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Created by: TheWolfe

Team: 2020-21 Detroit Red Wings

Initial Creation Date: Sep. 29, 2020

Published: Sep. 29, 2020

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

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So in this hypothetical scenario, ANA moves a contract to DET to free up cap space much like the Staal trade. Detroit then flips the player to OTT with 50% salary retention in return for an LTIR contract and swap late 1st and early 2nd round picks for the trouble.

My question is does this trade help Ottawa in:

A) Real money as Gudbranson's salary this year is $3M and Gáborík's is $3.075M but I do not know if his contract is insured.

B) Cap money as I don't think OTT is over the threshold to get LTIR relief from Gáborík's contract. Obviously retaining on Gudbranson's deal gets them further from the cap floor, but in this case they'd be trading dead money for a player who can still take the ice.

Thanks for any info and have a great day!

Trades

DET

Gudbranson, Erik
2020 2nd round pick (ANA)

ANA

Future Considerations

DET

Gáborík, Marián
2020 1st round pick (NYI)

OTT

Gudbranson, Erik ($2,000,000 retained)
2020 2nd round pick (DET)

Buyouts

Stephen Weiss: $1,666,667

Retained Salary Transactions

Erik Gudbranson: $2,000,000 (50%)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2020
2021
2022

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
16	$81,500,000	$59,500,000	$0	$0	$22,000,000

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Abdelkader, Justin $4,250,000$4,250,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 3	Larkin, Dylan $6,100,000$6,100,000 C UFA - 3	Gáborík, Marián $4,875,000$4,875,000 RW UFA - 1
Fabbri, Robby $2,950,000$2,950,000 LW UFA - 2	Zetterberg, Henrik $6,083,333$6,083,333 C UFA - 1
	Nielsen, Frans $5,250,000$5,250,000 C, LW M-NTC UFA - 2
	Helm, Darren $3,850,000$3,850,000 C, LW, RW UFA - 1
	Filppula, Valtteri $3,000,000$3,000,000 C, LW M-NTC UFA - 1
	Glendening, Luke $1,800,000$1,800,000 C, RW, LW UFA - 1
	Gagner, Sam $850,000$850,000 RW, C UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Staal, Marc $5,700,000$5,700,000 LD NMC UFA - 1	Biega, Alex $875,000$875,000 RD UFA - 1	Bernier, Jonathan $3,000,000$3,000,000 G UFA - 1
DeKeyser, Danny $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 2		Pickard, Calvin $750,000$750,000 G UFA - 1
Nemeth, Patrik $1,500,000$1,500,000 LD UFA - 1

Sep. 29, 2020 at 1:35 p.m.

Salzy

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Ducks tell Yzerman to f off, Guddy was really solid in ANA, easily worth 4M for a team that doesnt need to shed cap, especially at the cost of any asset let alone the 36OA pick

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Sep. 29, 2020 at 1:38 p.m.

TheWolfe

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NoCupsForCanada

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Quoting: Salzy

Ducks tell Yzerman to f off, Guddy was really solid in ANA, easily worth 4M for a team that doesnt need to shed cap, especially at the cost of any asset let alone the 36OA pick

Not what I was asking for but thanks for your input

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Sep. 29, 2020 at 1:40 p.m.

Salzy

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Quoting: TheWolfe

Not what I was asking for but thanks for your input

Well seeing how the whole thread hinges on that trade I would say its necessary

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Sep. 29, 2020 at 1:42 p.m.

MelonVK

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Anaheim would never pay you to take on that contract. Ottawa might do a deal to swap Gaborik for somebody making similar money / cap who can actually play, but that would benefit the other team and is something they would get a return, rather than paying, for.

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Sep. 29, 2020 at 1:43 p.m.

TheWolfe

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NoCupsForCanada

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My Kingdom for someone who would answer the question(s) asked.

Also, trade thread on the move that landed him in Anaheim seems to imply he's a boat anchor https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/279698

Sep. 29, 2020 at 1:47 p.m.

TheWolfe

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NoCupsForCanada

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Quoting: MelonVK

Then insert Kris Russell if that's what you're hung up on. The original trade isn't the point of the thread. As if it wasn't completely predictable that posters on here would get hung up on the wrong thing though

Sep. 29, 2020 at 1:49 p.m.

Salzy

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Quoting: TheWolfe

That fails to account for how he played in ANA, which was very well. He is hardly an anchor, especially on a rebuilding team, Ducks could easily get something back for him, and they surely wouldnt need to pay to move him

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Sep. 29, 2020 at 1:52 p.m.

CallingOutHomers

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Quoting: TheWolfe

Answer your question with this question,

Why does Detroit even need to be involved here?

Gudbranson has a $4M cap hit and $3M in salary due.

Ottawa can take it directly as they have to meet the cap floor, and LTIR Gaborik, paying him a big fat $0.

So what advantage does Ottawa have for being involved in this?

Sep. 29, 2020 at 2:25 p.m.

MelonVK

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Quoting: TheWolfe

Yeah and I'm poking a hole into that idea, because Ottawa would want a return, not pay a pick, for exchanging the Gaborik contract for an active player on a poor contract.

Sep. 29, 2020 at 3:00 p.m.

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PLDGEY

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OTT declines.

Melnyk loves the Gaborik contract.

Not going to pay to get rid of it

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