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Team: 2020-21 Winnipeg Jets
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 26, 2020
Published: Sep. 26, 2020
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2$775,000
1$875,000
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23$81,500,000$77,611,191$0$150,000$3,888,809
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C
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C
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C, LW, RW
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C, RW
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LW
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$2,916,667$2,916,667
C
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LD
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RD
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RD
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$150,000$150K)
LD
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RD
UFA - 1
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G
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ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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Sep. 26, 2020 at 2:59 a.m.
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Flyers going to need to add another prospect and 23rd overall this year if we realistically want to get it done.
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Sep. 26, 2020 at 3:01 a.m.
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Flyers going to need to add another prospect and 23rd overall this year if we realistically want to get it done.


Potentially. I'm also bias as the Flyers are my #2 team. IMO Sanheim is slept on and has very high upside... as much as top pairing upside. To get a top 6 center that can be immediately impactful as well as a top 3 defenseman... pretty good return in it's own
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Sep. 26, 2020 at 3:04 a.m.
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Potentially. I'm also bias as the Flyers are my #2 team. IMO Sanheim is slept on and has very high upside... as much as top pairing upside. To get a top 6 center that can be immediately impactful as well as a top 3 defenseman... pretty good return in it's own


Yeah not knocking the value here I love Sanheim. I just think it’s going to have to be a bit of an overpayment to actually get the Jets to move Laine. The rumors with the Flyers and Jets had Patrick involved. Most likely have to be Sanheim, Patrick, Frost/Farabee and a 1st (which is a beefy package idk if I would pull the trigger).
Sep. 26, 2020 at 3:33 a.m.
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Quoting: Jaycee
Flyers going to need to add another prospect and 23rd overall this year if we realistically want to get it done.


I couldn't disagree more. First thought as a Flyers fan is that we can't fit that trade under the cap but assuming we make space elsewhere I can't see us giving up Sanheim and Frost.

I guess a lot of this is based on how you view Laine. He's a very good player but, imo, not a franchise player. I think you pick one top prospect / player our first round pick and work from there. People saying 4 of Frost, Farabee, Sanheim, Patrick, and our first round pick are way off. When was the last time a real trade was that stacked for anyone?

Look at the Stone and Karlsson trades, two of the best players moved in recent times. Stone (with a new contract) was a top prospect a 2nd round pick, and a cap dump UFA. I realise the Jets have more leverage with Laine though however Stone was wanted by most the league.

Frost could certainly be the centerpiece of a Laine trade, Sanheim too (I think the value is fair, I'm not sure if the Flyers give up their second best D though). Then our first round pick. After that is probably several middle 6ers or B grade prospects.
Sep. 26, 2020 at 10:05 a.m.
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I couldn't disagree more. First thought as a Flyers fan is that we can't fit that trade under the cap but assuming we make space elsewhere I can't see us giving up Sanheim and Frost.

I guess a lot of this is based on how you view Laine. He's a very good player but, imo, not a franchise player. I think you pick one top prospect / player our first round pick and work from there. People saying 4 of Frost, Farabee, Sanheim, Patrick, and our first round pick are way off. When was the last time a real trade was that stacked for anyone?

Look at the Stone and Karlsson trades, two of the best players moved in recent times. Stone (with a new contract) was a top prospect a 2nd round pick, and a cap dump UFA. I realise the Jets have more leverage with Laine though however Stone was wanted by most the league.

Frost could certainly be the centerpiece of a Laine trade, Sanheim too (I think the value is fair, I'm not sure if the Flyers give up their second best D though). Then our first round pick. After that is probably several middle 6ers or B grade prospects.


I don’t agree with those trade comparables. Stone was 26 about to hit UFA on an expiring contract but Vegas was confident they could get an extension done. To your argument when was the last time a trade was that stacked for anyone could be flipped around to when was a 22 year old RFA controlled player with 138 Goals in his first 305 games ever traded? The answer is nobody ever. I would love for the package not to be that much and to have Laine but I guarantee IF they move him it’s going to be an absurd package from a team.
Sep. 26, 2020 at 10:53 a.m.
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I don’t agree with those trade comparables. Stone was 26 about to hit UFA on an expiring contract but Vegas was confident they could get an extension done. To your argument when was the last time a trade was that stacked for anyone could be flipped around to when was a 22 year old RFA controlled player with 138 Goals in his first 305 games ever traded? The answer is nobody ever. I would love for the package not to be that much and to have Laine but I guarantee IF they move him it’s going to be an absurd package from a team.


You’re 100% right on that, Jets know they don’t have to move him, Chevy is just doing his job listening in on offers. I agree that it likely takes Frost + Sanheim + 2020 1st. Idk how Philly values Patrick, but Jets would like getting him. Whoever pays for Laine will overpay (I hope) and that’s a good thing as it’s not easy to get a 22 year old that can score 30 goals at will and has 50 goal potential.
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Sep. 26, 2020 at 2:42 p.m.
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You’re 100% right on that, Jets know they don’t have to move him, Chevy is just doing his job listening in on offers. I agree that it likely takes Frost + Sanheim + 2020 1st. Idk how Philly values Patrick, but Jets would like getting him. Whoever pays for Laine will overpay (I hope) and that’s a good thing as it’s not easy to get a 22 year old that can score 30 goals at will and has 50 goal potential.


So hand on heart, you think the equivalent of 4 first round picks is a fair return?
Sep. 26, 2020 at 2:44 p.m.
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Winnipeg wouldn't need to kick in Niku in this deal.
Sep. 26, 2020 at 5:40 p.m.
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So hand on heart, you think the equivalent of 4 first round picks is a fair return?


You can’t use a math equation to value a trade, do we know where those picks are? Do we know how strong the drafts are? No, so I mean, I get why people do that. But you can’t evaluate a trade based on O/S compensation. I think Laine is worth Frost + Sanheim + 2020 1st. Each players value is different obviously, I just can’t say like oh Laine is worth 4 1sts cause for all we know those first could all be picks 30 and that’s not worth Laine imo, especially with a few weak drafts thrown in there. I think there are teams that can offer the right package, just have to figure out who’s willing to pay that price.
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Sep. 27, 2020 at 3:38 a.m.
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You can’t use a math equation to value a trade, do we know where those picks are? Do we know how strong the drafts are? No, so I mean, I get why people do that. But you can’t evaluate a trade based on O/S compensation. I think Laine is worth Frost + Sanheim + 2020 1st. Each players value is different obviously, I just can’t say like oh Laine is worth 4 1sts cause for all we know those first could all be picks 30 and that’s not worth Laine imo, especially with a few weak drafts thrown in there. I think there are teams that can offer the right package, just have to figure out who’s willing to pay that price.


Fair enough. It was more for illustrative purposes, especially for those saying it would need to be 4 pieces made from top first round picks.

Laine is valuable no doubt but some of the suggestions, to me, are very rich. Like the type of value we've not seen in recent memory. I understand that Winnipeg has negotiating power here but they also have holes that need to be addressed.
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Sep. 27, 2020 at 11:33 a.m.
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Fair enough. It was more for illustrative purposes, especially for those saying it would need to be 4 pieces made from top first round picks.

Laine is valuable no doubt but some of the suggestions, to me, are very rich. Like the type of value we've not seen in recent memory. I understand that Winnipeg has negotiating power here but they also have holes that need to be addressed.


Think about this, when was the last time a 22 year ld player that still has team control, who’s scored 138 goals in 237 games been traded?? I can’t remember that happening for a long time. I know that the Jets know they don’t have to move Laine, and they’ve set the price very high. It makes sense, to get a guy that young that’s under team control and can score that many goals as easily as he can, there’s no doubt you’d have to pay a stupidly high price to get him. You’d have to pry him off the team, give Chevy an offer he can’t resist.
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Sep. 28, 2020 at 5:13 a.m.
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Think about this, when was the last time a 22 year ld player that still has team control, who’s scored 138 goals in 237 games been traded?? I can’t remember that happening for a long time. I know that the Jets know they don’t have to move Laine, and they’ve set the price very high. It makes sense, to get a guy that young that’s under team control and can score that many goals as easily as he can, there’s no doubt you’d have to pay a stupidly high price to get him. You’d have to pry him off the team, give Chevy an offer he can’t resist.


I get that. I really do. But that does bend both ways. I'm not saying Winnipeg has to move him, or the Chevy has to take any old offer. What I'm saying is that there are holes in the Winnipeg roster that need addressing (urgently?) and as such not addressing them is arguably a bigger mistake is than holding out for a massive overpayment to turn up. You have to strike while the iron is hot. Where would the team finish without a Vezina (and 6th place Hart) season from Hellebuyck? You don't sell Laine cheap, obviously, but do you stand pat if you don't get the 'offer you can't refuse' instead of the best offer than helps the team be better overall?
Sep. 28, 2020 at 8:07 a.m.
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I get that. I really do. But that does bend both ways. I'm not saying Winnipeg has to move him, or the Chevy has to take any old offer. What I'm saying is that there are holes in the Winnipeg roster that need addressing (urgently?) and as such not addressing them is arguably a bigger mistake is than holding out for a massive overpayment to turn up. You have to strike while the iron is hot. Where would the team finish without a Vezina (and 6th place Hart) season from Hellebuyck? You don't sell Laine cheap, obviously, but do you stand pat if you don't get the 'offer you can't refuse' instead of the best offer than helps the team be better overall?


Yeah you do stand pat imo, Chevy cannot make a deal for Laine that could end badly or it’ll cost him his job. It makes more sense for him to patch the team with Dillon, DeMelo and Haula than to move Laine for a package that isn’t exactly what you want.
 
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