Sign and trades aren't a real thing in the NHL. If St. Louis wanted to, they could renege on the "trade" part of the sign-and-trade and keep Pietrangelo after he signs the deal.

I think Pietrangelo's camp would prefer to just let the clock run out on his existing deal so they could negotiate directly with Toronto instead of trying to go through a middle man. Then the Leafs would have to compete on the open market for his services. True, they couldn't offer him the 8th year, but the demand for his services would significantly up his bargaining power.

I don't see anything like this happening.

I love when people say what WILL happen or what a GM WILL do or PLANS to do.

Instead of I think such and such will happen.

Where the heck is this confidence coming from

Gotta agree with you here and your position on this in this thread. I like how this would be able to keep his AAV lower with being able to sign him that extra year, if St. Louis would throw in Barbashev to help with us dealing kerfoot or another depth player. I think this is a brainer. Saving 1 mill+ on the AAV on our cap strapped team is arguably more valuable than a mid first round pick. I like this proposal.

To be honest I really don't either. See my title. Lol

Was just curious to go through the exercise.

It only really makes sense if he just wants the Leafs.

If it does Dubas should be fired, simple as that.

How about we just sign Pietrangelo in Free Agency once he walks. We all know that is the better choice and its almost confirmed at this point

This isn't how signing a deal for 8 years works which would be the only point of a sign and trade.

The only team that can sign that is the team that has him on the roster the day after the trade deadline

i see

I liked this as the response to the original poster.

I really hope the Leafs don't do this.

Modified NMC can be traded to Toronto. Done.

Who do you have to fill that role? Not arguing curious. Trade here is mid 4th plus kerfoot for mid second. I'd argue that's equivalent to an early third.

Ie an early third and a mid fourth gets you a mid second

(Like 65 + 100 gets you 45)

Again the value would be in saving 1 million on the cap and getting a decent cheap 3c.

Not saying it's a great deal but was just curious what it would look like

Sorry, the mid 2nd is too valuable to give up and Kerfoot is not that good. Additionally, there are free agents available.

We have Suter and Kurashev plus Shaw can play the 3C.

You are trying to dump cap to make space and teams know that. Nobody would give up a 2nd rounder especially knowing that for a player that isn't all that productive.

Everyone thinks we are "dumping" Dermott and Johnsson for cap purposes. They see zero value in young, promising players who have already proven they can play top 4/top 6 minutes on reasonable deals.

It's hard to imagine both don't fetch at least a 2nd.

Kerfoot is a little different as, like the Leafs, most teams may not be keen to add $3.5m to their third line. He wouldn't be a cap dump, but I wouldn't anticipate fair value coming back for him either.

I know there's a thousand + threads already on this...but I like a scenario where we send a 1st ++ and acquire Parayko so that AP can re-sign in St. Louis. I'd be ecstatic with either...but prefer the age/cap hit of Parayko and his defensive style

I dislike his only having two years left. But I see your point

Well said. Dermott was drafted in the 2nd round he's young he'll be cheap and he has potential. I don't understand why fans of other teams undervalue him any team would be lucky to get a player like Dermott in the 2nd round or they can keep their pick and hope whoever they draft actually makes it to the nhl.

They think their opinion actually carries weight and because they say something it's true. I get it's ACGM but I think they're forgetting the armchair part lol

If a leaf fan would have posted the Kapanen to Pittsburgh deal before it happened they would have been told they/all leaf fans are delusional. That's why I prefer to wait and see what happens IRL.

It wouldn't be a sign n trade we would trade for his rights to sign him but this ACGM is interesting. That being said we shouldn't sign AP as it will only add to our cap nightmares plus if the whole point of signing him is to get Rielly a partner we won't be able to pay MO in 2 years unless we are moving out Nylander. I think the hope is Sandin takes the next step by then and him and Muzzin take on bigger rolls on the left side but who knows that's just my opinion.

I think the reason for the stubbornness from the Blues' side of the Petro negotiations is because they like Parayko's age, cap hit, style of play, etc more too; in effect, they're not afraid to play chicken with Petro so the only way I can see Parayko getting plucked is with a massive package - Sandin / Robertson / picks - and even then, they may not want to meet Petro's demands so I really can't picture it working out for either side.



I don't know why so many people on this site act like Dermott, Kerfoot, Johnsson have zero value. I guess just because they'd be the pieces that the Leafs would have to move out for a big money signing, but tossing away a single draft pick outside the top-40 and getting a useful, relatively young player seems like a no-brainer to a lot of teams. IMO Leafs are accepting the L in those type of trades but netting an overall improvement. Just more evidence that draft picks are overrated I guess.

No one wants to be seen as helping the big, bad leafs out of a cap crunch. Actual GM's aren't stupid tho...they know how infrequently they hit on 2nd round picks and the value of young 20 year olds that can already play top minutes. Again...I'm not expecting a haul for either...but they certainly have trade value around or better than a 2nd round pick.

@A_K as always, you are a gem. Insights are always on point. I respect the Blues for wanting to go with Parayko over Pietrangelo. It's tough to let your captain walk away, especially so soon after he's delivered a cup....but he's not worth an expensive 8yr deal and they're wise to avoid it...especially with the players they have to step up and take his minutes.

Leafs are likely desperate enough to overpay for a guy who they hope can give 4-5 solid years and deal with the consequences on the final years of the deal. I'm desperate enough to let them.

Nobody understands a market. Yes team a can say I won't give you more than a 5th because you need to make this trade. Then team b goes wow this guys is worth a high 2nd. I'll give you a 3rd. Still better than his value. Etc etc and you likely lose some value for loss of leverage but as long as there are a few interested teams you can get decent value