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Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 23, 2020
Published: Sep. 23, 2020
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1$1,400,000
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  1. Marchment, Mason [RFA Rights]
  2. 2020 3rd round pick (COL)
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  1. Engvall, Pierre
  2. 2020 4th round pick (TOR)
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  1. True, Alex
  2. 2021 3rd round pick (WSH)
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Sep. 23, 2020 at 10:52 a.m.
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why on earth would you trade a good 4th liner who can kill penalties and fill in on the 3rd line for an ahl player?
Sep. 23, 2020 at 10:55 a.m.
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why on earth would you trade a good 4th liner who can kill penalties and fill in on the 3rd line for an ahl player?


Cap space
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why on earth would you trade a good 4th liner who can kill penalties and fill in on the 3rd line for an ahl player?


The leafs wouldn't even have $1000 in cap space if these trades occured thats the thing
Sep. 23, 2020 at 10:56 a.m.
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I like this a lot.
Just move Holl and Freddy, get a cheaper G and another d-man and you're all set
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Sep. 23, 2020 at 10:57 a.m.
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The leafs wouldn't even have $1000 in cap space if these trades occured thats the thing


Not saying Engvall definitely shouldn't go but man don't waste your time arguing with JOL. It's a better use of time to stare at a wall
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Sep. 23, 2020 at 10:58 a.m.
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Cap space


well that's what happens when you over pay for Wayne Simmonds and Zach Bogosian, and when you keep almost 2 million in the press box
Sep. 23, 2020 at 10:58 a.m.
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The leafs wouldn't even have $1000 in cap space if these trades occured thats the thing


I also have a 23 man roster, how many ACGM have only 20 or 21.
Sep. 23, 2020 at 10:59 a.m.
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No reason to make that Florida trade. I think you will see Engvall play with some more grit and throw his body around a bit more next year (like he did with the Marlies) now that he has some confidence.

Simmonds is not going to provide value at that contract or in that role, he's way over-rated at this point in his career. I love adding Jarnkrok but would try to do it for less than Dermott who I think the Leafs will want to keep.

Don't want Bogosian either, no matter how he has looked in Tampa Bay.
Sep. 23, 2020 at 10:59 a.m.
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well that's what happens when you over pay for Wayne Simmonds and Zach Bogosian, and when you keep almost 2 million in the press box


Right cause having 20 or 21 man rosters work
Sep. 23, 2020 at 10:59 a.m.
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Didn't they just trade away Marchment? Trade feels like diminishing returns.
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Sep. 23, 2020 at 11:03 a.m.
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Didn't they just trade away Marchment? Trade feels like diminishing returns.


They did, I just loved his game with the Marlies, hoped he would have gotten a shot with the Leafs.
Sep. 23, 2020 at 11:03 a.m.
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Right cause having 20 or 21 man rosters work


let's see, an extra 800k for the contracts being the right price, one of the scratches in the AHL or wherever
/does some math
ah, good, and there we have it, more than enough cap space AND an extra forward and defender (in this case Engvall and Kivi)
wow, that was hard
Sep. 23, 2020 at 11:06 a.m.
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I don't think that gets Jarnkrok
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Sep. 23, 2020 at 11:11 a.m.
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I don't think that gets Jarnkrok


You guys want Bracco? Jokes, what needs adding, can’t be too much more. IMO kinda fair values 1 for 1
Sep. 23, 2020 at 11:22 a.m.
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I don't mind the players targeted. Makes them a more physical team to battle while still keeping the high end talent.

I am skeptical Joe will ever leave SJS, especially for $700k...so that might end up being Gauthier or Spezza instead. Would likely take SJS just not offering him any contract for him to consider looking elsewhere.

I think Bogosian would be a solid add....we'll see what he ends up commanding in free agency...but even at $2.5m for 2-3 years gives the leafs some jam on the right side....I think he'll attract interest around the league.

If the leafs can become a pre-retirement haven for guys like Spezza/Thornton/etc. on league min deals, I'm all for it. I think the locker room needs some better leadership. A guy like Corey Perry would be another name to look at if the Stars don't keep him. He's such an a-hole to play against and we need that.
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Sep. 23, 2020 at 11:24 a.m.
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You guys want Bracco? Jokes, what needs adding, can’t be too much more. IMO kinda fair values 1 for 1


I would hope NSH could get more than a bottom pairing defenseman for Jarnkrok. Dermott is young which is nice, but I really don't see him ever being more than a bottom pairing defenseman. NSH has a few defenseman in their system that could play bottom pair - or there are some in free agency for only cap space. I'd probably rather have picks if Dermott is offered. I also think NSH would be more interested in a RD as opposed to LD -- but Holl would not be enough for Jarnkrok. I think Jarnkrok's value is > than a 3rd pairing defenseman.
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Sep. 23, 2020 at 11:27 a.m.
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Honestly I like these trades. The leafs get some decent depth up front and Jarnkrok is definitely someone who can play a great middle six role. I never even considered trading Dermott for him but tbh it's something that could help both teams as Nashville needs a stronger bottom pairing defence and Toronto needs some cheap middle six forwards if the move Johnsson and Kerfoot.
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Sep. 23, 2020 at 11:32 a.m.
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I also have a 23 man roster, how many ACGM have only 20 or 21.


No there is nothing wrong with that I was just trying to explain why the leafs trade Engvall there lol. Also I mean do we really wanna give Bogosion that deal? I mean he is decent but Sandin is ready and Lehtonen can play the right side I think so it just doesn't make a lot of sense to me that's all.
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Sep. 23, 2020 at 11:34 a.m.
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I would hope NSH could get more than a bottom pairing defenseman for Jarnkrok. Dermott is young which is nice, but I really don't see him ever being more than a bottom pairing defenseman. NSH has a few defenseman in their system that could play bottom pair - or there are some in free agency for only cap space. I'd probably rather have picks if Dermott is offered. I also think NSH would be more interested in a RD as opposed to LD -- but Holl would not be enough for Jarnkrok. I think Jarnkrok's value is > than a 3rd pairing defenseman.


I wouldn’t call Dermott a third pairing d man. Right now he is behind Rielly and Muzzin. And in NSH he would also be behind Josi and Ekholm. But his ability to play the right side would help. Again maybe not the right move for NSH but as far as value wise, Jarnkrok straight up for Dermott is equal value. But I rate Dermott higher than you do. I’m guessing.
Sep. 23, 2020 at 11:54 a.m.
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I wouldn’t call Dermott a third pairing d man. Right now he is behind Rielly and Muzzin. And in NSH he would also be behind Josi and Ekholm. But his ability to play the right side would help. Again maybe not the right move for NSH but as far as value wise, Jarnkrok straight up for Dermott is equal value. But I rate Dermott higher than you do. I’m guessing.


I mean, he doesn't play PP and he's not relied on a lot for the PK. He's not lighting up the scoreboard and he's not amazing defensively either. He's just an OK defenseman that mainly plays even strength against lesser competition. Part of that is because he's playing behind better, veteran defenseman like Muzzin and Rielly like you said - but I just don't really see him developing into a top 4 defenseman. I like him as a bottom pairing guy, but I wouldn't give up Jarnkrok for that. Jarnkrok has proven that he is an extremely solid defensive forward that can play center or wing, play PP or PK, go up against top competition, and consistently put up 15+ goals and 30+ points. If given an opportunity like Hyman - playing with top players - I think he could bump those numbers up closer to 20+ goals and 45+ points. And his contract is just too good and gives him added value during the flat cap seasons as well. Basically, I would value Dermott at around a 3rd round pick and I would value Jarnkrok at around two 3rd round picks.
Sep. 23, 2020 at 12:32 p.m.
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I mean, he doesn't play PP and he's not relied on a lot for the PK. He's not lighting up the scoreboard and he's not amazing defensively either. He's just an OK defenseman that mainly plays even strength against lesser competition. Part of that is because he's playing behind better, veteran defenseman like Muzzin and Rielly like you said - but I just don't really see him developing into a top 4 defenseman. I like him as a bottom pairing guy, but I wouldn't give up Jarnkrok for that. Jarnkrok has proven that he is an extremely solid defensive forward that can play center or wing, play PP or PK, go up against top competition, and consistently put up 15+ goals and 30+ points. If given an opportunity like Hyman - playing with top players - I think he could bump those numbers up closer to 20+ goals and 45+ points. And his contract is just too good and gives him added value during the flat cap seasons as well. Basically, I would value Dermott at around a 3rd round pick and I would value Jarnkrok at around two 3rd round picks.


I would counter with; Dermott is a gifted skater, possesses good instincts, had the best plus/minus (+14) among Toronto defenders during the regular season, and was pressed into a top-four role when injuries struck the Leafs blueline before the pause. After the loss of Muzzin in Game 2, averaged nearly 19 minutes per game, and had an assist in the series loss to the Blue Jackets. Dermott has played the right side in Junior, the AHL and at times with the Leafs. IMO, You’d be hard pressed to find someone his age who has put up such solid numbers. Yes they’re third pairing, and no he isn’t flashy, but he’s damn good and still young. He just needs a shot with more minutes. Because he’s a great skater, passer, and smart playmaker, he’s very effective and seems capable of doing everything well. Whether that’s with the Leafs, Nashville, or another team. And more than worthy of a late second or two thirds
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Sep. 23, 2020 at 12:38 p.m.
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I would counter with; Dermott is a gifted skater, possesses good instincts, had the best plus/minus (+14) among Toronto defenders during the regular season, and was pressed into a top-four role when injuries struck the Leafs blueline before the pause. After the loss of Muzzin in Game 2, averaged nearly 19 minutes per game, and had an assist in the series loss to the Blue Jackets. Dermott has played the right side in Junior, the AHL and at times with the Leafs. IMO, You’d be hard pressed to find someone his age who has put up such solid numbers. Yes they’re third pairing, and no he isn’t flashy, but he’s damn good and still young. He just needs a shot with more minutes. Because he’s a great skater, passer, and smart playmaker, he’s very effective and seems capable of doing everything well. Whether that’s with the Leafs, Nashville, or another team. And more than worthy of a late second or two thirds


Fair enough. I think he might be better suited for a NJD, FLA, DET, SJS, ARI (if they lose some contracts), or WPG even -- basically a team that could more easily slide him into a top 4 role. As far as NSH's needs, I think Holl fits much better - someone who can play on the bottom pairing (or top 4 if needed), RHD, reasonable contract, big body, good on the PK, etc.
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