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Practical trades Palms Severson Zacha

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Team: 2020-21 New Jersey Devils
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 21, 2020
Published: Sep. 21, 2020
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Rebuilding clubs with cap seem to all get the SAME OFFERS every day. They really boil down to three types:


1. The MASSIVE CAP DUMP: Eriksson, Neal, etc...you know them.

2. The MILD CAP DUMP: These are bad. A contract in exchange for a mid-round pick, usually followed by the well-thought out explanation: "Any Team"

3. The 5-FOR-1: The worst of them, the lousy list-for-1 offer. This should be the "how not to" build a trade. Here is a standard script:


(a) The Unwanted Frequently Scratched Veteran: a 30-something with term whose salary needs to be moved...."He is not a cap dump"...."he would be a core guy"...and the worst sales pitch of all, "he can help the young guys"

(b) The Former Prospect: The once high draft pick they hope you still think is a prospect. Usually a 24-year old still plugging away in AHL...with the upside to one day be a 27-year still plugging away in AHL.

(c) The Depth Piece: a bottom-pair d-man or 4th liner “for depth” Basically an easily replaceable guy with nominal value, but is added to make their offer look stronger.

(d) Little Bitty Futures: A mid-round pick or two...or even possibly a late 2nd..."to balance"

(e) The salary retention: Usually 50% ...as if we are not in a tight cap era and that one should get thrown in for free.

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Just to counter...Here are some more realistic, simple ideas.
Trades
1.
NJD
  1. Studnicka, Jack
  2. 2021 2nd round pick (BOS)
BOS
  1. Palmieri, Kyle
2.
NJD
  1. Samberg, Dylan
  2. 2021 3rd round pick (WPG)
WPG
  1. Zacha, Pavel
3.
NJD
  1. Koster, Mike [Reserve List]
  2. Sandin, Rasmus
  3. 2020 1st round pick (PIT)
TOR
  1. Severson, Damon
Additional Details:
$2,000,000 retained salary
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2020
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2021
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2022
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13$81,500,000$34,191,098$0$3,607,500$47,308,902
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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Gusev, Nikita
$1,000,000$1,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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Hischier, Nico
$7,250,000$7,250,000
C
UFA - 7
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Wood, Miles
$2,750,000$2,750,000
LW
UFA - 2
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Zajac, Travis
$2,875,000$2,875,000
C
NTC
UFA - 1
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Hughes, Jack
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,850,000$3M)
C
UFA - 2
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McLeod, Michael
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$500,000$500K)
C
RFA - 1
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Studnicka, Jack
$769,167$769,167 (Performance Bonus$107,500$108K)
RW, C
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Butcher, Will
$2,822,764$2,822,764
LD
UFA - 2
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Carrick, Connor
$1,500,000$1,500,000
RD
UFA - 1
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Schneider, Cory
$700,000$700,000
G
UFA - 1
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Samberg, Dylan
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$150,000$150K)
LD
RFA - 3
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Subban, P.K.
$9,000,000$9,000,000
RD
UFA - 2
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Sandin, Rasmus
$894,167$894,167
LD
UFA - 2

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Sep. 21, 2020 at 9:38 a.m.
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No from Boston. Studnicka not getting moved.

But your description is spot on. 👍🏻
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Sep. 21, 2020 at 9:40 a.m.
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Now it's too much. Try Bjork, Lauko, Steen or Frederic + a 2nd and conditional third, or Bjork, Lauko, Steen or Frederic and a 1st. Definite deal. Then their are the throw in sweeteners if the Devils retain, the bruins send back John Moore, or Palmieri resigns in Boston.
Sep. 21, 2020 at 9:41 a.m.
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No from Winnipeg. The Jets need Samberg far more than they need Zacha.
Sep. 21, 2020 at 9:43 a.m.
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If the Leaf were ever to acquire a veteran Dman, they aren't going to make a trade as proposed. Leafs have to get rid of cap.
Leafs would be 100 times better off, signing a UFA for 4m, and keeping Sandin, and the pick. Leafs would be much better, signing a player like DeMelo, and trading Johnsson for a 7th rounder than giving up two great assets. But it isn't just true for the Leafs, most teams have to get rid of cap, to make a trade.
Sep. 21, 2020 at 9:44 a.m.
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Quoting: Shane_Kelly
Now it's too much. Try Bjork, Lauko, Steen or Frederic + a 2nd and conditional third, or Bjork, Lauko, Steen or Frederic and a 1st. Definite deal. Then their are the throw in sweeteners if the Devils retain, the bruins send back John Moore, or Palmieri resigns in Boston.


Read the description above, then read what you wrote, then hang your head in shame.
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Sep. 21, 2020 at 9:46 a.m.
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Quoting: palhal
If the Leaf were ever to acquire a veteran Dman, they aren't going to make a trade as proposed. Leafs have to get rid of cap.
Leafs would be 100 times better off, signing a UFA for 4m, and keeping Sandin, and the pick. Leafs would be much better, signing a player like DeMelo, and trading Johnsson for a 7th rounder than giving up two great assets. But it isn't just true for the Leafs, most teams have to get rid of cap, to make a trade.


Leafs need a guy that can keep the puck out of their net trading for a guy that’s -107 for his career not going make that happen
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Sep. 21, 2020 at 9:46 a.m.
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Sandin alone has more value than Severson. let alone adding in the 15OA.

I's love to know what you're smoking if you think Severson is worth Sandin, 15oa+.

Leafs Decline.
Sep. 21, 2020 at 9:48 a.m.
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I would give 15OA for Severson, maybe even adding in Semyon Der-Argunischev. But nothing more. We can always sign DeMelo and trade johnsson to make room.
Sep. 21, 2020 at 9:49 a.m.
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Not paying that for Severson. There are equal or potentially even better options that could likely be had through free agency or cheaper trades.
Sep. 21, 2020 at 9:51 a.m.
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Quoting: GrinReaper
Leafs need a guy that can keep the puck out of their net trading for a guy that’s -107 for his career not going make that happen


I see you are relatively new to CapFriendly. On this site, it's been going on for years that the Leafs NEED RHD. Seems like the other 30 teams all have three NHL competent RHD, and even some of these teams minor leaguers are better than any of the Leafs Dmen with the exception of Reilly and Muzzin.
Sep. 21, 2020 at 9:53 a.m.
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You make some great points in your explanation, but you still fail to recognize that neither Boston or Toronto is looking to trade entry level contracts with high talent upside for players that don't really get better, earn more and cost draft picks on top of that. Does Severson really improve Toronto remarkably compared to Sandin? Does he do it at a 3m+ expense? Is that improvement, if it now exists, actually worth a first rounder on top of that?

I agree that teams need to pay New Jersey actual pieces to get Palmieri, Severson or to dump heavy contracts, but giving up Studnicka and Sandin makes even less sense, as you're getting more expensive and older without knowing if you'll really get better.

A trade that makes more sense is something around DeBrusk, Bjork or Kase - players that actually make money, but that are still younger and more in line with what NJ wants to do than Palmieri. I wouldn't trade either of them for a solid player, but who's on an expiring contract and bound to get overpaid in his next deal. Somebody else on this board might though.
Sep. 21, 2020 at 9:54 a.m.
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
Read the description above, then read what you wrote, then hang your head in shame.


Ya I read the description. The "throw in" is another one of the prospects.
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Sep. 21, 2020 at 9:56 a.m.
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not paying that for a 2nd pairing defender
Sep. 21, 2020 at 9:57 a.m.
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Ya I read the description. The "throw in" is another one of the prospects.


Bjork, Steen 2021 1st, john Moore (10% retained)
for
Palmeiri (25% retained)

Done
Sep. 21, 2020 at 10:03 a.m.
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A+ description. D- trade with Boston.
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Sep. 21, 2020 at 10:10 a.m.
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Quoting: GrinReaper
Leafs need a guy that can keep the puck out of their net trading for a guy that’s -107 for his career not going make that happen


Quoting: MitchMarner_16
I would give 15OA for Severson, maybe even adding in Semyon Der-Argunischev. But nothing more. We can always sign DeMelo and trade johnsson to make room.


Quoting: LeafsFanForSomeReason
Not paying that for Severson. There are equal or potentially even better options that could likely be had through free agency or cheaper trades.


Quoting: JaredOfLondon
not paying that for a 2nd pairing defender


The Leafs fans saying they would never want Severson should be talking to the Leafs fans that make ~7 offers per day for Severson.
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Sep. 21, 2020 at 10:15 a.m.
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
The Leafs fans saying they would never want Severson should be talking to the Leafs fans that make ~7 offers per day for Severson.


please point out where the Leaf fan said they would never want Severson.
Sep. 21, 2020 at 10:16 a.m.
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Word of advice - don't ever include Studnicka or Vak in a Bruins trade. It could be for Eichel, McDavid, doesn't matter. The fan base on here will immediately tell you you're wrong, it's too much, etc.
Sep. 21, 2020 at 10:21 a.m.
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Quoting: MelonVK
You make some great points in your explanation, but you still fail to recognize that neither Boston or Toronto is looking to trade entry level contracts with high talent upside for players that don't really get better, earn more and cost draft picks on top of that. Does Severson really improve Toronto remarkably compared to Sandin? Does he do it at a 3m+ expense? Is that improvement, if it now exists, actually worth a first rounder on top of that?

I agree that teams need to pay New Jersey actual pieces to get Palmieri, Severson or to dump heavy contracts, but giving up Studnicka and Sandin makes even less sense, as you're getting more expensive and older without knowing if you'll really get better.

A trade that makes more sense is something around DeBrusk, Bjork or Kase - players that actually make money, but that are still younger and more in line with what NJ wants to do than Palmieri. I wouldn't trade either of them for a solid player, but who's on an expiring contract and bound to get overpaid in his next deal. Somebody else on this board might though.


For the record, I am on board with Bjork/pick package for Palmieri if NJD cannot resign him. Think that is totally in line with what we would see. But the endless packages of Senyshen, Moore, Zboril, Frederic, etc are kind of painful.

Also, I understand your point on moving contracts....but cap-comfortable teams that are rebuilding have no responsibility to take salary from the cap-squeezed clubs. Teams have to PAY for that....there are too many buyers of cap space and too few sellers....so the prices are high. Just the reality of the market.
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Sep. 21, 2020 at 10:23 a.m.
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
please point out where the Leaf fan said they would never want Severson.


Correction.

The Leafs fans saying they would not want Severson should be talking to the Leafs fans that make ~7 offers per day for Severson
Sep. 21, 2020 at 10:24 a.m.
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I'm not very high on Samberg myself but I doubt the Jets would have any interest in moving him for that return.
Sep. 21, 2020 at 10:25 a.m.
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Correction.

The Leafs fans saying they would not want Severson should be talking to the Leafs fans that make ~7 offers per day for Severson


please show me where leafs fans said they do not want Severson
Sep. 21, 2020 at 10:29 a.m.
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Correction.

The Leafs fans saying they would not want Severson should be talking to the Leafs fans that make ~7 offers per day for Severson


Severson would be nice. Any defensive rhd would be nice since we have none.

But youre out to lunch if you think severson is worth our best defenseman prospect, who most likely is our future top pair LD, and almost guaranteed top four LD. and the fifteenth overall pick in a deep draft.
Sep. 21, 2020 at 10:30 a.m.
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Quoting: Book_Hockey
Word of advice - don't ever include Studnicka or Vak in a Bruins trade. It could be for Eichel, McDavid, doesn't matter. The fan base on here will immediately tell you you're wrong, it's too much, etc.


The fewer prospects a team has, the more they hold onto them.
These guys are dime-a-dozen in deep pipelines like OTT, MTL, PHI, NJD, LAK.
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Sep. 21, 2020 at 10:39 a.m.
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
please show me where leafs fans said they do not want Severson


Just scroll up

Quoting: MitchMarner_16
Severson would be nice. Any defensive rhd would be nice since we have none.

But youre out to lunch if you think severson is worth our best defenseman prospect, who most likely is our future top pair LD, and almost guaranteed top four LD. and the fifteenth overall pick in a deep draft.


Severson, a 26-year old top-4 RHD under contract for 3 years at around $2 million....is 100% worth Sandin /1st / Koster.
 
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