breakout year and was fantastic, while Monahan had a down year, but it's foolish to base everything off of one year. Monahan is a consistent producer that was better until this year, he's younger, and he has more term so there's certainly value in him, and it wouldn't take a huge amount to make up the difference. A 2nd, a 3rd pair D with top 4 upside, and a prospect that has chemistry with your best young player should be enough to make up that difference imo
Sep. 18, 2020 at 2:11 a.m.
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Quoting: Alfie11
I mean yeah but he still managed to produce significantly more in that role. That can't be discounted purely based on linemates. Otherwise you could make the argument that Zibby played with a Hart trophy candidate this year and thus this season is an anomaly and Monahan is actually better lol. To be clear I'm not saying that, it's just the counter-point to that argument so I'm ignoring linemates in favour of consistent production (and Lindholm was only a recent acquisition anyway, prior to that it woulda been like Frolik, who is significantly worse than Kreider/Lindholm/most players lol). I'll say Zibby is better now due to recency bias but that's not the only thing you can look at. He only has 2 30-goal seasons, both coming after the age Monahan is right now. Monahan already has 3, and 7 20-goal seasons in 7 possible years since being drafted.


Yeah I'm not denying he had a breakout year and was fantastic, while Monahan had a down year, but it's foolish to base everything off of one year. Monahan is a consistent producer that was better until this year, he's younger, and he has more term so there's certainly value in him, and it wouldn't take a huge amount to make up the difference. A 2nd, a 3rd pair D with top 4 upside, and a prospect that has chemistry with your best young player should be enough to make up that difference imo


Panarin played with Strome, not Zibanejad. Monahan played with two 90 point Wingers and isn't good defensively. Zibanejad played with Buchnevich and Kreider who can barely crack half that.
Sep. 18, 2020 at 2:24 a.m.
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Quoting: Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan
Panarin played with Strome, not Zibanejad. Monahan played with two 90 point Wingers and isn't good defensively. Zibanejad played with Buchnevich and Kreider who can barely crack half that.

It's nice that you think Lindholm is a 90 point winger lol (not sarcastic), I'm really hoping he can get there one day, but he hasn't shown that yet. Yes they played on different lines, but that's like saying Draisaitl and McDavid never play together. Around a third of Zibby's points were on the PP and involved Panarin, plus I'm sure there was some occasions where they played together at even strength if they needed a boost or a shakeup. This is also just this year, and what that really means is Zibby got the easier defensive opponents due to Panarin drawing the toughest matchups. He also averaged 3 and a half more minutes of ice time per game. And while yes, 2.5 of that was shorthanded, he also averaged almost a full extra minute of PP time per game than Monahan. More ice time=more opportunity to score, especially with an extra minute of PP time per game, that's huge. There's arguments both for and against involving linemates, matchups, and ice time, so again, I think it's reasonable to call that a wash and just look at overall production/defensive ability as the main factors, which put them fairly close.
Sep. 18, 2020 at 2:30 a.m.
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It's nice that you think Lindholm is a 90 point winger lol (not sarcastic), I'm really hoping he can get there one day, but he hasn't shown that yet. Yes they played on different lines, but that's like saying Draisaitl and McDavid never play together. Around a third of Zibby's points were on the PP and involved Panarin, plus I'm sure there was some occasions where they played together at even strength if they needed a boost or a shakeup. This is also just this year, and what that really means is Zibby got the easier defensive opponents due to Panarin drawing the toughest matchups. He also averaged 3 and a half more minutes of ice time per game. And while yes, 2.5 of that was shorthanded, he also averaged almost a full extra minute of PP time per game than Monahan. More ice time=more opportunity to score, especially with an extra minute of PP time per game, that's huge. There's arguments both for and against involving linemates, matchups, and ice time, so again, I think it's reasonable to call that a wash and just look at overall production/defensive ability as the main factors, which put them fairly close.


Solid points. Just basing it off majority of ice time. I love that deal for Calgary the second I saw it. Elias Lindholm exploded after getting out of that dump in Carolina. Now you have two young studs signed long term on the cheap and Carolina couldn't sign Adam Fox, Let Ferland walk, and ownership might not be willing to re-sign Hamilton. I still laugh when people argue they won that trade.
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Sep. 18, 2020 at 2:34 a.m.
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Solid points. Just basing it off majority of ice time. I love that deal for Calgary the second I saw it. Elias Lindholm exploded after getting out of that dump in Carolina. Now you have two young studs signed long term on the cheap and Carolina couldn't sign Adam Fox, Let Ferland walk, and ownership might not be willing to re-sign Hamilton. I still laugh when people argue they won that trade.

Yeah that deal certainly worked out well for us, particularly as Hamilton was also stifled by our D depth so he was expendable. If he'd won the Norris and they'd gone on a run this year things might have been slightly different but it certainly expanded our competitive window significantly (instead of 5 good players under 25 we now have 7, and while Fox might have been nice he probably wasn't going to sign here anyway). I think the Canes are happy with it considering their run last year and they might keep Hamilton (or trade him for a boatload of assets) but regardless Calgary is pleased, if they're pleased too that just means it was a good trade for both sides, that's still a thing that can happen haha
Sep. 18, 2020 at 8:08 a.m.
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Mika means way more to the org asides from actually value it wouldn’t make sense at all. Not to mention if we did it would be for major prospects/ picks
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Sep. 18, 2020 at 2:15 p.m.
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That's fair. I figured the gap would be larger than I showed. Monahan + a first + Pelletier fo Zibanejad then maybe. Of course this would never happen, I think both org's value their 1C too much, but I'm exploring what options Flames theoretically have of improving their top 6.
 
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