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I was told there is a Holl to jersey rumour but I dont see it

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I guess it related to zacha or Severson but is Holl all that interesting to a team like Jersey?
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Sep. 28, 2020 at 1:42 p.m.
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Holl is a more expensive Carrick. They have no need for a RD
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Sep. 28, 2020 at 1:42 p.m.
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I don’t see why New Jersey would want Holl. They don’t need him.
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Sep. 28, 2020 at 1:43 p.m.
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They just signed Holl to an extension. Toronto has no intention of moving him.
Sep. 28, 2020 at 1:52 p.m.
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Holl/Muzzin worked well for Toronto, no?

I think “the rumor” is beat writers just coming up with ideas to fill their columns. The Leafs guy and Devils guy on the Athletic have exchanged possible trades. (Leafs guy said Dermott plus two picks, Devils guy said Dermott, Sandin and Liljegren). I have seen another blogger suggest it. But I haven’t seen anything that would suggest it’s more than speculation.
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Sep. 28, 2020 at 1:52 p.m.
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Quoting: MitchMarner_16
Holl is a more expensive Carrick. They have no need for a RD


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I don’t see why New Jersey would want Holl. They don’t need him.


As I said I don't really get it. But wanted to try it out anyway.

They seem to have a lot of okay #5-7 NHL defenseman.
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Sep. 28, 2020 at 1:53 p.m.
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Holl/Muzzin worked well for Toronto, no?

I think “the rumor” is beat writers just coming up with ideas to fill their columns. The Leafs guy and Devils guy on the Athletic have exchanged possible trades. (Leafs guy said Dermott plus two picks, Devils guy said Dermott, Sandin and Liljegren). I have seen another blogger suggest it. But I haven’t seen anything that would suggest it’s more than speculation.


Thank you for clarifying. And yes muzzin Holl works in my opinion

Who was the trade for?
Sep. 28, 2020 at 1:55 p.m.
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Thank you for clarifying. And yes muzzin Holl works in my opinion

Who was the trade for?


Those two best writers’ trades were for Severson.
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Sep. 28, 2020 at 2:02 p.m.
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It sounds like Montour is going to walk. I don't think Buffalo is going to qualify him. They have no need to anyway when their RHD is already stacked.
Sep. 28, 2020 at 2:07 p.m.
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Love to downgrade my 3c spot and add at the same time
Sep. 28, 2020 at 2:19 p.m.
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
Holl/Muzzin worked well for Toronto, no?


He did for a bit ig, we have a lot of better d to replace him anyways, no need
Sep. 28, 2020 at 3:37 p.m.
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Love to downgrade my 3c spot and add at the same time


I like Zacha, if nothing else he is over 1 million cheaper than Kerfoot and a little younger (I believe RFA at the end of his contract). So there is value there. But also why do you say downgrade? I see NJD willing to trade him as they have numerous bottom 6 c's and have cap room, we don't.
Sep. 28, 2020 at 3:37 p.m.
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It sounds like Montour is going to walk. I don't think Buffalo is going to qualify him. They have no need to anyway when their RHD is already stacked.


Thats just ****ty asset management, I don't see why they don't qualify him and at worst trade him for a 3rd
Sep. 28, 2020 at 4:09 p.m.
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I like Zacha, if nothing else he is over 1 million cheaper than Kerfoot and a little younger (I believe RFA at the end of his contract). So there is value there. But also why do you say downgrade? I see NJD willing to trade him as they have numerous bottom 6 c's and have cap room, we don't.


Zacha is just horrendous defensively. Like bottom of the league. For some reason he has a rep as being good around here and it's mystifying
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Sep. 28, 2020 at 4:14 p.m.
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Zacha is just horrendous defensively. Like bottom of the league. For some reason he has a rep as being good around here and it's mystifying


Huh. I was always under the impression he was a good two way/defensive center. His numbers for his zone starts are fine if not good and I've never watched him much
Sep. 28, 2020 at 4:42 p.m.
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
Zacha is just horrendous defensively. Like bottom of the league. For some reason he has a rep as being good around here and it's mystifying


He has a great reputation for his defensive ability because.....he is good defensively

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Huh. I was always under the impression he was a good two way/defensive center. His numbers for his zone starts are fine if not good and I've never watched him much


Jared of London is the only person who says this...and its strange because he is standing on an island here.
Sep. 28, 2020 at 4:52 p.m.
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He has a great reputation for his defensive ability because.....he is good defensively



Jared of London is the only person who says this...and its strange because he is standing on an island here.


Lol, keep buying that bill of goods, hes bad and you've drank the koolaid
Sep. 28, 2020 at 4:59 p.m.
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Lol, keep buying that bill of goods, hes bad and you've drank the koolaid


Until you start presenting some evidence, stats, anything that reaffirms your view...I have no reason to change mine.
Sep. 28, 2020 at 5:07 p.m.
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He has a great reputation for his defensive ability because.....he is good defensively



Jared of London is the only person who says this...and its strange because he is standing on an island here.


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Lol, keep buying that bill of goods, hes bad and you've drank the koolaid


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Until you start presenting some evidence, stats, anything that reaffirms your view...I have no reason to change mine.


Interesting, NHLfan do you have evidence that he IS good defensively?

There certainly are players who have that rep who aren't good, like Bozak
Sep. 28, 2020 at 5:23 p.m.
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Until you start presenting some evidence, stats, anything that reaffirms your view...I have no reason to change mine.


You first
Sep. 28, 2020 at 6:09 p.m.
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Interesting, NHLfan do you have evidence that he IS good defensively?

There certainly are players who have that rep who aren't good, like Bozak


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You first


Google it. Here is what you'll find. He is inconsistent/streaky offensively, great at PK, solid defensively, bad at faceoffs, played all three forward positions, played all four lines, never used on pp, spent better part of year and half in Hynes' doghouse, even sent to AHL for stint last year, got better with Naserdine, has different off/def rates at wing and center, hole in his game is still his positioning (both on off/def), has underused shot, and has been whipping boy for NJ media for last few years, got into tiff with Hall at one point, but is well-liked by teammates, misses pickles.

Read up on him, watch the tape...NJD not looking to trade him...Leafs fans went to NJD to acquire him.
Sep. 28, 2020 at 6:13 p.m.
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Google it. Here is what you'll find. He is inconsistent/streaky offensively, great at PK, solid defensively, bad at faceoffs, played all three forward positions, played all four lines, never used on pp, spent better part of year and half in Hynes' doghouse, even sent to AHL for stint last year, got better with Naserdine, has different off/def rates at wing and center, hole in his game is still his positioning (both on off/def), has underused shot, and has been whipping boy for NJ media for last few years, got into tiff with Hall at one point, but is well-liked by teammates, misses pickles.

Read up on him, watch the tape...NJD not looking to trade him...Leafs fans went to NJD to acquire him.



lol, that's what i thought. you got nothing because when you google his stats they are awful.
Sep. 28, 2020 at 7:24 p.m.
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lol, that's what i thought. you got nothing because when you google his stats they are awful.


NJD are a bad team, Most of their players have bad stats. And we were talking defense anyway.

It was your charge. You provide the evidence.
Sep. 28, 2020 at 7:36 p.m.
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NJD are a bad team, Most of their players have bad stats. And we were talking defense anyway.

It was your charge. You provide the evidence.


you have not provided a single stat or bit of evidence and it's my turn? Not gonna fly, Hoss.
Sep. 28, 2020 at 7:38 p.m.
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you have not provided a single stat or bit of evidence and it's my turn? Not gonna fly, Hoss.


I don’t have to. People agree with me.
Sep. 28, 2020 at 7:39 p.m.
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I don’t have to. People agree with me.


so, you have nothing. gotcha.
 
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