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What teams have internal salary caps

Created by: BCAPP
Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 21, 2020
Published: Sep. 21, 2020
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I can see some interesting trading from teams with:

Salary cap and actual salary room
Tight salary cap, don't care about money (Leafs, maybe the Rangers to a degree if they spend, not sure who else)
Salary CAP space but internal salary limitations

You wonder if two and three can meet and make interesting trades

ie a team like the Leafs trading Marner AFTER his signing bonus. Not saying the Leafs really want to do it, but that would be $30,300,000 of his $65,358,000 paid out, or over 40% of his contract.

He would then be owed $35,058,000 over 5 years which is $7,000,000 per year, or another way, a cheap year of $700,000 and then about 8.7 x 4 years...
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$1,850,000
1$1,650,000
2$700,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
4$3,250,000
3$1,000,000
Trades
TOR
  1. Tkachuk, Matthew
  2. 2020 1st round pick (CGY)
CGY
  1. Marner, Mitchell
  2. 2020 2nd round pick (TOR)
Additional Details:
If this trade is done after signing bonuses they are paid fairly similarly over next two years.

Tkachuk 3.5 mil salary this year
9 mil salary the year after

Marner 700k salary this year
9.6 m signing bonus next summer and 750k salary next year

After that though, Marner is locked in to essentially 8.5 mil per year for four years, Tkachuk is going to want more, if they want to keep money below cap this could work
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2020
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Logo of the TOR
Logo of the CAR
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Logo of the STL
Logo of the WPG
2021
Logo of the TOR
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Logo of the TOR
Logo of the TOR
Logo of the TOR
Logo of the TOR
2022
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$80,193,450$0$0$1,306,550
Left WingCentreRight Wing
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$3,400,000$3,400,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$11,640,250$11,640,250
C
UFA - 4
Logo of the Calgary Flames
$7,000,000$7,000,000
RW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$2,250,000$2,250,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$11,000,000$11,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 5
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$6,962,366$6,962,366
RW
UFA - 4
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$821,667$821,667
LW, RW
RFA - 4
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$3,500,000$3,500,000
LW, C, RW
UFA - 3
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$1,650,000$1,650,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$1,250,000$1,250,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$925,000$925,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
$1,000,000$1,000,000
LW, C
UFA - 3
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
$3,250,000$3,250,000
RD
UFA - 4
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$5,000,000$5,000,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$5,625,000$5,625,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 4
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$2,000,000$2,000,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$1,650,000$1,650,000
G
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$894,167$894,167
LD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$1,850,000$1,850,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$700,000$700,000
LD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$925,000$925,000
LD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$700,000$700,000
C
UFA - 1

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Sep. 21, 2020 at 12:20 p.m.
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This ain't the one.
Sep. 21, 2020 at 12:24 p.m.
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Wait. You're saying Marner only earns 700k this year? So Arizona or Ottawa could trade for him, get him a 100 point season, and then flip him in June without paying him a dime over league minimum?

That would be a lot of fun to watch. Wonder what kinds of picks/prospects they'd offer, to pad a deal centered around Ryan or Kessel.
Sep. 21, 2020 at 12:24 p.m.
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Lol take out the picks and Flames still decline
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Sep. 21, 2020 at 12:39 p.m.
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Yeah the Flames aren't trading Tkachuk lol, we don't have the cap space for that, nor the desire to trade away the better player. Find another team to dump Marner's deal on
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Sep. 21, 2020 at 12:39 p.m.
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This ain't the one.


Oddly TSN states Calgary is cutting costs. I was surprised
Sep. 21, 2020 at 12:40 p.m.
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Wait. You're saying Marner only earns 700k this year? So Arizona or Ottawa could trade for him, get him a 100 point season, and then flip him in June without paying him a dime over league minimum?

That would be a lot of fun to watch. Wonder what kinds of picks/prospects they'd offer, to pad a deal centered around Ryan or Kessel.


Check out his deal, its all signing bonuses.

He makes 700k or 750 k every year The two largest signing bonuses being the first two. So whenever the next one is paid out he's made 30 of 65 mil
Sep. 21, 2020 at 12:45 p.m.
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Oddly TSN states Calgary is cutting costs. I was surprised


Oh ya, Ken King is a garbage person who would cut costs whenever possible - the issue is your values are off, It would be Marner with retention and a 1st coming back for Tkachuk and a second. And that would only be if Johnny got shipped out.
Sep. 21, 2020 at 12:48 p.m.
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Oh ya, Ken King is a garbage person who would cut costs whenever possible - the issue is your values are off, It would be Marner with retention and a 1st coming back for Tkachuk and a second. And that would only be if Johnny got shipped out.


He's also not alive anymore.
Sep. 21, 2020 at 12:51 p.m.
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He's also not alive anymore.


You're right!

Damn
Sep. 21, 2020 at 12:52 p.m.
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You're right!

Damn



I believe Norman Murray Edwards bankrolls the team. You'd think an oil baron worth 1.5 billion would have the cash to support a full staff and roster.
Sep. 21, 2020 at 1:24 p.m.
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Flames would never trade tkachuk for marner. Marner is way overpaid flames don’t want to take on the 11 million cap hit. And marner is way worse than tkachuk. Marner is very one dimensional
Sep. 21, 2020 at 1:25 p.m.
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Oh ya, Ken King is a garbage person who would cut costs whenever possible - the issue is your values are off, It would be Marner with retention and a 1st coming back for Tkachuk and a second. And that would only be if Johnny got shipped out.


Your missing my point.

If Calgary has an internal budget Marner will cost less than Tkachuk in cash. The larger cap hit is irrelevant if they're running an internal budget.

If the trade happens after signing bonuses Tkachuk makes about 12.5 million over the next two years compared to roughly 11 million for Marner so slight savings.

Then Marner is effectively locked in to an 8.65 million contract (cash wise) for 4 years.

The Leafs as of the signing bonus being paid have paid 30 of 65 million.

In the end logic would state Calgary doesn't really make sense to have this discussion with as they shouldn't be salary limited, but I was just using them as I read they are
Sep. 21, 2020 at 1:26 p.m.
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Flames would never trade tkachuk for marner. Marner is way overpaid flames don’t want to take on the 11 million cap hit. And marner is way worse than tkachuk. Marner is very one dimensional


You certainly seem very unbiased with your username
Sep. 21, 2020 at 1:29 p.m.
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You certainly seem very unbiased with your username


Marner is better offensively but not by much, marner only has 50 more points and tkachuk has played less games. Tkachuk draws the most penalties in the league, tkachuk is a leader, tkachuk plays good defense and tkachuk is very physical and tkachuk will fight. So tell me how marner is even close to tkachuk, also tkachuk has 4 mil less cap hit
Sep. 21, 2020 at 1:46 p.m.
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Marner is better offensively but not by much, marner only has 50 more points and tkachuk has played less games. Tkachuk draws the most penalties in the league, tkachuk is a leader, tkachuk plays good defense and tkachuk is very physical and tkachuk will fight. So tell me how marner is even close to tkachuk, also tkachuk has 4 mil less cap hit


Again if you read the above, you'll see the argument is that his cap hit is irrelevant as its cash, and Marner is likely to be paid less cash after they both get their signing bonuses over the next 5 years.

In regards to drawing penalties, that tends to not be a skill that lasts all that long, as ref's get tired of you. Kadri was a leader in that for about 3 years straight, now he can't get a penalty to save his life, as the ref's don't trust him.

In regards to offense in the last two years Marner has 161 points in 141 gp, to Tkachuk's 138 points in 149 gp or in their careers, Tkchauk has 235 points in 293 GP to Marner's 291 pts in 300 GP.

While its technically almost true that , "marner only has 50 more points and tkachuk has played less games", in actuality Marner has 53 more points, but more importantly the "less games" is 7 games. 300 GP compared to 293 GP.

Look they're both super talented players, and Marner is actually good defensively (he was actually voted 14th in Selke votes last season (https://www.hockey-reference.com/awards/voting-2019.html#selke)), you can be good defensively without being physical (the greatest defensive player of this generation, Nik Lidstrom, was not particularly physical)), but they are different.

I only made this thread as it was suggested (surprisingly to me) by TSN that Calgary was on a budget and thus would care more about cash than cap
Sep. 21, 2020 at 2:07 p.m.
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How about Monahan+2nd for Matthews if we're talking cap problems smile
 
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