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Created by: CaptJosef
Team: 2020-21 Philadelphia Flyers
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 24, 2020
Published: Sep. 24, 2020
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Description
I don't think any of these moves are earth shattering. It's mostly about freeing up some wing spots for younger prospects. If Patrick can't go then Frost gets his spot. The Laughton trade allows the flyers to potentially move up a few spots in the draft by being able to package an decent extra second round pick into a deal.

Grant and Pitlick could be swapped for any cheap free agent really. Potentially saving a few more precious cap dollars.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$2,400,000
1$1,150,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$1,000,000
2$1,000,000
2$800,000
Trades
1.
PHI
  1. Subban, P.K. ($1,500,000 retained)
Additional Details:
The cap retention means that as JVR has an extra year, when Subbans deal has expired the Devils are only paying JVR $5.5m in cap space.
NJD
  1. van Riemsdyk, James ($1,500,000 retained)
  2. 2020 4th round pick (PHI)
2.
PHI
  1. 2020 2nd round pick (DET)
  2. 2021 4th round pick (DET)
Buyouts
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2020
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2021
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Logo of the PHI
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Logo of the DET
Logo of the PHI
Logo of the PHI
2022
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$71,242,465$66,037$602,500$10,257,535
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
LW
UFA - 3
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$4,333,333$4,333,333
C
UFA - 2
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 5
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$500,000$500K)
LW, RW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$3,571,429$3,571,429
C
NMC
UFA - 6
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$8,250,000$8,250,000
RW, LW
UFA - 4
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$1,150,000$1,150,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$1,075,000$1,075,000
RW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$4,137,500$4,137,500
RW, C
NMC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$925,000$925,000
RW
RFA - 2
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$1,200,000$1,200,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$800,000$800,000
LW, C
UFA - 3
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$4,725,000$4,725,000
LD
UFA - 5
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$5,750,000$5,750,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$730,833$730,833 (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
G
RFA - 1
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$3,250,000$3,250,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the New Jersey Devils
$7,500,000$7,500,000
RD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$4,500,000$4,500,000
LD/RD
UFA - 3
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$2,400,000$2,400,000
RD
UFA - 3
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$1,000,000$1,000,000
G
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$700,000$700,000
LD, LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$1,000,000$1,000,000
RW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$736,666$736,666 (Performance Bonus$20,000$20K)
C, LW
UFA - 1

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Sep. 24, 2020 at 8:24 a.m.
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Detroit declines. That's basically a late 1st rd pick and Laughton is good but with no 20 or even a 15 goal season it just doesn't make sense for Detroit. Hagg is some where between a 4 and a 6 I'd give up a late 3rd for him but that is about it.
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Sep. 24, 2020 at 9:16 a.m.
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No chance wings part with 32 for bottom 6 guys. Trade declined
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Sep. 24, 2020 at 9:54 a.m.
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Devils accept. Subban would fit well with less pressure on him.
And NJ gets a good jersey boy in JVR.
Sep. 24, 2020 at 10:41 a.m.
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Quoting: NJDevilsFa89
Devils accept. Subban would fit well with less pressure on him.
And NJ gets a good jersey boy in JVR.


If what Subban needs is less pressure he should NOT go to Philly
Sep. 24, 2020 at 10:49 a.m.
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If what Subban needs is less pressure he should NOT go to Philly


He can handle the pressure of big markets (aka thrived in Montreal). He just shouldn't be your #1, #2, and #3 defenceman like he was in NJD given our skeleton of a D core haha
Sep. 24, 2020 at 11:32 a.m.
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Cannot retain cap on both sides of a trade...it is cap circumvention. League would not approve deal.
Sep. 24, 2020 at 5:14 p.m.
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Quoting: aedoran
Detroit declines. That's basically a late 1st rd pick and Laughton is good but with no 20 or even a 15 goal season it just doesn't make sense for Detroit. Hagg is some where between a 4 and a 6 I'd give up a late 3rd for him but that is about it.


I get what you're saying but at the same time the value of picks usually flattens out around the 20 mark if I recall correctly so I guess it depends. A late first round to late second round don't change your chances a a great player much.

Laughton was also on pace for a 20 goal 45 point season in addition to the 9 points in 15 playoff games he put up. It was something of a breakout season as a middle 6 player who played wing and centre at various times.
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Sep. 24, 2020 at 5:16 p.m.
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Cannot retain cap on both sides of a trade...it is cap circumvention. League would not approve deal.


I've never heard of that before, it's not circumventing any cap, everyone is still paid the same it's just that in year 3 the Flyers are still retaining on JVR and Subban is a free agent.
Sep. 24, 2020 at 6:24 p.m.
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I get what you're saying but at the same time the value of picks usually flattens out around the 20 mark if I recall correctly so I guess it depends. A late first round to late second round don't change your chances a a great player much.

Laughton was also on pace for a 20 goal 45 point season in addition to the 9 points in 15 playoff games he put up. It was something of a breakout season as a middle 6 player who played wing and centre at various times.


I do understand what you are saying but they are still players from the bottom half of your roster and I'm sorry but they aren't worth the 32nd pick of the draft. Take a look at some of the Toronto ACGMs where there are trades with the Wings, They keep trying to jam Kerfoot down Detroit and expecting a 2nd in return and honestly I doubt I'd give up a 3rd for Kerfoot. Laughton was on pace for almost 16 goals and 32 points. While Laughton had only played 49 games before the shut down but Philly had played 69 games,
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Sep. 24, 2020 at 7:46 p.m.
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I've never heard of that before, it's not circumventing any cap, everyone is still paid the same it's just that in year 3 the Flyers are still retaining on JVR and Subban is a free agent.


Subban $1.5 x 2 = $3 million
JvR $1.5 x 3 = 4.5 million

net = $1.5 million

It would be then PHI retaining $500k over three years (total $1.5 million) and NJD retaining 0.
Sep. 25, 2020 at 3:35 a.m.
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Subban $1.5 x 2 = $3 million
JvR $1.5 x 3 = 4.5 million

net = $1.5 million

It would be then PHI retaining $500k over three years (total $1.5 million) and NJD retaining 0.


But that's just salary retention... There's no circumventing of the cap going on, both contracts are getting paid in full the Flyers are just retaining for longer. It means, in essence, the cap hits are the same for the first two years (the retained salaries cancel each other out) but the Flyers retain $1.5M in year three.

Eg:
Year one of the trade: Flyers retain 1.5 (JVR) but also receive 1.5 'discount' on Subban. Net cap change = 0

Year two: as above.

Year three: Subban's contract has expired so the Devils are no long retaining on it. JVR has 1 year left so the Flyers are still retaining $1.5m on that contract. Net cap change = a 1 year 1.5m cost to the Flyers or saving to New Jersey depending on whose books you're looking at.
Sep. 25, 2020 at 4:02 a.m.
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But that's just salary retention... There's no circumventing of the cap going on, both contracts are getting paid in full the Flyers are just retaining for longer. It means, in essence, the cap hits are the same for the first two years (the retained salaries cancel each other out) but the Flyers retain $1.5M in year three.

Eg:
Year one of the trade: Flyers retain 1.5 (JVR) but also receive 1.5 'discount' on Subban. Net cap change = 0

Year two: as above.

Year three: Subban's contract has expired so the Devils are no long retaining on it. JVR has 1 year left so the Flyers are still retaining $1.5m on that contract. Net cap change = a 1 year 1.5m cost to the Flyers or saving to New Jersey depending on whose books you're looking at.


I understand - I just don't think that is how league views it
 
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