Chicago easily declines the WPG trade; Strome is worth a top 20 pick alone. We'll keep him

The OTT deal makes no sense. We can buyout Smith and the cap hit is only $1M. Why would we retain 1/2?

the team that trades the cap dump pays the team taking the cap dump not the other way around OTT declines

As both a Hawks and Jets fan..... oh, no he's not.... maybe if he was signed to a team friendly contract. Hawks will have a hard time signing him a Kubalik without getting rid of Saad, and no one is taking that contact this year. Furthermore, guess what a 4 million dollar offer sheet gets you this year? 1 second round pick. Maybe Winnipeg throws in a 3rd rounder to make it more even..... but he's an RFA, who hasn't proved he deserves a big contract yet, which means he'll be bridged. No one is risking a 1st rounder on him without sending a contract back in return.

Yeah I understand that. The players I put in for Ottawa wouldn't actually be going back (i just used their salaries as placeholders). Smith to Ottawa for a 6th and Chicago retains 1/2 his salary.

Because a buy out would mean 2 years of retained salary.

You are way off in your assessment.

1) Strome just turned 23, is a bonafide 2C coming off two 50+ point seasons (this past abbreviated season prorated to a regular full season), has plenty of upside, and is a RFA who the team that holds it has full control of his career by bridging him and still owning his RFA rights at the completion of the bridge. Strome is also the former #3 pick overall. So yeah, Strome is worth a top 20 pick, not top 10 but top 20.

2) Strome's value has nothing to do with the Hawks cap. A player's value is a player's value period.

3) If you understood the Hawk's cap situation, you'd understand how easy it is to buyout Maatta ($680K) and Smith ($1M) and they are fine. Kubalik will get a 1 or 2 year deal and there are ZERO comparables to him if he wanted to head to arbitration. He will be a $3.5M for 1 year or $4M for 2 years. Strome gets either a 1 year qualifying offer or $3.25M for 2 years; maybe $3.5M for 3.

4) If someone offered sheeted Strome, in order for the offer not to be matched by the Hawks, it would take $4.3M which would be a 1st and 3rd rounder.

Bottom line, the Hawks EASILY decline that trade with the Jets...terrible estimation of Strome's value to suggest they would move him to move up 7 spots in the draft; this isn't moving up from #10 to #3 in which case that would be different. At #10 a comparable player to Strome like Lundell will be available and every GM would take a proven asset like Strome then to risk it on Lundell who may or may not develop into a 2C (that's his ceiling most analysts are suggesting. That is how you have to look at this...makes zero sense to do this.

Bro, you are way overvaluing him. Everyone in the NHL knows that he had a career year playing with Kane and DeBrincat. No one in the NHL is paying a 1st round pick for him except maybe at the tradeline with no contract left or a team-friendly contract. Here is a list of centers that have been signed at age 23. On bridge deals, only Galchenyuk was signed for more than 3 million (and he was coming off 2 20+ goal season including a 30 goal season). https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/contracts/sort-value/center/signed-age-23/limit-100/
Yes, it moves up 7 spots....but it gives the Hawks a chance to draft an area of real need with the best goaltender the draft has seen since Price. It solidifies a position for the next decade.
Lundell is already a better 2 way player than Strome....
Strome is a 3C on the Hawks because of Dach.....which at 3.5 or 4 million is a luxury. This isn't all that different than Kadri in Toronto and no one was offering up a 1st rounder for him either.
Yes, the cap matters this year. We already know that the cap will not be going up for years because of the pandemic. Why would the Hawks buy out multiple players and handcuff themselves for multiple years? Maata would cost them 680K for 4 years....Smith would cost them 1.1 for the next 2 years.
We've seen teams trade contracts for picks in the past, this year it will happen even more.
With that said I've acknowledged that perhaps the trade was a little unfair. The Jets take back Maata or DeHaan in the trade as well.

You are reaching and creating a strawman argument with a lot of assumptions and incorrect perspectives.

1) Strome played with Kane less then 50% of the time (I believe it was 46%).
2) You are way undervaluing strome. Again, there is no chance that the Hawks move up from #17 to #10 by giving up Strome regardless if it nets Askarov back.
3) Lundell has a chance of never being more then a 3C and in fact one NHL scout that The Athletic quoted believes Lundell will be a 4C at best.
4) Strome is still playing 2C
5) Every single professional analyst has said the Hawks will absolutely buyout Smith and if they can't find a trade partner for Maatta he will be bought out as well. Bottom line, your assessment thinking the Hawks are in a corner that they can't get out of easily against the cap is factually incorrect.
6) Hawks easily still say no, we aren't giving you more useful assets (De Haan or Maatta) who easily would play 2nd or 3rd line on the Jets with nothing in return.

I probably one of the top 3 most well read and analytical Hawks fans on here. Your assessments are completely off on the value of strome and your proposal is not realistic as such. You can accept that from someone who knows all the advanced stats on Strome, watches every single game, understands his strengths and weaknesses I promise better then you do, or you can continue to argue incorrectly such as the amount of playing time with Kane or claiming Strome had one good season in his career when factually he had 2 very good seasons ever since coming to Chicago after being mismanaged by Arizona. Bottom line is he was the #3 pick OA, his development is back on track with a team that knows how to develop players, and there isn't a chance Chicago trades him to move up 7 spots from #17. Plenty of teams will give up a 1st round pick for Strome, hysterical you would argue they wouldn't and can promise the Hawks would never trade him for a first alone unless it's a top 20 pick. Furthermore, the Hawks are well aware of offer sheets and can match anything up to $4.3M and beyond that will simply take the 1st and 3rd round offer sheet requirement.

Wow, you are full of yourself....I watch every single Jets and Hawks game....I started playing hockey when I was 3 and played at a high level before moving to Chicago before college (from Winnipeg). Strome has a negative Corsi, and negative Fenwick and barely over 100 PDO, while starting 57% or more of his zone starts in the offensive zone. Yes Lundell is a better 2 way player than Strome, simply because Strome ISN"T a 2-way player. Here are some of the quotes from people who actually get paid to write and scout hockey, "Lundell has the makings of an excellent top-six center at the NHL level", "He pushes possession extremely well and should be a valuable NHLer for years, if not on boxes of cereal across the league.", his comparables are at a low end, Travis Zajac (Strome hasn't shown to be as good as him yet), and at a high-end Bergeron and Toews himself. That you consider yourself one of the most analytical people on here, yet don't know how bad Strome's advanced stats are is historical.
Historically the Hawks haven't used buyouts, and to think the Hawks will now is pure and utter ignorance. The Cap is a huge problem and will continue to be a problem, and an even bigger problem with dead money this year and potentially the next 4 years.
BTW, Strome season was cut short because of injury, he played in only 82% of the Hawks games. At best he would have played in 70 games this year, which means he would have ended the season at around 46 points....yes, he's a 2nd line center on most teams except he is defensively deficient who doesn't possess the puck enough to make up for those liabilities. I clearly don't dislike him, or I wouldn't want him on the Jets...but you are clearly over-valuing him and overstating your position and legendary status. Get over-yourself, did you really think you can win an argument on here by simply raising yourself up to legendary status on here? Haha, that is hilarious...Wait everyone...the legend himself has spoken...argument over....hahaha

You do realize a lot of us on here played hockey at a very high level right? You do realize there are quite a few former pros on here including former NHL players; I know of 2 NHL players personally. I think you need to pipe down about your playing resume as such, you never know who you're talking and making statements like "I STARTED PLAYING HOCKEY WHEN I WAS 3" are pretty lauhgable.

Go read The Athletic, if you don't have a subscription then you're really missing out. Bottom line, a NHL scout is quoted this morning as saying Lundell may be a bust and at best sees him as a 4C. "I just see his game translating to the NHL. He's a third line center, maybe 4th line center to me. I just don't see the speed or skill in his game". That's a NHL scout, not a writer. I don't agree with the analysis, but I think his ceiling is a 2C and floor 3C. Sure he looks to be better defensively then Strome, not saying much btw, but offensively not even close plus while Strome is not fast, Lundell is getting hammered by most Scout opinions and writers about his lack of speed...kind of a problem before being drafted.

Plenty of GMs and Scouts would pass on taking a risk on a player like Lundell versus a proven 2C in Strome; that's just a fact. It's called "bird in hand" versus gambling. Fans, including what you're doing here, are overrating draft picks. 1st round draft picks, factually, have a 33% chance of becoming a fulltime NHL player.

You are wrong on buyouts; watch instead of calling me ignorant. Circle back on this thread in a month. IF they don't buyout Smith or Maatta, it's because they were able to trade them, but THEY WILL NOT keep Smith on the roster.

BTW, Strome's season was cut short by a minor injury BUT ALSO over a week with a bad flu. When you eveluated a player that misses some games for minor injuries, being sick or family related issues, you prorate his production. If the player is injury prone or had a major injury it's a different story. Again, this is common to prorate product and why PPG and GPG against ATOI is the common measuring stick.

Drop the insults, name calling, the condescending remarks, etc. It's immature and only weakens your position especially given you're starting from a point of weakness on our trade idea here as evident by the lack of any Chicago users on here taking this serious enough to even respond. Given your tone in your responses, I'm sorry I did and should've just ignored it.

Hold on a second here big shoots, I am not the one who started with the comparing of hockey brainpans, you did....you gave yourself the title of top 3 analysts on this forum. Facts - Strome has never played a full season in the NHL....EVER. I see you have 0 "advanced stat" facts to back up your claim on Strome or you would have listed them. It's fine to claim my trade proposal is bad, I have no problem with that. I have a problem with someone saying Strome is worth a top 20 pick in a draft, simply because he was a 3rd OA....who the heck cares...he hasn't played like a 1st rounder (and the receiving team has to pay him at least 3.5 million or more on a long term contract). The Chicago coaches acknowledge his short comings by playing him at huge rates solely in the offensive zone....and for that, we get about 2nd C results....guess what....for that much offensive zone time we should expect more.....but yeah, let's come back to this in a month when the Hawks haven't bought anyone out, and see what the Hawks have to give up in order to trade Smith.....let's remember what the Hawks had to give up to trade Bickell.....As for Lundell, you have exactly 1 scout from the Atlantic claiming he isn't going to be good....everyone reading this, please google "Lundell scouting report", and read up all his reviews...it'll be easy to see who has this right. Good luck big shoots...

Seriously, stop the name calling. There are rules on the forums here and heavily enforced to keep this for adults to have healthy discussions and healthy debates which doesn't involve name calling. You may not agree with me and clearly i don't with your viewpoint, but in life in general when you resort to name calling it shows 1) immaturity and 2) weakness in your position; this is debate 101 stuff.

Ask all the Hawks fans on here, and there are 3 of us who are known to be the most knowledgeable about this team, that is what I said not the entire AGM forum so take it down a notch please.

Strome played 78 games last season at the age of 21. He missed 4 games when he was with AZ last season but played 100% of the games when he was a Blackhawk. Prior to last season, Arizona didn't play him a lot and mismanaged his development (AZ is known to do that) as evident of the success he's had since getting traded. The first injury he faced was this season and it was a week and a 1/2. Later he missed another week due to the flu. Strome does not have a injury history and one minor isolated incident does not take away from his value. Google is your friend.

In the last 2 seasons at the age of 21 and 22, he's put up .70ppg...that's pretty damn good and certainly worth a 1st round pick for a 2C, RFA who recently turned 23. A good comparison, for two similar centers potentially on the market is Cerelli and Domi. In the last two seasons...Cirelli = .55ppg (same age), Domi = .75ppg (age 25)

Your knocks against Strome starting in the offensive zone is a weak debate. Some of the greatest players in the league, make most of their starts in the offensive zone. Kane, Matthews, Marner, Laine, McDavid, etc. What's your point? The guy is a offensive player just like many big time guys who put up a ton of points. It's not a secret Strome is not very good defensively, it's like you pretend you just found the secret to how the earth was made. Good Lord guy

As for Lundell, The Athletic featured an article this morning on the most polarizing draft picks in the 1st round and featured ONLY 2 scout comments for each player; 1 scout high on the player and 1 scout low on the player. You should spend the $12 a year for some good insights into hockey and especially what the 2 most respected Hawks analysts have to say about the Hawks fans, buyouts and value of trades. Lundell has a 2C ceiling and a 3C floor, in other words low risk gamble despite what the scout in The Athletic said. Lundell is a defensive first player and doesn't have a lot of offense to his game despite a great wrister. He's not a very fast skater either. Those are the knocks against Lundell which is why he easily can be a 3C. If he can improve his speed and put together more offense then he'll be a 2C. It's a gamble either way you look at Lundell if what you absolutely need is a 2C. Why do you think so many Jets fans on here are trying to acquire Strome or Cerelli when it's pretty obvious lundell will be available at the #10 spot? Maybe because they realize, despite being the most NHL ready player in the top 12 of the draft, he has quite a bit of work if he's going to be a 3C.

You're the only person, professional analysts included, I've heard say the Hawks won't buy out Smith and move big assets to trade him. Maybe you're right or maybe you're an audience of one arguing something you're completely wrong on; time will tell. Bottom line, the Hawks are cornered on the cap nearly as much as you are trying to make it sound.

We'll gladly keep Strome, not trade him to move up 7 spots in the draft, and throw a 1 year qualifying offer at him or a 2 year $3.5M deal. If a team offer sheets him, Hawks match up to $4.3M at which point the Hawks gladly take a first and 3rd and move on.

Have a nice day.

Big shoots isn't name-calling....go watch Letterkenny if you are a hockey fan, you'll like it. I think we've killed this topic. We'll agree to disagree and come back here in a month just for bragging rights....

Just out of curiosity, would you be okay with the trade if the Jets threw in Raslovic? He's a former 1st rounder as well. Just thinking that 3rd line could really grow into something with Suter, Nylander, and Raslovic.

Thought I would come back to the thread, I forgot about it but was trying to figure out what the Hawks are going to do with Strome and it popped in my head.....I just read an article that states Lundell may have had one of the best seasons of anyone not in the NHL. The Hawks never bought out Smith (as I rightly predicted).
As for Strome, there isn't a team in the league that would trade a 1st for him now....and I don't think any team would trade a 2nd for him unless the Hawks retain salary. That trade with Winnipeg would have at least resulted in a great future in goal for the Hawks, I'm not sold on Lankinen and clearly, neither are the Hawks with today's events...
Reading through this thread, I may have gone a bit too far....sorry for any name calling, ChiHawk.