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100 mile deal - Freddy for Risto

Created by: Juice
Initial Creation Date: Sep 22, 2020
Published: Sep 22 at 12:49
Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
Team Explanation
BUFFALO DEAL:
What say you, Buffalo? Would a Freddy for Risto framework make sense? I'm not sure I like it myself but it buys you another year to nurture UPL without committing starters $$ to Ullmark. Could also leave Ullmark out of the deal and Leafs hunt a G in free agency instead.
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CAROLINA DEAL:
Maybe those 2 seconds need to be the 15th overall this year for the Pesce deal. Or maybe that one is way off all together. I thought Lilly would be a top RHD prospect they could have in the system and ready to go for next year if they let Dougie walk.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Gauthier, Frédérik2$800,000
Mikheyev, Ilya1$1,800,000
Bracco, Jeremy1$750,000
Ullmark, Linus2$3,000,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Spezza, Jason1$1,000,000
Perry, Corey1$1,500,000
Trades
TOR
  1. Ullmark, Linus [RFA Rights]
  2. Ristolainen, Rasmus
BUF
  1. Dermott, Travis [RFA Rights]
  2. Kerfoot, Alexander
  3. Andersen, Frederik
TOR
  1. Pesce, Brett
CAR
  1. Johnsson, Andreas
  2. Liljegren, Timothy
  3. 2020 2nd round pick (TOR)
  4. 2021 2nd round pick (TOR)
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
PIT
TOR
VGK
VGK
TOR
CAR
COL
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$80,930,200$0$0$569,800
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,634,000
C
UFA - 4
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$10,893,000
RW
UFA - 5
TOR
Robertson, Nicholas
$821,667
LW
RFA - 3
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 5
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$1,800,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$1,000,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
Perry, Corey
$1,500,000
RW
UFA
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
$1,250,000
LW, C
RFA - 2
TOR
Gauthier, Frédérik
$800,000
C
UFA
TOR
Bracco, Jeremy
$750,000
RW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
CAR
Pesce, Brett
$4,025,000
RD
UFA - 4
Ullmark, Linus
$3,000,000
G
RFA
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$5,625,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 4
BUF
Ristolainen, Rasmus
$5,400,000
RD
UFA - 2
TOR
Campbell, Jack
$1,650,000
G
UFA - 2
TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
$894,167
LD
RFA - 2
TOR
Holl, Justin
$2,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 3
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
TOR
Marincin, Martin
$700,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Petan, Nicolas
$775,000
LW, RW, C
RFA - 1

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Sep 22 at 12:54
#1
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Carolina laugh hard. They counter with McKeown, Foegele and 2 2nds for Nylander, because that's roughly what you're giving.
Sep 22 at 12:56
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Risto was the Green Jacket Winner a couple of seasons ago for being the worst defenseman in the league. He's another offensive minded guy that can't defend. Sure he can hit, and hits hard, and might spark the Leafs into sticking up for one another, but to lose your Starter, a solid 3C and a #4-5 defenseman to get Risto and a backup goalie isn't something that I'd personally sign up for..

Also for the Canes deal, it doesn't matter what you throw in. Everyone on the site wants Nylander+ for Pesce
Sep 22 at 12:58
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Quoting: Caniac2000
Carolina laugh hard. They counter with McKeown, Foegele and 2 2nds for Nylander, because that's roughly what you're giving.


I personally disagree...and that's fine, to each their own.

If the offer changes from the two 2nds to the 15th OA like the description suggests...you're looking at a top 6 young winger, top prospect and solid 1st rounder which it a very respectable haul for a very good defensive d-man.
Sep 22 at 1:01
#4
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If Andersen had more term than I think it would be a great idea on a sabres perspective. But they probably can’t take that risk because they have Dahlin to pay next offseason. And I doubt UPL will be ready for the NHL in the 2021-2022 season I’m hoping he develops quickly like Carter Hart.
Sep 22 at 1:06
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Quoting: jmac490
Risto was the Green Jacket Winner a couple of seasons ago for being the worst defenseman in the league. He's another offensive minded guy that can't defend. Sure he can hit, and hits hard, and might spark the Leafs into sticking up for one another, but to lose your Starter, a solid 3C and a #4-5 defenseman to get Risto and a backup goalie isn't something that I'd personally sign up for..

Also for the Canes deal, it doesn't matter what you throw in. Everyone on the site wants Nylander+ for Pesce


Completely fair comments all around. It seems like kyle is shopping all three of Freddy, Kerfoot and Dermott. I love Freddy but they must know his # to re-sign is more than they can afford and it's a buyer's market on goaltending this offseason. My guess is Kyle doesn't want to have anyone over $3m on the bottom 6 given how much is spent on the top 6....and Dermott I also like...but with Muzz locked in and Sandin looking capable of taking on 3rd pairing minutes, he's expendable vs trying to jam in on the right side.

I'd personally rather see them land a top 4 RHD man versus a handful of 2nd-4th round picks. Risto definitely has his warts but that's what also makes him potentially available....and I'm thinking having guys like him and Perry give us the serviceable a-holes we could use in the playoffs.

Just my 2 cents. Certainly not the best d-man they can target, but a fit could be there.
Sep 22 at 1:10
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Quoting: Sabres923
If Andersen had more term than I think it would be a great idea on a sabres perspective. But they probably can’t take that risk because they have Dahlin to pay next offseason. And I doubt UPL will be ready for the NHL in the 2021-2022 season I’m hoping he develops quickly like Carter Hart.


Thanks for the feedback. And the 1yr remaining on Freddy is certainly valid. I wouldn't enjoy having to face him as an opposing goalie. Never know what's going to come out of Buffalo given the politics there...but it seemed like an (uncomforable) fit as trading partners
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Sep 22 at 1:36
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Quoting: Juice
I personally disagree...and that's fine, to each their own.

If the offer changes from the two 2nds to the 15th OA like the description suggests...you're looking at a top 6 young winger, top prospect and solid 1st rounder which it a very respectable haul for a very good defensive d-man.


Carolina don't need more D prospects. Johnsson is not a top 6 winger. Lilly isn't even a top prospect anymore. The 1st rounder is a nice piece, but still an easy no for one of the best defensive D men in hockey making 4 mil for 4 years with a flat cap. Absolutely not.
Sep 22 at 1:36
#8
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Quoting: Juice
I personally disagree...and that's fine, to each their own.

If the offer changes from the two 2nds to the 15th OA like the description suggests...you're looking at a top 6 young winger, top prospect and solid 1st rounder which it a very respectable haul for a very good defensive d-man.


The issue is more that the canes aren’t going to move pesce and not make the team better. This move doesn’t make the canes a better team right now. For pesce to be moved the return would have to be a top 6 forward that is of equal value to pesce. This is something the leafs probably wouldn’t do and certainly isn’t provide in this deal. While u can argue that 15, liljgren, and Johnsson is probably pretty fair in value it just is not a move that makes sense for the canes to make
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Sep 22 at 2:19
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Quoting: Juice
I personally disagree...and that's fine, to each their own.

If the offer changes from the two 2nds to the 15th OA like the description suggests...you're looking at a top 6 young winger, top prospect and solid 1st rounder which it a very respectable haul for a very good defensive d-man.


As a fellow leafs fan, i would argue that Liljegren isn't really a top prospect anymore. Probably an NHLer pretty soon, but i doubt he'll ever crack a top pair
Sep 22 at 4:38
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Let's start with a compliment, I like discussions with you as you always listen and give good feed back.

What I like about the trade:
Dermott, fills the need for a LHD, this is good
Kerfoot, fills the need for a 3rd line center, this is good
Andersen, fills the need of a top GK, this is good

What I do not like:
I am really high on Ristolainen. He demonstrated that he could play better defense in the future with his performance last year.
I am also high on Ullmark. He gets better every year.
Dermott, played sheltered minutes last year against soft competition and mostly OZ starts
Kerfoot, will he return to his Colorado output or continue his Toronto production
Andersen, only one year remaining on his contract. Linus actually out performed him last year.

If Buffalo was to make only one more trade this may be the one.
I am not completely sold, but it is close and it helps Buffalo.
In closing I would not be surprised nor upset if this trade was made.
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Sep 23 at 10:10
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Quoting: gretzkyghosts
Let's start with a compliment, I like discussions with you as you always listen and give good feed back.

What I like about the trade:
Dermott, fills the need for a LHD, this is good
Kerfoot, fills the need for a 3rd line center, this is good
Andersen, fills the need of a top GK, this is good

What I do not like:
I am really high on Ristolainen. He demonstrated that he could play better defense in the future with his performance last year.
I am also high on Ullmark. He gets better every year.
Dermott, played sheltered minutes last year against soft competition and mostly OZ starts
Kerfoot, will he return to his Colorado output or continue his Toronto production
Andersen, only one year remaining on his contract. Linus actually out performed him last year.

If Buffalo was to make only one more trade this may be the one.
I am not completely sold, but it is close and it helps Buffalo.
In closing I would not be surprised nor upset if this trade was made.


Thanks @gretzkyghost . Love the feedback and insight you provide. Definitely risks on both sides of the deal and I can already see Risto being the new whipping boy for Leaf fans to harp on...but value seemed close. I know he runs hot and cold with the Buffalo fan base similar to Freddy and the leafs come playoff time.

For me, I like tossing different ideas out there and finding a reasonable member of the opposing fan base to gauge if there's a potential fit. If Buffalo rolls with Miller and Montour in the top two spots I could see them using Risto to help fill other holes
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