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PietrangelOhNoNotThisAgain

Initial Creation Date: Sep 19, 2020
Published: Sep 20 at 10:34
Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
Team Explanation
Still just messing around with different iterations.
These trades are a combination of stolen ideas and things I haven’t been yelled at for yet.

The CAR/ARZ trade is a draft day 3way. CAR gets Freddy for a 2nd+3rd. ARZ gets that 3rd from CAR plus the 1st (15 OA) for Kuemper with 16.7% retained salary (750k). Leafs get 2 years of Kuemper cheap + a 2nd for Freddy and a 1st.

Kept the Pesce trade separate because it isn’t done until FA, and only if Pietrangelo agrees to sign.

The Marincin buyout is purely out of spite.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Mikheyev, Ilya2$1,650,000
Rodrigues, Evan1$875,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Spezza, Jason1$825,000
Pietrangelo, Alex7$8,650,000
Martin, Matt2$1,750,000
Trades
TOR
  1. Barbashev, Ivan
STL
  1. 2020 2nd round pick (TOR)
  2. 2020 4th round pick (VGK)
TOR
  1. 2020 2nd round pick (CAR)
CAR
  1. Andersen, Frederik
Additional Details:
3way - CAR 3rd 2021 goes to ARZ
TOR
  1. Kuemper, Darcy ($750,000 retained)
ARI
  1. 2020 1st round pick (PIT)
3way - ARZ receives CAR 3rd 2021
TOR
  1. 2020 1st round pick (VAN)
  2. 2021 3rd round pick (NJD)
NJD
  1. Johnsson, Andreas
  2. Dermott, Travis [RFA Rights]
TOR
  1. Pesce, Brett ($250,000 retained)
CAR
  1. Nylander, William
Additional Details:
The retention was only added to piss off Canes fans.
TOR
  1. Watson, Austin
  2. 2020 2nd round pick (NSH)
NSH
  1. Kerfoot, Alexander
  2. 2020 4th round pick (TOR)
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
  • Martin Marincin: $233,333
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
VAN
CAR
NSH
VGK
CAR
COL
TOR
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
TOR
NJD
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$81,476,167$0$0$23,833
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,634,000
C
UFA - 4
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$10,893,000
RW
UFA - 5
TOR
Robertson, Nicholas
$821,667
LW
RFA - 3
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 5
NSH
Watson, Austin
$1,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 3
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$1,650,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
STL
Barbashev, Ivan
$1,475,000
C
RFA - 1
TOR
Barabanov, Alexander
$925,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
$1,250,000
LW, C
RFA - 2
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$825,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
Martin, Matt
$1,750,000
LW, RW
UFA
TOR
Rodrigues, Evan
$875,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
TOR
Korshkov, Yegor
$925,000
RW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
Pietrangelo, Alex
$8,650,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 7
ARI
Kuemper, Darcy
$3,750,000
G
UFA - 2
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$5,625,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 4
CAR
Pesce, Brett
$3,775,000
RD
UFA - 4
TOR
Campbell, Jack
$1,650,000
G
UFA - 2
TOR
Lehtonen, Mikko
$925,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Holl, Justin
$2,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 3
TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
$894,167
LD
RFA - 2

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Sep 20 at 10:35
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name checks out
Sep 20 at 10:36
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"we just stole Pietrangelo for free, give us Barbashev too. Yes, Pietrangelo and Barbashev for a 2nd and 4th rounder"
Sep 20 at 10:44
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but you’re close.
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Quoting: leafs101
"we just stole Pietrangelo for free, give us Barbashev too. Yes, Pietrangelo and Barbashev for a 2nd and 4th rounder"


I’m guessing they don’t teach you that you can’t steal a FA until grade 10, huh Ricky?
Sep 20 at 10:51
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Why wouldn't Carolina just give up their 3rd and 13th OA for Kuemper retained?
Sep 20 at 10:51
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Quoting: WorstTradesPossible
I’m guessing they don’t teach you that you can’t steal a FA until grade 10, huh Ricky?


you know what my brain thinkings are saying though
Sep 20 at 10:55
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but you’re close.
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Quoting: Caniac2000
Why wouldn't Carolina just give up their 3rd and 13th OA for Kuemper retained?


They definitely could do that. I’m just going off their reported interest in Freddy.
Sep 20 at 11:04
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Why would NJ do that? Lol
Sep 20 at 11:13
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Quoting: WorstTradesPossible
They definitely could do that. I’m just going off their reported interest in Freddy.


The inquired about Freddie, if they were still interested a deal would have been done
Sep 20 at 11:17
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but you’re close.
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Quoting: JRoss
Why would NJ do that? Lol


NJ’s AGM and Sr VP hockey ops quoted as saying they’re looking to add 2 dmen, a top 6 FW, and a 3rd line winger.
Sep 20 at 11:28
#10
Thread Starter
but you’re close.
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Quoting: Caniac2000
The inquired about Freddie, if they were still interested a deal would have been done


Right. Because every deal that could be done for this off season has already been done. Sound logic.
Sep 20 at 11:31
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Quoting: WorstTradesPossible
NJ’s AGM and Sr VP hockey ops quoted as saying they’re looking to add 2 dmen, a top 6 FW, and a 3rd line winger.

Yeah. Not a bottom pairing Dman and certainly not giving up a first for that. Johnsson might be worth a second. It’s been debatable between leaf fans and other fans. I think he’s worth a third. I’d give you a third for Johnsson. I have no interest in Dermott. We need top four in NJ
Sep 20 at 11:42
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Quoting: Caniac2000
Why wouldn't Carolina just give up their 3rd and 13th OA for Kuemper retained?

I wouldn’t want to move 13 for Kuemper. I’d move the 2021 first but not a top 15 pick in an incredibly deep draft. Anderson for a 2nd and 3rd i think I would do
Sep 20 at 1:25
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Quoting: etpeck
I wouldn’t want to move 13 for Kuemper. I’d move the 2021 first but not a top 15 pick in an incredibly deep draft. Anderson for a 2nd and 3rd i think I would do


I know, but if they were going to get an upgrade in goal... why would they not go for an.... actual upgrade and not Freddie?
Sep 20 at 2:04
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Quoting: Caniac2000
I know, but if they were going to get an upgrade in goal... why would they not go for an.... actual upgrade and not Freddie?


Freddie is an upgrade maybe not as big as kuemper. The price is way cheaper tho
Sep 20 at 2:07
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Quoting: etpeck
Freddie is an upgrade maybe not as big as kuemper. The price is way cheaper tho


Freddie was worse than both Mrazek and Reimer
Sep 20 at 2:14
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Quoting: Caniac2000
Freddie was worse than both Mrazek and Reimer


He absolutely is not. He has a long history of being a top 10-15 goalie in the NHL.
Sep 21 at 9:50
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Quoting: etpeck
He absolutely is not. He has a long history of being a top 10-15 goalie in the NHL.


No, he doesn't. Only 2/3 years. That's not a long history. You forget 4 years ago he was backing up John Gibson in Anaheim (who btw is one of the best goalies in the league with a long history of being one of the best goalies in the league)
Sep 21 at 9:53
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Quoting: Caniac2000
No, he doesn't. Only 2/3 years. That's not a long history. You forget 4 years ago he was backing up John Gibson in Anaheim (who btw is one of the best goalies in the league with a long history of being one of the best goalies in the league)


That simply isn’t true. Gibson and Anderson were mainly a tandem but they were both too good to be in a tandem. As a result the Ducks traded Anderson because he was older and Gibson was probably a bit better. Honestly I’m really not sure how you can say that Anderson wouldn’t be an upgrade over Mrazek. Anderson is a true number 1 which the canes have needed for years. If the price isn’t really heavy, why wouldn’t you make the move
Sep 21 at 10:13
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Quoting: etpeck
That simply isn’t true. Gibson and Anderson were mainly a tandem but they were both too good to be in a tandem. As a result the Ducks traded Anderson because he was older and Gibson was probably a bit better. Honestly I’m really not sure how you can say that Anderson wouldn’t be an upgrade over Mrazek. Anderson is a true number 1 which the canes have needed for years. If the price isn’t really heavy, why wouldn’t you make the move


Andersen isn't a number 1. Why do you think there's been such an uproar about his consistency and the need for a decent backup in Toronto? He was a .908 goalie this year. Reimer was a .914. Why would you make that move when you have a better goalie coming off a better season who's been a number one for most of his career (minus a few years in Florida, but all goalies go to die in Florida) I don't understand why you make a move for Freddie. Goaltending was far from Carolina's major issue this year. I'd be far more concerned that outside of the 3 60 point producers on the SAT line, no other forward hit 40. I'd be more concerned that Jordan Staal is looking more and more like he's regressing. Reimer in particular was a stand out goalie this year. I'm not saying don't make the move if it's there. For Keuemper? Fine. But Freddie is not an improvement
Sep 21 at 10:35
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Quoting: Caniac2000
Andersen isn't a number 1. Why do you think there's been such an uproar about his consistency and the need for a decent backup in Toronto? He was a .908 goalie this year. Reimer was a .914. Why would you make that move when you have a better goalie coming off a better season who's been a number one for most of his career (minus a few years in Florida, but all goalies go to die in Florida) I don't understand why you make a move for Freddie. Goaltending was far from Carolina's major issue this year. I'd be far more concerned that outside of the 3 60 point producers on the SAT line, no other forward hit 40. I'd be more concerned that Jordan Staal is looking more and more like he's regressing. Reimer in particular was a stand out goalie this year. I'm not saying don't make the move if it's there. For Keuemper? Fine. But Freddie is not an improvement


Reimer is not a number one goalie. The issues with Anderson are far more due to Toronto being totally unable to defend. I would expect Anderson to have way better number if he were on the canes. I agree the canes need a top 6 winger so why not improve the goaltending without having to spend a ton of capital. I would still put improving goaltending as the canes most immediate need
 
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