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I really dont see this happening but a sign and trade

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Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 25, 2020
Published: Sep. 25, 2020
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Just curious what one would look like.

Apparently (who knows if its true) the hang up in St Louis isn't the AAV but not doing the contract with ++signing bonuses and trade protection. Obviously the Leafs would do signing bonuses, and hopefully they could offer him enough trade protection.

In this hypothetical situation he would have no signing bonus the first year (as St Louis would have to pay it), then have the majority of his contract after the first year be signing bonuses.

Maybe NMC for 3 years, the modified NTC for like blocking 20 teams or something hopefully for the last 5. Makes him still tradeable but he has a fair bit of control.

I signed him for roughly the equivalent of 9 mil for 7 years (63 million), this contract is 62 million over 8, but he can get it in signing bonuses which makes it relatively buyout proof and up front.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$700,000
1$1,350,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
8$7,750,000
1$700,000
1$1,000,000
1$800,000
Trades
1.
TOR
  1. Barbashev, Ivan
  2. 2020 3rd round pick (STL)
STL
  1. 2020 1st round pick (PIT)
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Apparently they want a first for a sign and trade, I wouldn't do that alone, but getting a guy like Barbashev back would let them trade Kerfoot, so I'd do the first then if it will also let us save on the AAV by doing 8 years for Pietro
2.
TOR
  1. 2020 2nd round pick (PIT)
CHI
  1. Kerfoot, Alexander
  2. 2020 4th round pick (TOR)
Additional Details:
Assuming they trade Strome, if they don't they would not have interest in this
3.
TOR
  1. 2020 2nd round pick (VGK)
LAK
  1. Johnsson, Andreas
  2. 2020 4th round pick (VGK)
Additional Details:
We seem to trade with LA a lot, they could use some veterans and increased scoring. Frankly I suspect they aren't ready to make this trade, they would do it in two-three years, but could be anyone
4.
TOR
  1. 2020 3rd round pick (COL)
5.
TOR
  1. 2020 2nd round pick (SJS)
SJS
  1. Dermott, Travis [RFA Rights]
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2020
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2021
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2022
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22$81,500,000$81,271,450$0$0$228,550
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$2,250,000$2,250,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$11,640,250$11,640,250
C
UFA - 4
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$10,903,000$10,903,000
RW
UFA - 5
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$1,350,000$1,350,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$11,000,000$11,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 5
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$6,962,366$6,962,366
RW
UFA - 4
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$821,667$821,667
LW, RW
RFA - 4
$1,000,000$1,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
$800,000$800,000
LW, C
UFA
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$1,475,000$1,475,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$700,000$700,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
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$5,625,000$5,625,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 4
$7,750,000$7,750,000
RD
UFA - 7
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$1,650,000$1,650,000
G
UFA - 2
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$894,167$894,167
LD
UFA - 2
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$925,000$925,000
LD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$700,000$700,000
C
UFA - 1
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$700,000$700,000
LD
UFA - 1

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Sep. 25, 2020 at 6:16 p.m.
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Quoting: Sign_em_up000000
It wouldn't be a sign n trade we would trade for his rights to sign him but this ACGM is interesting. That being said we shouldn't sign AP as it will only add to our cap nightmares plus if the whole point of signing him is to get Rielly a partner we won't be able to pay MO in 2 years unless we are moving out Nylander. I think the hope is Sandin takes the next step by then and him and Muzzin take on bigger rolls on the left side but who knows that's just my opinion.


I would think the idea would be to move Holl and his 2 million give that to Rielly so Rielly is at 7ish and run the under million each bottom pair
Sep. 25, 2020 at 6:56 p.m.
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Quoting: A_K
I think the reason for the stubbornness from the Blues' side of the Petro negotiations is because they like Parayko's age, cap hit, style of play, etc more too; in effect, they're not afraid to play chicken with Petro so the only way I can see Parayko getting plucked is with a massive package - Sandin / Robertson / picks - and even then, they may not want to meet Petro's demands so I really can't picture it working out for either side.



I don't know why so many people on this site act like Dermott, Kerfoot, Johnsson have zero value. I guess just because they'd be the pieces that the Leafs would have to move out for a big money signing, but tossing away a single draft pick outside the top-40 and getting a useful, relatively young player seems like a no-brainer to a lot of teams. IMO Leafs are accepting the L in those type of trades but netting an overall improvement. Just more evidence that draft picks are overrated I guess.


Spot on, however I can't see Dermott getting more than $1.5 mill for a year or two so he should still be affordable for us. I think most leaf fans move him out to sign someone cheaper but I don't think he'll cost that much. I don't expect a haul for any of them but you're right a mid to late second isn't delusional by any means IMO.
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Sep. 25, 2020 at 6:57 p.m.
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Quoting: Juice
No one wants to be seen as helping the big, bad leafs out of a cap crunch. Actual GM's aren't stupid tho...they know how infrequently they hit on 2nd round picks and the value of young 20 year olds that can already play top minutes. Again...I'm not expecting a haul for either...but they certainly have trade value around or better than a 2nd round pick.


Absolutely, I couldn't agree more. Well said
Sep. 25, 2020 at 7:06 p.m.
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Quoting: Boomer125
I would think the idea would be to move Holl and his 2 million give that to Rielly so Rielly is at 7ish and run the under million each bottom pair


What makes you think he'll sign for that? He could most certainly get more on the open market and he already took a very team-friendly deal last time around. Maybe he'd take that kinda money but I wouldn't bank on it plus he's not the only player needing a raise in two years and as of right now Hyman and potentially Anderson will need new contracts and we don't know how long Mikheyev n Dermott will be signed for assuming they aren't traded either. My point is there's a real possibility we can't afford Rielly in 2 years and would need Sandin to take a big step forward. Like I said before this is just my opinion.
Sep. 25, 2020 at 7:09 p.m.
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Quoting: Juice
@A_K as always, you are a gem. Insights are always on point. I respect the Blues for wanting to go with Parayko over Pietrangelo. It's tough to let your captain walk away, especially so soon after he's delivered a cup....but he's not worth an expensive 8yr deal and they're wise to avoid it...especially with the players they have to step up and take his minutes.

Leafs are likely desperate enough to overpay for a guy who they hope can give 4-5 solid years and deal with the consequences on the final years of the deal. I'm desperate enough to let them.


He certainly is insightful and always takes a neutral approach to conversations no matter the team/player(s) involved.
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Sep. 25, 2020 at 9:44 p.m.
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Quoting: Sign_em_up000000
Spot on, however I can't see Dermott getting more than $1.5 mill for a year or two so he should still be affordable for us. I think most leaf fans move him out to sign someone cheaper but I don't think he'll cost that much. I don't expect a haul for any of them but you're right a mid to late second isn't delusional by any means IMO.


I tend to trade him because I:
a) believe he's a desirable asset for any team with a need on LD
b) I'd be ok with Morgan, Muzz and Sandin on the left and not forcing Dermott onto his off side

Happy if they keep him and he transitions to the right side, tho.
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Sep. 26, 2020 at 9:20 a.m.
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Quoting: Juice
I tend to trade him because I:
a) believe he's a desirable asset for any team with a need on LD
b) I'd be ok with Morgan, Muzz and Sandin on the left and not forcing Dermott onto his off side

Happy if they keep him and he transitions to the right side, tho.


There's some very logical leaf fans you being one that I wasn't lumping in with the rest but most don't give much thought to the trades they are doing they only think we could trade Dermott and save a couple hundred k and bring in a worst but cheaper d to replace him with I'm fine of they move him but like you I'm also fine if they keep him and I wouldn't trade him for pennies on the dollar just to save a little bit of money
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