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Trading Nylander

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Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 25, 2020
Published: Sep. 25, 2020
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Sep. 25, 2020 at 2:30 p.m.
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nope, that dont get you Nylander
Sep. 25, 2020 at 2:35 p.m.
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
nope, that dont get you Nylander


Add more then
I'd take that deal if I'm Dubas
Future LW, 1st in a deep draft, 3C with upside and a dose of toughness while opening up cap space to sign a top 4 RD..... yip, sounds good to me.
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Sep. 25, 2020 at 2:50 p.m.
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I'd take that deal if I'm Dubas
Future LW, 1st in a deep draft, 3C with upside and a dose of toughness while opening up cap space to sign a top 4 RD..... yip, sounds good to me.


How about this, take out the guy who peaks as a 3C who is terrible at defence, remove the old crappy 4th liner the leafs dont need. And then add add a top 4D and the leafs might look at it.
Cap space is not a value asset in a trade when the player you are trading is on a very good contract.
this trade sucks for toronto
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Sep. 25, 2020 at 2:58 p.m.
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How about this, take out the guy who peaks as a 3C who is terrible at defence, remove the old crappy 4th liner the leafs dont need. And then add add a top 4D and the leafs might look at it.
Cap space is not a value asset in a trade when the player you are trading is on a very good contract.
this trade sucks for toronto


How about this, leave in the 23 year old 3C that has 2C upside, leave in the 4th liner that would add an element of grit that the Leafs 100% DO need, and then pull the trigger because cap space is most certainly a valuable asset when your blueline is as terrible as the Leafs is.
This trade works in multiple ways for Toronto
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Sep. 25, 2020 at 3:01 p.m.
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How about this, leave in the 23 year old 3C that has 2C upside, leave in the 4th liner that would add an element of grit that the Leafs 100% DO need, and then pull the trigger because cap space is most certainly a valuable asset when your blueline is as terrible as the Leafs is.
This trade works in multiple ways for Toronto


Zacha has 2C upside? oh dear. and a crappy 4th liner who has GRITTTTTTTT!!! Yeah, no, this does nothing for the Leafs. late 1sts and ok prospects are nice but this is bad. It doesnt work for the Leafs because it doesnt help the Leafs. They are a worse team after this trade and the futures arnt worth it and if they are going to take out some of their current roster strictly for cap space for a ufa defender they'd be about a million times better just cutting out of the bottom 6.
The only team this works for is New Jersey, and fans of teams who want to see the leafs be bad
Sep. 25, 2020 at 3:08 p.m.
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Zacha has 2C upside? oh dear. and a crappy 4th liner who has GRITTTTTTTT!!! Yeah, no, this does nothing for the Leafs. late 1sts and ok prospects are nice but this is bad. It doesnt work for the Leafs because it doesnt help the Leafs. They are a worse team after this trade and the futures arnt worth it and if they are going to take out some of their current roster strictly for cap space for a ufa defender they'd be about a million times better just cutting out of the bottom 6.
The only team this works for is New Jersey, and fans of teams who want to see the leafs be bad


Yes, Zacha does have 2C upside
Because he's 23
He isn't done developing.
Saying Foote is an okay prospect is like saying Sandin is an okay prospect, you can say it but that doesn't make it true. Both are very good prospects.
18th overall is a mid 1st as well, not a late one.
Sep. 25, 2020 at 3:12 p.m.
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Yes, Zacha does have 2C upside
Because he's 23
He isn't done developing.
Saying Foote is an okay prospect is like saying Sandin is an okay prospect, you can say it but that doesn't make it true. Both are very good prospects.
18th overall is a mid 1st as well, not a late one.


If zacha has 2C upside then William Nylander has best RW in the league potential. Zacha has never remotly shown that he can be a top 60C in the league.
Foote is an ok prospect because he's ok, he's not bad, he's not fantastic. Sandin is a better than OK prospect because he's shown he can play in the NHL. And he's simply a good prospect. Foote proves he can do that, he gets to be a good prospect too!
And yes, the way prospects drop off after the top 10, the 18th over all is a late 1st. call it a later 1st if you want. Even a mid 1st is not enough to spice up a trade for Nylander, It's already been established that that's the kind of 1st you get as the main piece for Kapanen.
Sep. 25, 2020 at 3:25 p.m.
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Devils take that and run
Sep. 25, 2020 at 3:26 p.m.
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If zacha has 2C upside then William Nylander has best RW in the league potential. Zacha has never remotly shown that he can be a top 60C in the league.
Foote is an ok prospect because he's ok, he's not bad, he's not fantastic. Sandin is a better than OK prospect because he's shown he can play in the NHL. And he's simply a good prospect. Foote proves he can do that, he gets to be a good prospect too!
And yes, the way prospects drop off after the top 10, the 18th over all is a late 1st. call it a later 1st if you want. Even a mid 1st is not enough to spice up a trade for Nylander, It's already been established that that's the kind of 1st you get as the main piece for Kapanen.


A main piece for Kapanen
This is 1 of 3 solid pieces for Nylander (not including the cap space to afford a top 4 RD which could/should count as a 4th asset).
You're right, Nylander does have more potential, thats how it works for guys that are under 25.
Also, every draft is different. A mid-1st like #18 was worth more in 2015 than it was in, say, 2013, and everybody knew it leading up to the draft.
2020 is supposed to be a good draft so adding another mid 1st is a solid option as long as you don't throw it away ala Boston in '13.
Lastly, Zacha has 100% shown top 6 potential. His PPG have gone from 0.34, 0.36, 0.41 to 0.49 which is steady progression that sound result in a 50+ point forward in the near future. That coupled with the fact that he plays 2 minutes a night on the PK (which the Leafs and their 21st ranked PK desperately need help with), and can help the 2nd PP unit, means this kid has potential.
Sep. 25, 2020 at 3:48 p.m.
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
Cap space is not a value asset in a trade when the player you are trading is on a very good contract.


Narrator: Cap space has never been more valuable

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How about this, take out the guy who peaks as a 3C who is terrible at defence


Narrator: Zacha is a 3c now who is very good defensively

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Foote is an ok prospect because he's ok, he's not bad, he's not fantastic.


Narrator: Foote would immediately become Toronto's #1 prospect
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Sep. 25, 2020 at 3:53 p.m.
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I'd think NJD would hold off on this deal. Nylander is a good player, and if they were one wing away from making a run, it makes sense.
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Sep. 25, 2020 at 3:53 p.m.
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
Narrator: Cap space has never been more valuable



Narrator: Zacha is a 3c now who is very good defensively



Narrator: Foote would immediately become Toronto's #1 prospect


/sigh
Is cap space valuable? yes.
Is cap space more valuable than 1st line wingers on good contracts? No
Is Zacha a 3c? marginally
is Zacha good defensivly? god no, he's horrific, like terrible awful bad at evens and is decent on the PK
would Foote be the Leafs best prospect? No, depending on how you qualify prospects both Robertson and Sandin are easily better. And simply being "Team A's best prospect" does not denote specific value to a player. they are still worth what they are worth if they are the best or 10th best. Foote doesnt move the needle for Nylander
Sep. 25, 2020 at 4:12 p.m.
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
Is cap space valuable? yes.
Is cap space more valuable than 1st line wingers on good contracts? No


Is cap space a finite good? Yes
Is Toronto in need of such good? Yes
Are there suitable alternatives? No

Are offensive wingers a finite good? No
Is Toronto in need of such good? No
Are there suitable alternatives? Yes

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Is Zacha a 3c? marginally
is Zacha good defensivly? god no, he's horrific, like terrible awful bad at evens and is decent on the PK


Is this just flat out wrong? Yes

Quoting: JaredOfLondon
would Foote be the Leafs best prospect? No, depending on how you qualify prospects both Robertson and Sandin are easily better. And simply being "Team A's best prospect" does not denote specific value to a player. they are still worth what they are worth if they are the best or 10th best. Foote doesnt move the needle for Nylander


My correction - Foote would be #2 to Robertson, ahead of Sandin and the rest.
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Sep. 25, 2020 at 4:18 p.m.
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/sigh
Is cap space valuable? yes.
Is cap space more valuable than 1st line wingers on good contracts? No
Is Zacha a 3c? marginally
is Zacha good defensivly? god no, he's horrific, like terrible awful bad at evens and is decent on the PK
would Foote be the Leafs best prospect? No, depending on how you qualify prospects both Robertson and Sandin are easily better. And simply being "Team A's best prospect" does not denote specific value to a player. they are still worth what they are worth if they are the best or 10th best. Foote doesnt move the needle for Nylander


Not marginally. Kapanen, who we have established is worth a mid 1st and prospect had less TOI/GP, less PP TOI/GP, less SH TOI/GP, had a similar PPG, is 1 year older and is signed for nearly 1M more per season. He's a 3rd liner and, based on usage and stats, is a less trusted one than Zacha that plays a position of less importance.
Sep. 25, 2020 at 4:25 p.m.
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Is cap space a finite good? Yes
Is Toronto in need of such good? Yes
Are there suitable alternatives? No

Are offensive wingers a finite good? No
Is Toronto in need of such good? No
Are there suitable alternatives? Yes



Is this just flat out wrong? Yes



My correction - Foote would be #2 to Robertson, ahead of Sandin and the rest.


Cap space is only as valuable as what you have to spend it on. If the leafs need cap space, they are not expending a guy like Nylander to get it when they have many other options.
and yes, teams need more than one first line winger
Zacha is awful defensivly, literally every metric that exists says he is. lots of devils fans i have talked with say he is. every game i have watched (which are many) say he is. the 3 devils fans here and the people they have convinced with zero evidence other than "they watch the games" say he isnt. I think i know what side to believe.
Sandin is 100% a better prospect than foot. And even if Foote was as good a prospect as Sandin, a 1st near the 20s, sandin and a 3C who cant defend to save his life or even hit 40 points does not get you a 30+ goal 1st liner on a good contract
Sep. 25, 2020 at 4:33 p.m.
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Cap space is only as valuable as what you have to spend it on.


Yes, but it is like water. Use a lot of it, as much as you can, overuse it at times, but run out of it...and you're F^@&ed.


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Zacha is awful defensivly, literally every metric that exists says he is. lots of devils fans i have talked with say he is. every game i have watched (which are many) say he is. the 3 devils fans here and the people they have convinced with zero evidence other than "they watch the games" say he isnt. I think i know what side to believe.
Sandin is 100% a better prospect than foot. And even if Foote was as good a prospect as Sandin, a 1st near the 20s, sandin and a 3C who cant defend to save his life or even hit 40 points does not get you a 30+ goal 1st liner on a good contract


You are making that up, because nobody says this, no metrics show this and you clearly haven't watched much of him play.

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Sandin is 100% a better prospect than foot. And even if Foote was as good a prospect as Sandin, a 1st near the 20s, sandin and a 3C who cant defend to save his life or even hit 40 points does not get you a 30+ goal 1st liner on a good contract


That is your opinion and you are entitled to it.
(Also Nylander had 7 goals last year...Zacha had 13....so....how 'bout that?)
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Sep. 25, 2020 at 4:43 p.m.
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Yes, but it is like water. Use a lot of it, as much as you can, overuse it at times, but run out of it...and you're F^@&ed.

cool, the leafs havent run out of cap space. so its not an issue
and yes, the metric show it. i suggest you look them up. Also people have said it. and if you think otherwise you clearly have never watched him play
Nylander had 31 goals this year, zacha had 8




You are making that up, because nobody says this, no metrics show this and you clearly haven't watched much of him play.



That is your opinion and you are entitled to it.
(Also Nylander had 7 goals last year...Zacha had 13....so....how 'bout that?)
 
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