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Team: 2020-21 Pittsburgh Penguins
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 18, 2020
Published: Sep. 18, 2020
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$700,000
2$700,000
2$700,000
2$700,000
1$1,000,000
1$2,750,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$700,000
Trades
PIT
  1. Lindström, Gustav
  2. 2020 3rd round pick (SJS)
DET
  1. Murray, Matt [RFA Rights]
Retained Salary Transactions
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2020
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2021
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2022
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$76,110,175$0$982,500$5,389,825

Roster

Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$8,700,000$8,700,000
C
NMC
UFA - 5
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$3,200,000$3,200,000
RW
UFA - 2
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 4
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$9,500,000$9,500,000
C
NMC
UFA - 2
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$894,167$894,167
C, LW
RFA - 4
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$2,940,000$2,940,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
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$5,300,000$5,300,000
RW
NTC
UFA - 3
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 5
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$4,100,000$4,100,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$7,250,000$7,250,000
RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 2
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
G
UFA - 3
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$4,025,175$4,025,175
LD
UFA - 5
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RD
UFA - 1
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$1,250,000$1,250,000
G
UFA - 2
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$1,150,000$1,150,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$775,833$775,833 (Performance Bonus$132,500$132K)
RD
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$700,000$700,000
RW, C, LW
UFA - 2
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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RD
UFA - 1
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$1,150,000$1,150,000
LD
UFA - 2

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Sep. 18, 2020 at 5:51 p.m.
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Bet he doesn't go for at least a first
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No thanks, I'll keep Lindstrom and take my chances on the FA goalie market.
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No thanks, I'll keep Lindstrom and take my chances on the FA goalie market.


What FA goalie fits their window?

They have Hronek/Sieder at RD long term
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Sep. 18, 2020 at 5:52 p.m.
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Bet he doesn't go for at least a first


I value that package at a late first, Lindstrom is expansion exempt
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Sep. 18, 2020 at 5:53 p.m.
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A lot of Wings fans don’t like Murray but I think we at least think about it if this was the cost. However, I think you will get a better offer from another team.
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Sep. 18, 2020 at 5:54 p.m.
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No thanks Lindstrom is a good #6RD don't want Murray Detroit is not even listed as having any interest in him.
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Quoting: DeadWingsv2
No thanks, I'll keep Lindstrom and take my chances on the FA goalie market.


The wings don't need much right now. I don't mean that as a dig, but there's no reason for you guys to get serious at goalie just yet and he's a solid prospect.
Sep. 18, 2020 at 5:56 p.m.
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No thanks wing pass, I wouldn't trade the 3rd or Lindstrom seperate for him, let alone together
Sep. 18, 2020 at 5:56 p.m.
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Quoting: Marino4Norris
What FA goalie fits their window?

They have Hronek/Sieder at RD long term

They're not giving up young players or futures during a rebuild. They're better off signing short term deals with average goalies, unless they can land a young goalie that has Vezina potential. Murray is not that. Also Lindstrom is a very good defensive defenseman and PKer, under team control for a bit, no reason to give that up.
Sep. 18, 2020 at 5:57 p.m.
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Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
No thanks Lindstrom is a good #6RD don't want Murray Detroit is not even listed as having any interest in him.


Yzerman is a good GM at not letting his intentions known

They're definitely in the market for a goalie this offseason, think he makes more sense than the free agents available

Lindstrom shouldn't be in their long term plans given Hronek and Sieder's development
Sep. 18, 2020 at 5:58 p.m.
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Quoting: DeadWingsv2
They're not giving up young players or futures during a rebuild. They're better off signing short term deals with average goalies, unless they can land a young goalie that has Vezina potential. Murray is not that. Also Lindstrom is a very good defensive defenseman and PKer, under team control for a bit, no reason to give that up.


I just see them wanting to compete sooner than later but fair enough

I also think Murray has Veniza potential, was a top ten goalie as recently as one season ago

Have to give to get
Sep. 18, 2020 at 5:58 p.m.
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Quoting: DeadWingsv2
They're not giving up young players or futures during a rebuild. They're better off signing short term deals with average goalies, unless they can land a young goalie that has Vezina potential. Murray is not that. Also Lindstrom is a very good defensive defenseman and PKer, under team control for a bit, no reason to give that up.


I just see them wanting to compete sooner than later but fair enough

I also think Murray has Veniza potential, was a top ten goalie as recently as one season ago

Have to give to get
Sep. 18, 2020 at 5:59 p.m.
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No thanks wing pass, I wouldn't trade the 3rd or Lindstrom seperate for him, let alone together


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Sep. 18, 2020 at 6:00 p.m.
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Quoting: Marino4Norris
I just see them wanting to compete sooner than later but fair enough

I also think Murray has Veniza potential, was a top ten goalie as recently as one season ago

Have to give to get


You're overvaluing your player. Murray is not a top 10 goalie and looks to be losing the job to Jarry as it is. Also, you can never have enough defense in this league and still roll 6 guys a night, having two RD isn't a good reason to part with another one
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Sep. 18, 2020 at 6:03 p.m.
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Quoting: DeadWingsv2
You're overvaluing your player. Murray is not a top 10 goalie and looks to be losing the job to Jarry as it is. Also, you can never have enough defense in this league and still roll 6 guys a night, having two RD isn't a good reason to part with another one


Very explicitly said Murray was a top ten goalie a season ago, not currently

3RD are easier to find than starting goalies, Bowey as 3RD and Murray in goal probably results in more wins than Lindstrom as 3RD without a decent starter
Sep. 18, 2020 at 6:07 p.m.
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Quoting: Marino4Norris
Very explicitly said Murray was a top ten goalie a season ago, not currently

3RD are easier to find than starting goalies, Bowey as 3RD and Murray in goal probably results in more wins than Lindstrom as 3RD without a decent starter

So, if it's not current, then it's not relevant. I don't like his advanced stats and think he benefitted from the team in front of him. I don't see Murray as a 10+ win differential upgrade from Bernier. Anything less than that, what's the point?
Sep. 18, 2020 at 6:09 p.m.
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Quoting: DeadWingsv2
So, if it's not current, then it's not relevant. I don't like his advanced stats and think he benefitted from the team in front of him. I don't see Murray as a 10+ win differential upgrade from Bernier. Anything less than that, what's the point?


If you don't think Murray is a substantial upgrade on Bernier I think we can just agree to disagree
Sep. 18, 2020 at 6:13 p.m.
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Quoting: Marino4Norris
If you don't think Murray is a substantial upgrade on Bernier I think we can just agree to disagree


Stats don't lie... I'm not saying Murray wouldn't be an upgrade, but you're crazy if you think he's a significant upgrade. Murray isn't as good as you're making him out to be.
Sep. 18, 2020 at 6:21 p.m.
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Stats don't lie... I'm not saying Murray wouldn't be an upgrade, but you're crazy if you think he's a significant upgrade. Murray isn't as good as you're making him out to be.


Think we're reading the stats differently

And in terms of making players out to be better than they are.... isn't Lindstrom's absolute ceiling a #4 ? In what world is a potential #4 with one career assist worth more than a 26 year old goalie with two cups to a team trying to rebuild
Sep. 18, 2020 at 6:26 p.m.
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Murray isn't my favorite but its not a bad cost. If they like Murray theyd do it
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Sep. 18, 2020 at 7:53 p.m.
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Quoting: Marino4Norris
What FA goalie fits their window?

They have Hronek/Sieder at RD long term


Who said the goalie has to fit a window? Detroit has a couple of good prospects so a stop gap goalie will be fine. Yes Sieder and Hronek are locked in but a team dresses 6 Dmen 3 on the right and 3 on the left.

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I value that package at a late first, Lindstrom is expansion exempt


Yes he is expansion exempt and it took him all of 16 games to prove he belongs in the NHL and earn his spot on the Wings. So why would Detroit trade him? He made the team last season and he's expansion exempt.
Sep. 18, 2020 at 8:29 p.m.
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Who said the goalie has to fit a window? Detroit has a couple of good prospects so a stop gap goalie will be fine. Yes Sieder and Hronek are locked in but a team dresses 6 Dmen 3 on the right and 3 on the left.



Yes he is expansion exempt and it took him all of 16 games to prove he belongs in the NHL and earn his spot on the Wings. So why would Detroit trade him? He made the team last season and he's expansion exempt.


Explained it a bit above, basic idea is that a defensive 3RD is easier to find than a starting goalie and Lindstrom, while being a competent NHL prospect, doesn’t really have that high of an upside

Also of the belief Yzerman wants to compete as soon as possible, don’t think any of the goalie prospects could compete sooner than 3 seasons from now

Signing Murray to a 3-4 year contract to bridge that gap makes a lot of sense, helps Detroit build toward being a contender
Sep. 18, 2020 at 9:00 p.m.
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Quoting: Marino4Norris
Explained it a bit above, basic idea is that a defensive 3RD is easier to find than a starting goalie and Lindstrom, while being a competent NHL prospect, doesn’t really have that high of an upside

Also of the belief Yzerman wants to compete as soon as possible, don’t think any of the goalie prospects could compete sooner than 3 seasons from now

Signing Murray to a 3-4 year contract to bridge that gap makes a lot of sense, helps Detroit build toward being a contender


I get that but I just don't think trading Lindstrom to get Murray is worth it. The other thing is if Pittsburgh had the confidence in Jarry to be their #1 goalie why didn't he start in the play in round instead of just playing in the last game.
Sep. 18, 2020 at 9:12 p.m.
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I get that but I just don't think trading Lindstrom to get Murray is worth it. The other thing is if Pittsburgh had the confidence in Jarry to be their #1 goalie why didn't he start in the play in round instead of just playing in the last game.


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