The underrated Toews

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Created by: Anus_McLeod

Team: 2020-21 Colorado Avalanche

Initial Creation Date: Sep. 18, 2020

Published: Sep. 23, 2020

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

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It's not likely to happen, but figured I'd throw it out there anyway. With Barzal and Pulock, is it possible the Isles just have to throw their hands in the air and let Toews go in such a scenario? They could probably make it work, but the question is would it be worth it.

This doesn't even have to be Colorado specific. Just wondering if folks think Toews can be had via os. He's worth a second and decent money.

Free Agent Signings

RFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Burakovsky, André	4	$4,850,000
Jost, Tyson	3	$1,650,000
Nichushkin, Valeri	3	$2,000,000
O'Connor, Logan	2	$850,000
Zboril, Jakub	2	$900,000
Toews, Devon	2	$4,200,000
Zadorov, Nikita	3	$3,200,000

UFA		YEARS	CAP HIT
Hall, Taylor		3	$7,500,000

Offer Sheets

Offer sheet annual average (AAV) is calculated by dividing the contract value by the lower of: 1. The contract length, or 2. Five years

PLAYER	AAV	COMPENSATION
Toews, Devon	$4,200,000	2021 2nd round pick

Trades

COL

Priskie, Chase
2020 3rd round pick (COL)

FLA

Donskoi, Joonas

COL

Zboril, Jakub [RFA Rights]

Additional Details:

Mixed feelings among Boston fans on this one, but I think it works and am sticking with it.

BOS

Cole, Ian ($2,000,000 retained)

COL

2020 2nd round pick (EDM)
2020 3rd round pick (DET)

DET

Graves, Ryan [RFA Rights]

Retained Salary Transactions

Ian Cole: $2,000,000 (57.97%)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2020
2021
2022

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
22	$81,500,000	$79,701,428	$0	$2,520,000	$1,798,572

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Landeskog, Gabriel $5,571,429$5,571,429 LW, C M-NTC UFA - 1	MacKinnon, Nathan $6,300,000$6,300,000 C M-NTC UFA - 3	Rantanen, Mikko $9,250,000$9,250,000 RW, C UFA - 5
Hall, Taylor $7,500,000$7,500,000 LW UFA - 1	Kadri, Nazem $4,500,000$4,500,000 C M-NTC UFA - 2	Burakovsky, André $4,850,000$4,850,000 RW, LW UFA - 2
Nichushkin, Valeri $2,000,000$2,000,000 RW, LW UFA - 2	Jost, Tyson $1,650,000$1,650,000 C UFA - 1	Compher, J.T. $3,500,000$3,500,000 C, RW UFA - 3
Calvert, Matt $2,850,000$2,850,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Bellemare, Pierre-Édouard $1,800,000$1,800,000 C, LW UFA - 1	O'Connor, Logan $850,000$850,000 RW, LW UFA - 2

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Toews, Devon $4,200,000$4,200,000 LD UFA - 4	Makar, Cale $880,833$880,833 ($2,500,000$2M) RD UFA - 1	Grubauer, Philipp $3,333,333$3,333,333 G UFA - 1
Girard, Samuel $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD/RD UFA - 7	Johnson, Erik $6,000,000$6,000,000 RD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 3	Francouz, Pavel $2,000,000$2,000,000 G UFA - 2
	Timmins, Conor $925,000$925,000 RD RFA - 1
Zadorov, Nikita $3,200,000$3,200,000 LD/RD UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Henry, Nicholas $798,333$798,333 ($20,000$20K) RW UFA - 2		Byram, Bowen $894,167$894,167 ($2,500,000$2M) LD/RD RFA - 3
Lindholm, Anton $742,500$742,500 LD UFA - 1		Zboril, Jakub $900,000$900,000 LD/RD UFA - 2
		Priskie, Chase $925,000$925,000 ($850,000$850K) RD UFA - 1
		Bowers, Shane $925,000$925,000 ($150,000$150K) C RFA - 2
		Kaut, Martin $863,333$863,333 ($425,000$425K) RW RFA - 3
		Annunen, Justus $880,833$880,833 ($257,500$258K) G RFA - 3

Sep. 23, 2020 at 6:26 p.m.

#26

Isles777

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Quoting: linehan10

I think both get carried by the other equally. They both have their absolutely disgusting moments

Mayfield is one of the worst puck movers in the NHL, he struggles to evade pressure , and he’s not physical for a guy who’s 6’5. Toews is the best puck moving D on the isles and it’s not close. He’s not replaceable

Sep. 23, 2020 at 6:26 p.m.

#27

buffbry

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Quoting: villenash

Is it because both picks are 2020 or that you feel he's being overvalued?

Regardless of value in the deal, I think Graves would actually be a very solid pickup for DET -- Graves, Seider, Hronek, Cholowski is the start of a young and potentially very good defensive core. And then add one of Johansson or McIsaac if either of them pan out (or even Drysdale if they select him) and the DET defensive core looks solid for the future.

Yeah I don't what to give any picks up this year and I also think graves is good, but plays better on a stacked avs team and don't think his game would translate the same to the wings. Would rather have zadarov similar type of player. I'd give up wash 2nd this year and Vegas 3rd in 2021.

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Sep. 23, 2020 at 6:29 p.m.

#28

eatfreshrefresh

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Quoting: Isles777

When toews isn’t clicking, he’s horrendous. When he is, he looks like the best defenseman on the team. He just looks terrified of making a mistake and thus makes mistakes

Sep. 23, 2020 at 6:33 p.m.

#29

Isles777

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Quoting: linehan10

When toews isn’t clicking, he’s horrendous. When he is, he looks like the best defenseman on the team. He just looks terrified of making a mistake and thus makes mistakes

Toews wasn’t good during this playoff run, but he’s a core piece and like I said, not replaceable. He had a good regular season for the most part and he was a big reason why the isles were even able to stay in the playoff hunt with pelech gone. He’s the isles best offensive defenseman is his defensive impact isn’t far behind pelech

Sep. 23, 2020 at 6:34 p.m.

#30

eatfreshrefresh

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Quoting: Isles777

I’m gonna have to disagree with that part about his defensive impact being just less than Pelech‘s and probably the part about his replaceability but he’s definitely a guy worth keeping around which is why they’ll match that sheet

Sep. 23, 2020 at 6:38 p.m.

#31

Meeqs

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Quoting: Anus_McLeod

They were looking at Hjalmarsson. Toews would be a short term play as well. He'd go to Seattle or walk after a couple years. Well worth a 2nd (imo).

I don't think you move for a guy as good as Toews and then plan to lose him, thats just bad asset management.

At least with HJ he is only signed for 1 more year

Sep. 23, 2020 at 6:42 p.m.

#32

Isles777

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Quoting: linehan10

What pelech does is more noticeable to the causal fans eye, but toews hockey IQ in the defensive zone is great - he doesn’t get get enough credit For how solid he is defensively. His gap control is borderline elite and he does a great job keeping forwards to the outside.

Leddy has to go even if toews is traded, so which two D would be on the 2nd pairing?

Sep. 23, 2020 at 7:04 p.m.

#33

Anus_McLeod

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Quoting: Meeqs

I don't think you move for a guy as good as Toews and then plan to lose him, thats just bad asset management.

At least with HJ he is only signed for 1 more year

I would argue that paying less in both trade compensation and AAV for a better player is actually good asset management. Not to mention that losing Toews means Compher or whoever else would have gone to Seattle no longer does. It's a straight win.

Sep. 23, 2020 at 7:23 p.m.

#34

Meeqs

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Quoting: Anus_McLeod

Hj would certainly be cheaper and term is all that matters.

Also the Avs WANT SEA to take Compher to clear his contract off the books

Sep. 23, 2020 at 7:34 p.m.

#35

Anus_McLeod

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Quoting: Meeqs

Hj would certainly be cheaper and term is all that matters.

Also the Avs WANT SEA to take Compher to clear his contract off the books

I doubt he'd be much cheaper (if at all). I actually bet he'd cost at least a 2nd.

Compher still has value too. If the team wants his contract off the books then they can trade him. Lots of teams will want to plug a hole after Seattle raids their roster. Saying the Avs want Seattle to take JT is mostly because it's the best outcome. What if it isn't though...

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